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I think we missed the biggest threat for us from the buffalo offense. Fred Jackson.He kills us most of the times.And Iam still concerned about our run defense. Cincy didnt run much for some reason and the fast start helped us keep it that way. But if they get jackson going , it could be tough day .

Fred Jackson has ALWAYS torn the Patriots up. Be it running or receiving. He's a much more dynamic threat than Spiller, in my honest opinion.
 
PFK, even as a rookie, Watkins is far more elite than either Woods or Williams, who are nothing special. Heck, some of my Bills buddies wanted to see Woods benched in favour of Goodwin now that they had a QB under OC who could get the ball downfield.

If Revis was brought here to handle the oppositions best WR then that WR is Watkins.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree for a couple of reasons. First, predictability is a defense killer. I think its great to have the Bills assume that Revis will follow Watkins around. I think we also disagree on the definition of what Revis was brought in to do at least in some degree. I think his primary function is to shut down a SIDE, not an individual.

Even great receivers have problems getting the ball vs double team. By oubling him on one side you effectively can force the QB into predictable throws. QB's are trained to recognize double coverage, and go to where the single coverage opens up. Of course Orton could try and beat the double, but you CANNOT get away with that with any consistency in the NFL.

When the Jets were playing at their best, they had success because with Revis, they could shut down one receiver (it didn't have to be their best) and then double team TWO of the next top choices. It sometimes proved to be very effective. With all the DB's who have a myriad of different skill sets, the Pats have the ability to do similar things. So its less important WHO Revis shuts down, that THAT he shuts someone down.

BTW- it should be noted that playing great coverage does NOT necessarily mean the pass isn't going to be completed. There have been a few occasions where Revis has been in PERFECT position, only to have the ball somehow get through. Also, like we saw against Greene, even being in perfect coverage in the current NFL doesn't mean you aren't going to get a flag.

Maybe the be best result would come from a compromise. If Watkins comes to Revis' side, let him go at him like he did with Greene. If not, double him and let Revis shut down the guy on his side. ;)
 
The Bills offense has a bunch of weapons. Beyond Spiller, Jackson, and Watkins, you have TE - Scott Chandler and WR - Robert Woods. The Pats can't afford to leave Chandler open because he'll burn them as much as Fred Jackson does.

Given the Bills good O-line (I am hesitant to blame Manuel for all the sacks), I hope that the Pats can pressure Orton.

Not sure what the play-calling difference is that has Fred Jackson running at 4.8 YPC vs Spiller's measly 3.5 YPC but the Pats have to hope that Spiller gets a bulk of the carries.

Spiller is scary on kick-off returns. He's averaging over 35YPR.. Gost is gonna need to put them through the endzone each time to limit Spiller.

It will be interesting to see if Wendell is back at RG or if Fleming goes back there. The only reason Fleming missed last week was his finger injury..

I think that, besides Spikes, they are also weak at Safety. I think that using Wright, Ridley, and Gronk to get the Bills to crowd the middle of the field will open things up on the outside for Edelman, Dobson, Tyms, and LaFell.
 
PFK, I can't say for what reason the Pats brought Revis in but I can say that if it is to cover the oppositions best WR then, in the case of the Bills, that WR is, without question or doubt, Sammy Watkins.

Woods and Williams shouldn't pose much problems for whichever of Dennard, Browner or Arrington the Pats choose to use in coverage. Honestly, after Watkins, the guy who I think will be most challenging to cover is Goodwin. I'm not sure the Pats have CB who has the wheels to cover him. He might be the guy that warrants a double team as a result.
 
Given the Bills good O-line (I am hesitant to blame Manuel for all the sacks), I hope that the Pats can pressure Orton.

Actually, the Bills OG's are a major weakness and should be exploitable by Wilfork.
 
Some comments on the comments:

1. My biggest fear right now is that this is an away game. Despite the results from last week, this offense is far from a finished product, and playing an away game in a loud stadium really limits much of what you'd like to do. For instance, when you can't hear the snap count, OLmen have to look into the ball before they take heir first step.

Its only a micro second, but one of the great advantages the OL has is having that micro second head start by knowing the count. You often lose that in a loud environment. So given our existing questions about the OL, I am concerned how they will do against what is currently a top 5 DL which will likely have Kyle Williams back for this game (a proven Pats killer).

If the OL is reasonably successful (ie 2 sacks/11 hurries) I will be MUCH more confident about the state of the OL going forward. This game has traditionally been the Bills "superbow". Given how well they have started out, that place will be ROCKING, just like KC.

2. Our road history hasn't been great in recent years. ALL 5 losses last season were on the road, and we are currently 1-2 this season. Its very hard to win in the NFL, its that much harder to do it one the road. This is going to be a very very VERY hard game.

3. Borgie made an insightful observation that worth repeating. Its concerning to note that a LOT of the strengths of the Miami team are what's good about the Bills. So watching how the Pats respond to a similar challenge is go a long way to determining how much this team has improved.

4. Sorry Bob, but me on the side of those who think it would be wiser to double Watkins, and have Revis simply take Woods out of the game. I'm not quite as high on Watkins as some.....just yet. He is having a great rookie year, and might be an elite WR down the road, but in week 5 of his rookie year.....he isn't.

That being said, there is no questioning his talent and the need to give him "special attention". That's why I think doubling him would be more effective at this stage. But I hope that on certain occasions, we see Revis matched up on this kid. I stated in my OP that changing up and disguising what we are doing will go a long way to keep the Bills off the board. Orton is a vet, but the fact is the Bills made him an offer he couldn't refuse to get him off the couch at the end of TC. I want him questioning his reads all game.

5. One advantage the Pats have in this game is that Orton is just slightly more mobile than Tom Brady. Our outside rushers do not have to take the same care in keeping him in the pocket, so i expect much more out of Jone and Ninko this game.

6. Play action against a guessing Spikes would seem like a no brainer, but it does pose protection issues. Brady has been hit or sacked on a number of occasions trying to run play action. Part of the problem is ALL play action passes require more time before release than a shot gun or standard drop back, Normally a QB will immediately have his eyes down field watching the coverage develop and what his receivers are doing. When running PA, the QB has his back to the LOS for the first few seconds and only gets to check downfield AFTER he turns. It is only THEN that he can scan the field for his reads.

Thus the protection has to be better than usual. IIRC on a lot of the poor PA results come when the defense clearly has ignored the run. That puts the OL at a terrible disadvantage, given they have fired out in order to sell the PA. So not only do they have to to protect longer, they lose their advantage of taking a step back to set their protection.

I am a huge believer in the play action pass, However not all the advantages go to the offense and we should be aware of it.

7. Devlin and Vareen should be key receivers in this game. Once again I'm pushing for more dump offs

8. Still looking for someone to show me a scheme to stop Peppers, Williams and Dareus and whomever else they throw out on the DL

9. It wasn't a good match up to put Hightower on Spiller last year. Putting Jamie Collins, while marginally better, isn't a good idea either. What I'd LIKE to see is having it "look" like Collins is on Spiller, but when the ball's snapped, have him end up with a DB on coverage. And yes, its possible to scheme this up.that way. ;)

You want a db on spiller and a double team on Watkins. Presuming none of those are Revis, that's your secondary usage right there unless in a sub package, so there would be no mccourty over the top, no db on the other two eligible guys. I kind of like that I guess, but if that left another wr or fjax matched up with a lb, with no mccourty over the top, that would be scary. There's going to be three or four guys you want covered by a dB on every down. A double team on Watkins and mccourty over the top would mean five or six days, which would be easy to run on.

Long story short, have to sacrifice somewhere. Whether that's no double team on Watkins, no mccourty over the top, no dB on rbs, or easy to run on sub packages remains to be seen. My guess is BB will mix it up among those options.
 
As others have mentioned, my biggest worry is jackson and spiller out of the backfield catching passes or even running on the edges. Our defensive edge setting has been spotty . The bengals didnt run enough and our score helped. But looking at the chiefs and dolphins game on the road , our run defense has been its heels . This is my biggest concern for the defense going into this game .
 
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The Bills offense has a bunch of weapons. Beyond Spiller, Jackson, and Watkins, you have TE - Scott Chandler and WR - Robert Woods. The Pats can't afford to leave Chandler open because he'll burn them as much as Fred Jackson does.

Given the Bills good O-line (I am hesitant to blame Manuel for all the sacks), I hope that the Pats can pressure Orton.

Not sure what the play-calling difference is that has Fred Jackson running at 4.8 YPC vs Spiller's measly 3.5 YPC but the Pats have to hope that Spiller gets a bulk of the carries.

Spiller is scary on kick-off returns. He's averaging over 35YPR.. Gost is gonna need to put them through the endzone each time to limit Spiller.

It will be interesting to see if Wendell is back at RG or if Fleming goes back there. The only reason Fleming missed last week was his finger injury..

I think that, besides Spikes, they are also weak at Safety. I think that using Wright, Ridley, and Gronk to get the Bills to crowd the middle of the field will open things up on the outside for Edelman, Dobson, Tyms, and LaFell.
I think any defense will want the pats to throw outside and crowd the middle.
 
As others have mentioned, my biggest worry is jackson and spiller out of the backfield catching passes or even running on the edges. Our defensive edge setting has been spotty . The bengals didnt run enough and our score helped. But looking at the chiefs and dolphins game on the road , our run defense has been its heels . This is my biggest concern for the defense going into this game .

I agree. I'm more worried about the RB's then the WR's (other than Watkins).

I wonder if Hackett would consider trotting out an offense featuring both Jackson and Spiller along with Watkins, Goodwin and Chandler? Tons of speed, athleticism and versatility out there to have to contain. If their OL held up that would be a killer offense to have to defend.
 
We need to get a lead on this game, play our game not having to reach the score, and let the Bills fuk themselves giving the game on a plate for us.
 
While I agree with you that there are different ways to approach the task, I think that you're still missing the point and possibly even failing to read either link that I posted.

My comment wasn't about "how" to approach Watkins. It was the fact that Watkins came forth to the media that "they (BUF) found out that Revis would be on him."

That is why I asked "I wonder if Belichick knows this?" in my original post. I was more interested in the fact that Watkins claims to have discovered this information somehow, that's all.

It's not important though, I'm just making conversation. Your question is much more football appropriate. I was just curious about the odd nature of Watkins' comments.
I guess there is more to it according to curran

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/watkins-says-bills-found-revis-will-shadow-him
 
Maybe the Bills are taping our walkthroughs.
 
As others have mentioned, my biggest worry is jackson and spiller out of the backfield catching passes or even running on the edges. Our defensive edge setting has been spotty . The bengals didnt run enough and our score helped. But looking at the chiefs and dolphins game on the road , our run defense has been its heels . This is my biggest concern for the defense going into this game .

This is a great post and I agree 100%. Let's take a look at the 5 weeks:

Week 1 - Moreno destroy us
Week 2 - AP deactivated
Week 3 - Mcfadden (This is not the same Mcfadden from early in his career)
Week 4 - Charles/Davis destroy us
Week 5 - Bernard + being down big pretty quick

We haven't stopped the run vs good backs this season. And no, I don't think Bernard is an every down back. CJ/Freddy are both better backs than Asiata, Mcfadden, and Bernard. If we can control CJ/Freddy it will be a step in the right direction but I think we have a long way to go until we have reliable run D.
 
I agree. I'm more worried about the RB's then the WR's (other than Watkins).

I wonder if Hackett would consider trotting out an offense featuring both Jackson and Spiller along with Watkins, Goodwin and Chandler? Tons of speed, athleticism and versatility out there to have to contain. If their OL held up that would be a killer offense to have to defend.
Match ups and schemes. Tha's what makes football so cool. Its the ability to actually be the chess master and find perceived weaknesses and strengths at attack them. No other team game is affecedt more by coaching than football. Its why the games are so exciting because the most "talented" teams don't always win.

I think we all agree that EVERYONE good enough to make an NFL roster is a well trained elite athlete. Some are better than others, but ALL are very good. In other words, byo and large all the "chess pieces" are equal, its how the "chess master" chooses to position and play those pieces that decides who wins. Of course that is an oversimplistic metaphor for the game of football, but the basic point is true.

The purpose of this thread was to discuss how the Pats and Bills might attempt to match up with each other this week. So far so good. ;)
 
Darius is the type of player Connolly handles way better than Wendell. Hopefully the Patriots have some ideas to get those two matched up. Wendell will struggle with Darius. The Bills are hard enough to run on without a mismatch.
I agree that Darius is exactly the kind of DT that cost Wendell his starting job at Center. It got so bad that the Pats drafted his replacement and made it a priority to replace him.

At guard Ryan will lose in bull rushes unless the Pats use Darius against himself, suckering him into success getting by Wendell, only to have RBs run into the hole behind him.

Wendell's mobility will help in pulls and mobile blocks, staying away from pure drive blocking plays.

In pass plays the Pats should anticipate help from RBs and TEs for Wendell against Darius
Whether Kyle can play at the other DT, will determine how much help Ryan can get.
 
This is a great post and I agree 100%. Let's take a look at the 5 weeks:

Week 1 - Moreno destroy us
Week 2 - AP deactivated
Week 3 - Mcfadden (This is not the same Mcfadden from early in his career)
Week 4 - Charles/Davis destroy us
Week 5 - Bernard + being down big pretty quick

We haven't stopped the run vs good backs this season. And no, I don't think Bernard is an every down back. CJ/Freddy are both better backs than Asiata, Mcfadden, and Bernard. If we can control CJ/Freddy it will be a step in the right direction but I think we have a long way to go until we have reliable run D.[/QUOTE

Losing Siliga hurt, and the Pats couldn't stop the between the tackles run, forcing the DEs to crash inward and getting turned inside and losing contain outside.

Casey Hayward, a Big body may be the most important addition to the D, since the season started.
 
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