Excellent Garoppolo article

[Fencer]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...919_1_jimmy-garoppolo-quarterback-urban-meyer

An article from when he was in college (courtesy of Wikipedia). His quarterback guru loved him then too.

Urban Meyer saw him on film and was very impressed.

The previous record-setting QBs at his college were Tony Romo and Sean Payton.

 

[patfanken]

Some comments on the comments

1. I think people should be happy that Garapolo, at this point, looks like the best QB BB has drafted in the Brady era. In other words a QB would actually might HAVE some trade value down the road.

2. From what we heard, its fairly clear that had he come out THIS year he'd have been a strong #3 in the QB rankings with Winston and Marriota, and very likely a first round pick. I'm not sure if that says more about the state of this year's QB class, than Jimmy's skills.

3. All that being said, he's still a year away from being ready to run an NFL offense....and more likely 2.

4. It should be noted that Bret Farve AFTER he left the Packers had a very good year going with the Jets until he got hurt, and a GREAT one with the Vikes. Yet getting rid of him was clearly the right thing to do for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers, who spent 3 years watching before he got his shot.

5. BTW- ever wonder how Aaron Rodgers career might have gone IF he'd been the #1 pick or went to a team that was forced to start him right away? I wonder if it would have been as successful without those years of sitting on the bench.

6. There is NO chance that Jimmy Garapolo is going to be as good as Tom Brady. That's a ridiculous assumption. We should just be hoping that he's a good NFL QB and as good or better than Tom Brady at 40. Because if he is, then he will either be running the Pats offense in 2017, or be running someone else's offense because he was traded. Both those outcomes are good ones.

7. Finally, none of this matters much, because Jimmy Garapolo isn't going to see any significant time on the field other than TC, (barring injury) for the next TWO years.....and THAT's a good thing too.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Look, Brady6, you very clearly are stating that keeping Brady until he retires, even if it means 1-2 years of hurting the team, is paramount.

Heck, keeping Brady until he retires could easily mean hurting the team a lot more than "1-2 years" if keeping him until he retires means losing the person you felt would be a pretty good starter for you for quite a few years.

Go ask the team with the spherical ball who dresses in white and green about what can happen when you put keeping people until they retire over the quality of the team.

 

[carmelo15]

Some of you will explode if you think we keep a 40 year old Brady over garoppolo. Of Garoppolo is that good in 2-3 years we better hope Brady just goes out on top. Even Brady's dad knows that it will end ugly if Brady wants to play into his 40s.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Early this season, people were talking about Peyton Manning as if he could easily go another three to five years. Does anyone really think that now?

Heck, you could argue that Brandon Weeden's awfulness is the reason the Cowboys didn't have HFA, despite going 12–4 (same as Seattle and Green Bay).

Manning has lost velocity on his throws as the season went on the last two years.

Brady does not have that problem & many people say he is performing at a higher level in 2014, than the prior couple years.

Does Brady look like he is declining to you?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Yes, because Brady will be 38 next season and is not immortal despite exceptional durability to date. Also because Garoppolo appears to be his heir apparent.

I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion.

I doubt the Patriots are seriously entertaining that idea. How are you linking Vince with Brady?

I was just curios...
There seems to be a lot of people who feel we owe Vince for past performance.

We agree on Wilfork
Thanks for answering & I respect your opinion.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Manning has lost velocity on his throws as the season went on the last two years.

Brady does not have that problem & many people say he is performing at a higher level in 2014, than the prior couple years.

Does Brady look like he is declining to you?

That's not my point. My point is that even if he looks great now, there's no way to predict the future. Not how long he'll play, or even that he'll be available for every game next season.

I believe you would have almost zero takers on this board if, back in March 2008, you offered 50-to-1 odds that Matt Cassel would start the majority of games that year.

 

[Wheelman]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...919_1_jimmy-garoppolo-quarterback-urban-meyer

An article from when he was in college (courtesy of Wikipedia). His quarterback guru loved him then too.

Urban Meyer saw him on film and was very impressed.

The previous record-setting QBs at his college were Tony Romo and Sean Payton.

Nice article! This is my favourite quote

"There was no bragging in my house. Acting that way wasn't right. Nobody wants to be around anybody who's arrogant.''

I like humble people.

 

[Fencer]

I like humble people.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

That's not my point. My point is that even if he looks great now, there's no way to predict the future. Not how long he'll play, or even that he'll be available for every game next season.

I believe you would have almost zero takers on this board if, back in March 2008, you offered 50-to-1 odds that Matt Cassel would start the majority of games that year.

Yeah & some people thought we should have received a 1st round pick for Cassel.
Cassel did a good job in 2008, but over time proved to be nothing more than a backup.
I have not seen enough from Jimmy G to give him the keys to the kingdom.

I expect Brady to play the next 3 season, and then Jimmy G's contract will be up.
In 2018 do we offer Jimmy G big money and kick Brady to the curb, if Brady is still playing good at age 40
and wants to continue? Do we give Jimmy G a big contract after 4 years, when all he had accomplished
is preseason play and the fact he never dropped the clipboard?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Since we don't know the future, Joe, there's an "insurance" aspect to the Jimmy G pick. If the brain trust thinks he'll be ready to go, he sure doesn't get a superstar contract to stay, but it's as viable to give him a middle-class contract laden with "what if" incentives as it is to go back to square 1. And he won't be in position to argue any more than future (possible) value. If somebody else wants to outbid for him, they will be doing so based primarily on pre-season play and the facts that the Pats picked him. I'm not saying they won't. I'm saying we don't know where we'll be in 3 years. But I do like Jimmy G as insurance and I do like Jimmy G as eventual successor.

I think one thing could take some of the pressure off... another ring for Brady in SB 50.

 

[Brady6]

Heck, keeping Brady until he retires could easily mean hurting the team a lot more than "1-2 years" if keeping him until he retires means losing the person you felt would be a pretty good starter for you for quite a few years.

Go ask the team with the spherical ball who dresses in white and green about what can happen when you put keeping people until they retire over the quality of the team.

Yeah because Brady is so hard up for money that he needs to play football, and so uncompetitive he would not care if he could not perform at a high level. For someone who came on the page like a 12 year old girl and made sure you gave every post I made in here a negative rating you seem awful clueless about the QB we have been watching for the past 14 years.

It is going to be a real sad day for a lot of you when you realize that this team is one of the best in the NFL every year because Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL or one of them every year. Look around the NFL, how often are Manning, Rodgers, Luck, etc. not in the playoffs? I do not know if it is just being ignorant and naive or if you are just delusional but this belief that there will ever be a period in the career of Tom Brady that Jimmy Garoppolo is a better QB is so far from a reality you would need a space shuttle to get to it. When Brady is gone and the team falls to 9-7 and 10-6 with first round exits from the playoffs, just remember you were all supportive and excited for that day.

One more thing, take a look at the players taken in the second round higher than Garoppolo over the past few years:

Ras-I Dowling
Tavon Wilson
Aaron Dobson

But you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that we could not find a starting caliber safety or WR but we nailed it on the heir apparent to Tom Brady and this team is going to be a SB contender with Garoppolo without question so let's just get that old hag Tom Brady out of the way already.

Now go right ahead and give this post a negative rating because it reminded you of reality and reality bothers you A LOT.

 

[Brady6]

Oh I would add that Belichick trading or releasing players such as:

Lawyer Milloy
Richard Seymour
Logan Mankins
Wes Welker

Is the same as releasing a sure fire HOF, GOAT QB who has led your franchise to 6 AFC Championships and 4 SB Championships, you are even further from reality than a space shuttle could get too.

On that note I am done with this thread because I am tired of listening to a bunch of wishful thinkers tell me why I am wrong for wanting to stick with the greatest QB ever for as long as possible.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Unlike you I am a fan of the team first, not the player first.

If, when the time comes to fish or cut bait with Grop, NE believes he will be a capable starter for quite a few years and also believes Brady only has a couple of years left, then yes, I want them to give Brady a nice press conference and move on. And so should anyone who is a fan of the PATRIOTS.

 

[Marinlik]

Yeah because Brady is so hard up for money that he needs to play football, and so uncompetitive he would not care if he could not perform at a high level. For someone who came on the page like a 12 year old girl and made sure you gave every post I made in here a negative rating you seem awful clueless about the QB we have been watching for the past 14 years.

It is going to be a real sad day for a lot of you when you realize that this team is one of the best in the NFL every year because Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL or one of them every year. Look around the NFL, how often are Manning, Rodgers, Luck, etc. not in the playoffs? I do not know if it is just being ignorant and naive or if you are just delusional but this belief that there will ever be a period in the career of Tom Brady that Jimmy Garoppolo is a better QB is so far from a reality you would need a space shuttle to get to it. When Brady is gone and the team falls to 9-7 and 10-6 with first round exits from the playoffs, just remember you were all supportive and excited for that day.

One more thing, take a look at the players taken in the second round higher than Garoppolo over the past few years:

Ras-I Dowling
Tavon Wilson
Aaron Dobson

But you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that we could not find a starting caliber safety or WR but we nailed it on the heir apparent to Tom Brady and this team is going to be a SB contender with Garoppolo without question so let's just get that old hag Tom Brady out of the way already.

Now go right ahead and give this post a negative rating because it reminded you of reality and reality bothers you A LOT.

What's happened to you man? We had this conversation months ago, in that thread you went back and looked at Garoppolo play and you said that you where out of line and that Garoppolo might very well become a good QB. Now you've turned a complete 180.

 

[Brady6]

What's happened to you man? We had this conversation months ago, in that thread you went back and looked at Garoppolo play and you said that you where out of line and that Garoppolo might very well become a good QB. Now you've turned a complete 180.

Not at all, I think Garoppolo has a chance to be a good QB. There are many good QBs in the NFL. Brady is a once in a generation QB, that is very different. As far as my attitude, well I guess I would have thought that the talk of Brady’s demise would be at least tabled for the offseason considering he did just win a Super Bowl.

Let me ask you this, do you think there will be a period in Brady’s career when Ryan Trannehill is a better option as a starting QB?

 

[Brady6]

Unlike you I am a fan of the team first, not the player first.

If, when the time comes to fish or cut bait with Grop, NE believes he will be a capable starter for quite a few years and also believes Brady only has a couple of years left, then yes, I want them to give Brady a nice press conference and move on. And so should anyone who is a fan of the PATRIOTS.

I am a fan of the team first, and feel it is important to the legacy of the team, and this dynasty period that Tom Brady finish his career as a member of this team. It is bigger than wins and losses, it is about the greatest QB ever playing X of years for our franchise and retire. Not we ran the greatest QB ever out of town so we could have Jimmy Garoppolo lead us to a 10-6 season and a wild card playoff berth.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If you think Grop has a chance to be a good QB then your desire to throw him aside to squeeze a last year or two out of Brady makes even less sense than it already did.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Some comments on the comments

1. I think people should be happy that Garapolo, at this point, looks like the best QB BB has drafted in the Brady era. In other words a QB would actually might HAVE some trade value down the road.

2. From what we heard, its fairly clear that had he come out THIS year he'd have been a strong #3 in the QB rankings with Winston and Marriota, and very likely a first round pick. I'm not sure if that says more about the state of this year's QB class, than Jimmy's skills.

3. All that being said, he's still a year away from being ready to run an NFL offense....and more likely 2.

4. It should be noted that Bret Farve AFTER he left the Packers had a very good year going with the Jets until he got hurt, and a GREAT one with the Vikes. Yet getting rid of him was clearly the right thing to do for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers, who spent 3 years watching before he got his shot.

5. BTW- ever wonder how Aaron Rodgers career might have gone IF he'd been the #1 pick or went to a team that was forced to start him right away? I wonder if it would have been as successful without those years of sitting on the bench.

6. There is NO chance that Jimmy Garapolo is going to be as good as Tom Brady. That's a ridiculous assumption. We should just be hoping that he's a good NFL QB and as good or better than Tom Brady at 40. Because if he is, then he will either be running the Pats offense in 2017, or be running someone else's offense because he was traded. Both those outcomes are good ones.

7. Finally, none of this matters much, because Jimmy Garapolo isn't going to see any significant time on the field other than TC, (barring injury) for the next TWO years.....and THAT's a good thing too.

My only contention is point #3.

BB named Garoppolo the backup for a reason. BB isn't Dungy. He isn't going to have a Sorgi/Painter backup Brady.

Now to on the field play:

1. He tore up the preseason and looked the part and then some in all 4 games. If it weren't for Boyce, Jimmy G would have had a pretty good day vs. the starting Giants defense early in preseason game 4.

2. He came in the KC game prepared and went down the field for a TD vs. soft zone in garbage time. Not every QB can do this, especially a rookie that "isn't ready."

3. Most of all, he showed some good things vs. a top 3-5 defense in week 17 without Gronk and Edelman. Considering neither Brady or Jimmy G had a chance that day without those two vs. that D (Brady had his second lowest QBR of the season), he didn't look lost out there.

From what we've seen, he looks ready IMO now to be a starter in this league. He progressed immensely from TC last July.

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If anything happened to Brady injury wise, I think we could still be superbowl contenders given the state of the AFC. Gronk/Edelman match Jimmy G's strengths well. Also, as we saw against Buffalo, McDaniels would use the playbook to his strengths with more rollouts and sprinkling in some zone read plays.

I know I'm a big fan of his, but I didn't see anything to suggest he isn't ready to start in case of emergency (Unlike Mallett who showed clear signs of not being ready).

 

[Brady6]

If you think Grop has a chance to be a good QB then your desire to throw him aside to squeeze a last year or two out of Brady makes even less sense than it already did.

I think there will be other QBs that we can take in 2016 and 2017 who will be younger when they take over and who we can reap the benefits of them starting a few seasons on a rookie contract from.

If I'm the Patriots I'm trying to flip Garoppolo into a first round pick and looking for the next QB in the 2016 or 2017 draft. I don't like the idea of never having a QB start while in his rookie deal, look at how Seattle has benefited from Wilson, and I don't like the idea of handing the franchise over to 27-28 year old QB who has a career window of 7-10 years. The Montana/Young period left the 49ers in a black hole for a number of years because of the short turn around and strain their contracts put on the teams cap space.