Logan Mankins Traded

[Bruins29]

The only thing comical is your obvious homerism and inability to understand that you can only put 11 players on the field.

What is even more laughable is you backtracking now and trying to say that you said the "O Line will be worse" when you clearly said team and clarified it twice.

Nice try. Admit you may be wrong once. It wont kill you.

 

[Rob0729]

You are clearly not assessing this objectively. You must know that Brady is all about trusting his receivers. There is no way Wright this year with no training camp will vault past Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, and even Thomkins and Dobson, on who Brady will look to on passing downs. Meanwhile, Mankins would have been our starting LG, and quite possibly be our best OL.

Talk about not looking at things objectively. Wright hasn't played a snap of football with the Pats and you have already declared that Brady will never throw to him. Yes if Wright is consistently wide open down the seam and has a direct line to the end zone, Brady is always going to throw to a triple covered Edelman because he is his boy. Really?!?

And when did I say Wright would vault past Gronk and Edelman on targets. I said he had the potential of catching 70 balls. In my mind, that would be no higher than third in receiving on this team assuming Gronk is healthy all year.

And again, Mankins is a guard. A good guard. But just a guard.

 

[Nunchucks]

So I guess everyone else is a homer too because they are telling you the same thing. You hate the trade but cant remotely put a cognitive argument together as to why the team is absolutely worse. So when everyone tells you that you are not looking at this correctly, you go into stawman mode.

Yeah, I see, we are all homers. LOL

Well this is a patriots board, I expect lots of homers. I am a huge Patriots fan, but have been around the block enough times.

 

[Nunchucks]

What is even more laughable is you backtracking now and trying to say that you said the "O Line will be worse" when you clearly said team and clarified it twice.

Nice try. Admit you may be wrong once. It wont kill you.

It will be worse, sorry if I do not want to continue to restate myself over and over and over again.

 

[Bruins29]

Well this is a patriots board, I expect lots of homers. I am a huge Patriots fan, but have been around the block enough times.

Looking at things objectively isnt being a homer even if it goes against your hate for the trade. Try it sometime.

Around the block? As in disappointed? Not sure what that means.

 

[Rob0729]

Well this is a patriots board, I expect lots of homers. I am a huge Patriots fan, but have been around the block enough times.

And you are a Negative Nancy. You are one of the chief everything the Pats does sucks brigade. So you really shouldn't be calling out homers when you do the same thing in the opposite direction.

BTW, I have never declared it was a good trade. I have said it has the POTENTIAL to be a good trade for the Pats. You are the one to talk about absolutes that this trade is a bust. I am willing to let this play out and see how both players and the guy who replaces Mankins performs before I make an absolute decision. Yet, I am a homer and you are objective.

 

[Bruins29]

It will be worse, sorry if I do not want to continue to restate myself over and over and over again.

The Oline? Perhaps....likely. But you went all off about the team and have seem to now change your mind.

Or are you sticking to your guns. Hard to tell with you. You move the goalposts and strawman.

 

[Nunchucks]

And you are a Negative Nancy. You are one of the chief everything the Pats does sucks brigade. So you really shouldn't be calling out homers when you do the same thing in the opposite direction.

What are you talking about?

The Patriots are fielding the best team they have in a long time, I supported the Garp pick and defend their drafts all the time....WTF?

Oh and I spend a crapton of money every year supporting the team at the actual game.

 

[Nunchucks]

The Oline? Perhaps....likely. But you went all off about the team and have seem to now change your mind.

Or are you sticking to your guns. Hard to tell with you. You move the goalposts and strawman.

There are multiple rationals for why the trade does not make the team better this year. Sorry that you are only able to understand one at a time.

 

[Rob0729]

What are you talking about?

The Patriots are fielding the best team they have in a long time, I supported the Garp pick and defend their drafts all the time....WTF?

Sorry, I thought I responding to condon who is constantly bashing the Pats. My bad. Sorry about that.

Probably should look at who I am responding to more closely. Take my response to you and throw it to condon who started the homer stuff.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'd add, how many times have you seen a BB team develop a "spare part" into a minor (or even major) star? The Welker example from the 07 offseason immediately comes to mind: The "oh yeah we got him too" acquisition that turned out to be a display of vision rather than overpaying.

So I wouldn't jump to "spare part" conclusions until we see more of this team on the field. One advantage that has pertained for NE for stretches of years at a time: We have to have a really crap year to be in a division dogfight.

For most teams you get the preseason, then it's a fight for your life... for the Pats you have enough "cushion" to get it right over a couple more games if necessary. I'm not saying they're complacent so much as capable/confident of developing how the parts fit together optimally before the season that counts, the post-season.



You can't remove it from the equation, but the truth is that to be the SB winner you have to be the best of 32 teams. Do it twice running, and all else being equal, reducing it to pure chance, it's roughly a 1 in 1000 shot. So we all know that all else is not equal, but you're still unlikely to get it more than once in a decade, even as an elite franchise. It happens, but it's not the NFL "model," it's an unusual thing.

All those forms that the "magic" takes (or does not take) play into it: Helmet traps, "convenient flags" (has happened for us AND against us,) etc. And yes, injuries.

Agree the "losing when it counts" is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong - for 10 years, it's been true. But "when it counts" is every game, once you're talking playoffs -- and even the majority of teams that don't make the playoffs can be on the bubble to the final week these days. Many of them lost "when it counts" too.

Every team except for one very good one, and a few wretched ones who lose all the time, "lose when it counts" every year.

For a good team, you lose "when it counts" every year... except for those magical years when you don't.

Morning core-dump, please excuse me.

Your Record speaks quite eloquently enough for itself.

But this Post, in particular, was magnificent.

 

[Bruins29]

There are multiple rationals for why the trade does not make the team better this year. Sorry that you are only able to understand one at a time.

Unfortuantely, there are more rationals why it might. Sorry you have to get rid of your Logan Mankins bed spread now. Maybe we can get you a Josh Kline one lol

 

[Ring 6]

I doubt he will play almost full time. I think the biggest advantage of this offense right now is all the different formations they can run. Two TE sets. Two RB sets. Four or five WR sets. I expect the Pats to have one of the most dynamic offenses they have ever had by what they are going to throw at people.

I am not down playing him being undersized by blocking little guys, I am pointing out he will not be facing many 300 Lb linemen if at all and he won't be only facing 270 lb LBers either. He will see slot CBs a lot when he is lining up in the slot.

But why not say the same thing to the people who say he is a horrible pick just because he is undersized.

If you are calling him a WR playing in the slot fine, he is proabably a good blocker.
If you are trying to call him a TE, you can't say he is blocking nickel corners.
Players at certain positions have certain size ranges. When you are the smallest in the league at your position, or close to it, saying it doesn't matter because of who you think he will block is being in denial. If its no big deal why are there dozens of TEs across the league who are 219 lbs, with people claiming they bulked up to 235, which is still as small as it gets at TE?

 

[Nunchucks]

Unfortuantely, there are more rationals why it might. Sorry you have to get rid of your Logan Mankins bed spread now. Maybe we can get you a Josh Kline one lol

So, the two rationals are adding an untested/undersized TE into a crowded receiving core and that Kline will give you close enough approximation of Mankins...

Those are the two on the field rationals.

 

[Bruins29]

So, the two rationals are adding an untested/undersized TE into a crowded receiving core and that Kline will give you close enough approximation of Mankins...

Those are the two on the field rationals.

If untested is the 3rd best rookie TE season of all time with a **** team and QB I will take untested all day.

 

[condon84]

Talk about not looking at things objectively. Wright hasn't played a snap of football with the Pats and you have already declared that Brady will never throw to him. Yes if Wright is consistently wide open down the seam and has a direct line to the end zone, Brady is always going to throw to a triple covered Edelman because he is his boy. Really?!?

And when did I say Wright would vault past Gronk and Edelman on targets. I said he had the potential of catching 70 balls. In my mind, that would be no higher than third in receiving on this team assuming Gronk is healthy all year.

And again, Mankins is a guard. A good guard. But just a guard.

LOL. It's not even worth discussing.

 

[stealthdog]

My problem with the trade is that Belichick waited too long to do it. With others, he had the foresight to maximize return and move players before they hit their regression point. Mankins went from a top, elite guard to a better than average (at least in the running game, probably below average in the passing game) guard last year. I'd say that transformation started even before last year. I don't know if his decreased performance was because of injuries, age, or something else. Really doesn't matter. Belichick waited too long to move him - trade him a year earlier and you may be looking at a 1st/2nd rounder in return instead of the marginal return the Patriots got for him now.

 

[Bruins29]

LOL. It's not even worth discussing.

Correct, because with some of you logic has gone out the window in favor of some strange loyalty and sentimental feelings.

Oh well.

 

[VrabelJr]

So, the two rationals are adding an untested/undersized TE into a crowded receiving core and that Kline will give you close enough approximation of Mankins...

Those are the two on the field rationals.

Wait, why is Tim Wright untested? He did play against Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, St Louis and New Orleans (twice) and Carolina (twice) last year.

 

[Rob0729]

LOL. It's not even worth discussing.

Why is not worth discussing? The guy caught 54 balls last year. Him getting 70 balls is not a crazy potential. Not saying he will, but he has the potential. If he catches 40 balls, he will make this offense better.

Let's say Brady has 400 completions this year (definitely not out of the question since two QBs had more last year and the new rules/emphasis will probably have more QBs doing it). If Wright caught 70 balls, that is only 17.5% of the offense. Not a huge amount if he became the third or fourth leading receiver. If he gets 40 balls, it is only 10% of the passes which is not a huge amount if he is the fourth or fifth option. I think 70 is his high end with 40 being his low end.

Funny, I entertained your ridiculous claim that Wright will never get passes because Brady doesn't trust him more than eight guys on the roster. Brady stops throwing to receivers that shows him that he cannot trust like Ochocinco who he threw to a lot early in the season. He just doesn't ignore a receiver without giving him a chance if he is open.