Mr Kraft, The Time has Come To Ask: Whose Side Are You On?

[PatsWickedPissah]

Publicly demanding a quick investigation will do nothing to getting a quick investigation.

If Kraft wants a fast resolution, he is fighting for it behind the scenes. That is how you get things done. Goodell is not going to act faster because Kraft demanded on publicly.

Again, the league wants this resolved as quickly as the Patriots. They do not want this to be one of the biggest storylines next week. It isn't in the best interest of the league.

Au contraire!
Cui bono?
The league's slow rolling of this builds frenetic interest in the SB among 31 of 32 teams' fans. The story is covered 24/7 in all media, including non-sports venues. Cable TV "news" is featuring it. Why would Goodell and 31/32nds of the Board of Directors not wan this to be the most viewed SB ever as the unrepentant Evil Empire gets defeated by Saint Russell aided by his intrepid minions, the Refs!

 

[RobAllan]

Who are they these people? Last year, an average of 111.5 million Americans watched the Super Bowl (at the height of the game it was 117 million). That is over a third of the country.

Who are these people who are on the fence on watching the Super Bowl, but decided to go all in because the Pats deflated a ball or two?

The Super Bowl is broadcasted in 24 countries around the world. There is literally going to be thousands of international reporters and media outlets in Arizona next week. It gets plenty of exposure world wide.

And Super Bowl ads are a set rate. There is no viewership clause.

1. People who are not fans of the Pats/Seahawks but fans of the NFL may or may not choose to watch.
2. 1/3 of the country leaves 2/3.
3. Plenty of exposure leaves room for MORE exposure. More exposure is good.
4. I am not sure about viewership clauses. It's possible that the "local" ads that get negotiated have them. (It's possible they don't as well.) Either way the Superbowl needs to maintain or grow viewership to charge the same or more money next year. So ... more is still good.

We're junking up the thread so I'm not posting again after this. Take the last word. I think everyone knows what it will be the same as everyone knew what my post was going to be. LOL

 

[Rob0729]

Au contraire!
Cui bono?
The league's slow rolling of this builds frenetic interest in the SB among 31 of 32 teams' fans. The story is covered 24/7 in all media, including non-sports venues. Cable TV "news" is featuring it. Why would Goodell and 31/32nds of the Board of Directors not wan this to be the most viewed SB ever as the unrepentant Evil Empire gets defeated by Saint Russell aided by his intrepid minions, the Refs!

Yes, the league loves astericks next to titles and people questioning the integrity of the game.

The Seahawks are not a likable team. In fact, in large portion of the country it will be Sait Tommy vs. the Evil Legion of Boom and that loud mouth Richard Sherman.

I don't get why people think the league enjoy another scandal especially right before the Super Bowl after the year the league has had.

 

[dales804]

Steriods brought people back. The scandal that followed hurt the sport. The McGuire Sosa home run race was prior to the major steroid scandal.

True it happened before Balco and every other list came out with players who took PEDs. I believe viewership continues to fall for MLB even though they have their testing policy firmly in place now and have suspended those offenders harshly. I just find MLB boring to watch now and I used to watch all the time. And I don't care about steroids in MLB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Rational people need to ask themselves this: supposedly a notably deflated ball was reported by a Colt who'd picked Brady.

Then why did not the many refs who handle every ball on every play notice any of these supposedly deflated footballs???

 

[Rob0729]

1. People who are not fans of the Pats/Seahawks but fans of the NFL may or may not choose to watch.
2. 1/3 of the country leaves 2/3.
3. Plenty of exposure leaves room for MORE exposure. More exposure is good.
4. I am not sure about viewership clauses. It's possible that the "local" ads that get negotiated have them. (It's possible they don't as well.) Either way the Superbowl needs to maintain or grow viewership to charge the same or more money next year. So ... more is still good.

We're junking up the thread so I'm not posting again after this. Take the last word. I think everyone knows what it will be the same as everyone knew what my post was going to be. LOL

Again, fans of NFL who weren't going to watch the game are going to watch the game because the Pats are no longer just cheaters, but multiple times cheaters. Oooo! The intrigue.

I am sorry, this conspiracy theory that the league is going to draw this scandal out for ratings and make the Pats the fall guys for the betterment of the league as a whole is as loony in my eyes as the Pats putting a TV screen in the parking lot that only the Pats' sideline can see for instant replays.

 

[BradyManny]

Who are these people who are on the fence on watching the Super Bowl, but decided to go all in because the Pats deflated a ball or two?

Rob - this is the last I'll exchange with you on this, I don't want to beat a dead horse. And as always I respect your viewpoint so I don't want to turn this into some annoying back & forth that goes nowhere and bogs down other discussion. But here aren't you essentially saying Deflate Gate has a neutral effect on ratings? So what negative effects are there to the NFL? Who is writing negative stories about them yesterday. Instead you have Florio writing some puff piece on how seriously the NFL takes its integrity, and all negativity lands on those big bad Patriots. Again - this scandal is neutral for the NFL.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Yes, the league loves astericks next to titles and people questioning the integrity of the game.

The Seahawks are not a likable team. In fact, in large portion of the country it will be Sait Tommy vs. the Evil Legion of Boom and that loud mouth Richard Sherman.

I don't get why people think the league enjoy another scandal especially right before the Super Bowl after the year the league has had.

Rob, it's OBVIOUS that you never worked in marketing.
Notoriety is good especially if there are the Forces of Good arrayed against the Forces of Evil. One more time 31/32nds of the league are once again cheering for the League Office to come down on the Patriots with the hammers of hell.
Your naiveté regarding viewership and ratings is astounding.
This is getting INTERNATIONAL publicity and even here in the US cable news shows are featuring it.
What the networks get paid for SB advt minutes is a function of the viewership of the previous SB so having huge ratings this SB affects the revenue $ for the next one. If one already hated franchise suffers, do you think the league office or the other owners really care?

 

[Rob0729]

Rob - this is the last I'll exchange with you on this, I don't want to beat a dead horse. And as always I respect your viewpoint so I don't want to turn this into some annoying back & forth that goes nowhere and bogs down other discussion. But here aren't you essentially admitting Deflate Gate has a neutral effect on ratings? So what negative effects are there to the NFL? Who is writing negative stories about them yesterday. Instead you have Florio writing some puff piece on how seriously the NFL takes its integrity, and all negativity lands on those big bad Patriots.

I'll leave it at that.

I will reply and be done.

It will have zero effect on the ratings, but it is just another hit on the integrity and brand of the league. Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson didn't affect the ratings either, but it hurt the league.

It is about them wanting to showcase how great the NFL is next week and not that one of their Super Bowl participants is involved in a cheating scandal. I know I covered that.

And what if after the Super Bowl they do declare the Pats did deflate balls. People will be complaining the league swept it under the rug until after the Super Bowl so they didn't have to disqualify them from the game or affect their chances of winning.

 

[neuronet]

There is plenty of bad press. You think Roger Goodell loves the bad press he got for the Ray Rice thing?

And the league likes to make Super Bowl week a showcase of the the superiority of the NFL. I think you guys are underestimating how much they want this to not be a storyline next week.

Good point the Ray Rice thing was bad. This isn't in the same ballpark. Where is the description of what they are doing. What is the timeline? They could have had this resolved by today. They don't seem to be in any hurry.

Hope I'm proven wrong today, and the squash the distraction.

 

[reflexblue]

Rational people need to ask themselves this: supposedly a notably deflated ball was reported by a Colt who'd picked Brady.

Then why did not the many refs who handle every ball on every play notice any of these supposedly deflated footballs???

Thats an excellent point pissah, but this isn't about logic, its about poor sportsmanship,envy,and money. The colts are poor losers so they started it, the media can get hits and higher ratings by ignoring the logic you pointed out, and the fans of other less fortunate teams who are envious of this teams success can use it as an excuse as to why Their teams lose to the pats.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob, it's OBVIOUS that you never worked in marketing.
Notoriety is good especially if there are the Forces of Good arrayed against the Forces of Evil. One more time 31/32nds of the league are once again cheering for the League Office to come down on the Patriots with the hammers of hell.
Your naiveté regarding viewership and ratings is astounding.
This is getting INTERNATIONAL publicity and even here in the US cable news shows are featuring it.
What the networks get paid for SB advt minutes is a function of the viewership of the previous SB so having huge ratings this SB affects the revenue $ for the next one. If one already hated franchise suffers, do you think the league office or the other owners really care?

Other than the fact I have been working in marketing most of my adult life and have a master's degree in marketing, you would be right.

The biggest misnomer in marketing is that no press is bad press. Bad press can sink companies depending on what it is.

And there is no Forces of Good in this match up. There are about as many fans out there who hate the Seahawks and all their trash talking as there are that hate the Patriots. This isn't like the Pats are facing Green Bay.

And internationally, they do not want to portray the image that one of their most successful teams has been accused of cheating multiple times. They are trying to an image internationally and it isn't that teams in the NFL cheat to win.

 

[dales804]

Rational people need to ask themselves this: supposedly a notably deflated ball was reported by a Colt who'd picked Brady.

Then why did not the many refs who handle every ball on every play notice any of these supposedly deflated footballs???

Are you joking? Because Kraft paid them off to not notice. They weren't counting on IND to notice anything!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Other than the fact I have been working in marketing most of my adult life and have a master's degree in marketing, you would be right.

Just reassure me yours wasn't from Babson where I got mine.
You could not be more wrong.

 

[JMarr]

Ask the Ravens or Roger Goodell about how coming forward and heading the Ray Rice thing off in advance worked out for them. What they said back then came back to blow up on them. I know that is the extreme, but giving this overblown story more press only keeps it overblown even longer.

Besides, even if he comes forward and denies this, what does it accomplish? It will satisfy the Pats fans that he spoke while the conspiracy theorists and Patriots haters will just say he is lying and the fact he came forward he has something to hide.

If people here need Kraft to come forward satisfy their own personal doubts or needs, then fine. But don't think it is going to do anything to change anyone's minds who think the Pats are guilty or change the press from vigorously pursuing this story. It will be just another excuse for Florio to have another Deflate-Gate post and hundreds of responses of people calling the Pats "The Cheatriots" and Belichick "BeliCHEAT".

This is a good point. What if Kraft doesn't have enough (or any) information right now as to whether there is anything to this or not )however trivial it may be)?

If there was some way he could determine this is false beyond any doubt then that would be the time to come out and rip Goodell, Irsay and the media a new one.

 

[JMarr]

[QUOTE="UK_Pat37, post: 4077414, member: 30239

I don't see why this has ruined it? To be honest, and I have some irritating friends, I haven't had this rubbed in my face at all. It seems far fetched to a lot of people.[/QUOTE]

I've experienced the opposite from every die hard fan of another team that I know. Jumped on it from the get-go and started calling the Pats serial cheaters who don't deserve to be in the SB because of it.

 

[Rob0729]

Just reassure me yours wasn't from Babson where I got mine.
You could not be more wrong.

And here I thought Babson was a good business school. I guess I was wrong.

What was I wrong about? That the biggest misnomer that there is no such thing as bad press? I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG, Mel Gibson, Hewlitt Packard, etc. would agree with me. The world is littered with companies and people hurt by bad press.

After Target reported that their credit card info had been stolen, their 4th quarter profits dropped 46%.

After Toyota had their massive recall, their sales dropped 16%.

After Lululemon recalled some of their yoga pants for being see through and had a scandal that they were shunning overweight shoppers, their sales dropped.

There are plenty of examples of bad press killing sales or destroying careers. Hell, the ratings are down this year for the NFL, maybe it is in part because of the domestic violence scandals (although I don't know if that is true).

Bad press can sometimes have a positive effect, but it also can be a disaster.

 

[RIP#40]

I thought you were serious when you said he's 90 -_- he's actually 73 lol

He meant Bob Kraft AND his girlfriend are 90 combined.

 

[Danger Zone]

After Lululemon recalled some of their yoga pants for being see through and had a scandal that they were shunning overweight shoppers, their sales dropped.

Some much needed evidence for this thread.

 

[Jackson 2]

Who knows. Making statements without the facts rarely works out well.

Working pretty well for the Colts right now...