Why have we heard nothing about Wilfork?

[Brady6]

Do you think about ripping on DA and KA when you play with yourself?

No but I think about you getting all angry and it just gets me going...

 

[Ivan]

My bad, I thought this was a thread about Wilfork, I should have realized that every thread is about Amendola.

 

[Bruins29]

So why are you willing to pay Amendola for what he did to help win the Super Bowl?

First lets get something clear. What do YOU THINK I am "willing" to pay DA?

Your fallacy needs to be addressed first before we have even a semblance of a intelligent conversation.

 

[Bruins29]

No but I think about you getting all angry and it just gets me going...

Huh? Says the guy who has to bring up KA and DA in every thread and make up crap when he knows he is spewing ********

And even if I was getting angry, its certainly better than being the boards, crybaby/Rain Man/OCD/liar.

 

[Ivan]

No but I think about you getting all angry and it just gets me going...

So not only are you deliberately trying to piss another poster off but you are doing it in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with your Danny Amendola agenda.

If you want to grind your axe start a thread about it, don't turn every other thread into your soapbox.

 

[Marinlik]

Were you watching the same Amendola and Arrington I was the last 2 seasons? Same theory applies to them. You are stuck on a number (age) but real factor is talent level. If you ask me Wilfork is still far more talented at his position at his age than Amendola or Arrington are at their position(s) at their age(s).

And I really disagree when it comes to Arrington. I think he's a better slot corner right now than Wilfork is a DT/NT.

You where the one who even brought up the age numbers. You are the one that's stuck to them. You are also the one who's so obsessed about hating Amendola that you bring him up in every reply to me, even when I only talk about Arrington.

 

[Marinlik]

Wilfork played last season on an incentive based contract and earned every incentive, that is the epitome of earning your pay. He also managed to be on the field over 75% of the defensive snaps despite the fact that they spent the majority of their time in sub packages, which means he was also the most versatile DT on their roster. I can understand people wanting Wilfork to restructure to help the team but anyone claiming he didn't have a good season is just making things up and didn't actually pay attention to his play. It's a popular meme but it isn't true.

I watched him play. I focused on him a lot. I didn't think he was that good. He couldn't push the pocket on passes like he has before. He really struggled with that. He struggled with getting separation from his OL, often resulting in being a split second to late in getting to the runner, which meant that the runner could either slip out of the tackle or drag Vince for a few yards. He really didn't look close to his old self. He wasnt the force on the DL that he has been before.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re-watched the Ravens & Colts games with some focus on Wilfy.
He's not the player he was nor should we expect him to be. He did command a double team a few times but my concern was how several times young OGs would take him out of the play completely. Maybe he'll be better in 2015 with another year healed but I believe that age for a BIG guy will be more of a negative factor. I don't see him being worth anything close to $8.5 million in 2015 and will be surprised if he gets paid his bonus. Hate to see this as he's one of my favs, but cap$ and laundry rules.

 

[Ivan]

I watched him play. I focused on him a lot. I didn't think he was that good. He couldn't push the pocket on passes like he has before. He really struggled with that. He struggled with getting separation from his OL, often resulting in being a split second to late in getting to the runner, which meant that the runner could either slip out of the tackle or drag Vince for a few yards. He really didn't look close to his old self. He wasnt the force on the DL that he has been before.

I don't think he was as explosive as he was when he was 28 but I think we have to understand what was being asked of him and more often than not that was to tie up two OL not to get after the passer. He also played pretty much every position on the line and was key for them when they went to two man DL. And I really don't understand how anyone can say he didn't earn his pay when it was incentive based and he met every incentive, that's the definition of earning your pay. Again, I can understand people wanting him to restructure but I definitely take issue with those claiming he didn't earn his pay and didn't play well when he clearly did both.

 

[Ivan]

To be clear about this, I think Wilfork should restructure to a 4-5 million a season deal for the next season or two I just take issue with people suggesting he is just a jag and didn't earn his pay, it was incentive based so he really did earn every cent of it.

 

[luuked]

My bad, I thought this was a thread about Wilfork, I should have realized that every thread is about Amendola.

Given a certain amount of time all threads degenerate to Brady6 talking about Amendola. This is the order of things.

 

[Brady6]

So not only are you deliberately trying to piss another poster off but you are doing it in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with your Danny Amendola agenda.

If you want to grind your axe start a thread about it, don't turn every other thread into your soapbox.

Nah I just firmly believe stupid questions deserve stupid answers...

 

[Ivan]

Re-watched the Ravens & Colts games with some focus on Wilfy.
He's not the player he was nor should we expect him to be. He did command a double team a few times but my concern was how several times young OGs would take him out of the play completely. Maybe he'll be better in 2015 with another year healed but I believe that age for a BIG guy will be more of a negative factor. I don't see him being worth anything close to $8.5 million in 2015 and will be surprised if he gets paid his bonus. Hate to see this as he's one of my favs, but cap$ and laundry rules.

I agree on having him restructure, and I will understand it completely if they can't agree on a new deal and release him, I think he would find that no team is going to give him more than 4 million and he would find his best deal in NE. Hopefully they can find common ground but at this point I think the Patriots have treated him with respect and that's really all you can ask for.

 

[Ivan]

Nah I just firmly believe stupid questions deserve stupid answers...

In which case you are definitely the person to go to.

 

[Marinlik]

I don't think he was as explosive as he was when he was 28 but I think we have to understand what was being asked of him and more often than not that was to tie up two OL not to get after the passer. He also played pretty much every position on the line and was key for them when they went to two man DL. And I really don't understand how anyone can say he didn't earn his pay when it was incentive based and he met every incentive, that's the definition of earning your pay. Again, I can understand people wanting him to restructure but I definitely take issue with those claiming he didn't earn his pay and didn't play well when he clearly did both.

On pass rushes he often got held up by one guy. The OL was able to single team him much more then what was possible in 2012 and before, both on run and pass. That was a death sentence to offenses a few years ago, but not today.

I think that he earned his pay for 2014. He played enough snaps to earn all his incentives. He allowed us to play a versitile D by playing all over the line and he made some really nice plays. But that doesn't mean he has earned a single cent for 2015, or should get payed payed for 2015 to give him even more for his 2014 services as one guy I responded to said. If he was a free agent, not named Wilfork, then I don't think anyone would pay even close to the $8M he's getting this year for the level of play he displayed last year. Because that's above average DT pay, and he wasn't an above average DT last year.

 

[Brady6]

And I really disagree when it comes to Arrington. I think he's a better slot corner right now than Wilfork is a DT/NT.

You where the one who even brought up the age numbers. You are the one that's stuck to them. You are also the one who's so obsessed about hating Amendola that you bring him up in every reply to me, even when I only talk about Arrington.

Well I'm talking about Amendola and Arrington because they have rather large cap hits and I feel we would be fine without either of them.

That whole you hate Amendola things is so ****ing old at this point, you and some of the others ignore any logic and just lob out that BS accusation to add merit to your nonsense. Grow up, nobody hates Amendola I have said several times he performed well in the playoffs and I would welcome him back but not at the expense of Wilfork or one of our other top players.

 

[Brady6]

In which case you are definitely the person to go to.

Why are you talking to me?

 

[Marinlik]

Well I'm talking about Amendola and Arrington because they have rather large cap hits and I feel we would be fine without either of them.

That whole you hate Amendola things is so ****ing old at this point, you and some of the others ignore any logic and just lob out that BS accusation to add merit to your nonsense. Grow up, nobody hates Amendola I have said several times he performed well in the playoffs and I would welcome him back but not at the expense of Wilfork or one of our other top players.

Arrington doesn't have a large cap hit. I think his cap is reasonable for a starting player of his caliber on the defense. His skills are what allows us to gameplan away speedy slot receivers.

You are obsessed with Amendola. I never said a single word about him, not one. I only argued about Arrington without ever touching on Amendola. Yet you continue to bring up Amendola in every reply to me, as if I had spoken to great lengths about his greatness. You are truly obsessed with Amendola, as you have to continue to bring him up in replys and threads and say how much he sucks, where no one is even mentioning him.

 

[Ivan]

On pass rushes he often got held up by one guy. The OL was able to single team him much more then what was possible in 2012 and before, both on run and pass. That was a death sentence to offenses a few years ago, but not today.

I think that he earned his pay for 2014. He played enough snaps to earn all his incentives. He allowed us to play a versitile D by playing all over the line and he made some really nice plays. But that doesn't mean he has earned a single cent for 2015, or should get payed payed for 2015 to give him even more for his 2014 services as one guy I responded to said. If he was a free agent, not named Wilfork, then I don't think anyone would pay even close to the $8M he's getting this year for the level of play he displayed last year. Because that's above average DT pay, and he wasn't an above average DT last year.

I think he played pretty good but agree that means nothing for 2015. At this point he is a 4-5 million $ player. Ultimately this could end up like Mankins where he is willing to take a pay cut but not as much as the Patriots want, which in this case will mean a release.

 

[Ivan]

Why are you talking to me?

Because you are once again dragging your idiotic agenda into a thread where it doesn't belong. And you are doing so despite being told to cut the sh.t by moderators on numerous occasions. Everyone is sick of it so once again, cut the sh.t. start your own I hate Danny Amendola thread and stop trying to turn every thread into one.