Rodney Holds the Pats Accountable

[condon84]

Not silly on Patsfans.com. I guess it's easier to shoot the messenger than to actually know who to blame on that play.

If there is anyone or unit to blame for that game, it's our OL. They got their $h!t pushed in the entire game.

As far as what Rodney is saying, the team leaders just don't have the same type of personality as the old guard. Brady gets in people's faces, but Mayo or Vince really don't have that same personality. Where we had that in spades with Rodney, McGinest, Bruschi, Vrabel, Faulk, etc.

 

[captain stone]

And just for the record, had the Tyree catch been incomplete, the d/d would've been 4th/5, giving
the jints one last chance; the game would not have been over yet.

 

[Ivan]

The bolded is correct correct, but Rodney did everything he could to try to break up that pass. Considering Tyree wasn't his man in the first place, that he was even in position to try to make that play is impressive enough. Samuel not only quit on the play, but still had a chance to lower his shoulder and BLAST Tyree, which should have been enough to dislodge the ball. He failed to do that. That play is on Samuel, not on Rodney. The loss itself can mostly be blamed on Nick Kaczur and the injury to Neal on the OL. Kaczur, in particular, was getting beaten like a rented mule as soon as Neal went down.

And I think Welker tried his hardest to make that catch and dropped it, but I guarantee you that if Welker had made that comment people in this forum would be all over it as hypocritical given that he could have finished it off and didn't. As I said before i love Rodney and think he belongs in the HOF but he shouldn't be calling this team out for winning Super Bowls when in truth the teams they have sent to the SB and AFCCG's simply were not championship caliber team's, at least imo. The teams they have fielded recently have really gotten the most out of themselves and were not of the caliber that their Championship teams of the dynast years were. This year is another story altogether imo, going into this season they have a roster that can be a championship team, they have questions and not every unit is top flight but they should have a top 5 scoring offense and top 5 scoring defense, and it has been years since they could seriously claim that of their defense. If they stay relatively healthy they should be a final four team with a really good shot at winning the Super Bowl, and if they are healthy and don't get it done then I can see criticism for falling short with a team this good, i don't thinkj the same can be said of the team's that lost in the SB and the last couple pf AFFCG's. The team that lost to the Giant's in 2011 could have won that Lombardi, but onlysmall minority of Patriot fans believed they could even get there with that defense going into December of that season. Belichick and Brady have been willing this team to the heights they have reached and they have gotten the most out of them imo.


BTW-I don't disagree with you that Samuel bears most of the responsibility for that play, i just think Rodney could have finished it off for them.

 

[Kontradiction]

And I think Welker tried his hardest to make that catch and dropped it, but I guarantee you that if Welker had made that comment people in this forum would be all over it as hypocritical given that he could have finished it off and didn't. As I said before i love Rodney and think he belongs in the HOF but he shouldn't be calling this team out for winning Super Bowls when in truth the teams they have sent to the SB and AFCCG's simply were not championship caliber team's, at least imo. The teams they have fielded recently have really gotten the most out of themselves and were not of the caliber that their Championship teams of the dynast years were. This year is another story altogether imo, going into this season they have a roster that can be a championship team, they have questions and not every unit is top flight but they should have a top 5 scoring offense and top 5 scoring defense, and it has been years since they could seriously claim that of their defense. If they stay relatively healthy they should be a final four team with a really good shot at winning the Super Bowl, and if they are healthy and don't get it done then I can see criticism for falling short with a team this good, i don't thinkj the same can be said of the team's that lost in the SB and the last couple pf AFFCG's. The team that lost to the Giant's in 2011 could have won that Lombardi, but onlysmall minority of Patriot fans believed they could even get there with that defense going into December of that season. Belichick and Brady have been willing this team to the heights they have reached and they have gotten the most out of them imo.


BTW-I don't disagree with you that Samuel bears most of the responsibility for that play, i just think Rodney could have finished it off for them.

The main difference is Welker dropped a ball that hit him in the hands and Rodney was trying to dislodge a ball from a receiver that was not his man but, because of his on-field instincts, was there anyway to try to make the play. Either way, the guy has helped bring the team 2 Lombardi's, finishing off the last one the Pats won with a game-sealing INT that he held onto. I think he has the right to hold the teams since then accountable.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Rodney is simply stating his opinion of a key final ingredient that this talented group needs in order to finish off the season with the Happy Ending we all so love.

 

[Ivan]

The main difference is Welker dropped a ball that hit him in the hands and Rodney was trying to dislodge a ball from a receiver that was not his man but, because of his on-field instincts, was there anyway to try to make the play. Either way, the guy has helped bring the team 2 Lombardi's, finishing off the last one the Pats won with a game-sealing INT that he held onto. I think he has the right to hold the teams since then accountable.

I guess this is where we disagree as i think they were accountable and really got the most out of those team's. Imo none of those teams were the best team's in football those seasons and actually milked it for all they could. The only one that didn't was the one who got clocked by the ravens, but even that team was not the best team in football that season, in short none of those teams have had a championship caliber defense and got as far as they could with what they had.

Could they have won another Lombardi, yes, should they have won another Lombardi, no, they simply didn't have a good enough team to expect that of them. As I said before this season is another story because they actually have a team that is good enough all the way around to expect a Championship from them, so if they are relatively healthy this play-off season and fall short then we can discuss accountability for them, whereas at least imo the team's they have fielded the past 4 years have actually gotten the most out of themselves.

 

[DaBruinz]

Hey Rodney we would have another SB if you hadn't let a never caught another pass JAG out physical you for a ball.

You seem to have overlooked the fact that it was Asante Samuel who got beat on that coverage and that the fact Harrison was able to get there to begin with was a miracle. Furthermore, the Ref even said that he should have blown Manning down as being "in the grasp" and didn't because he was just "amazed" that Manning didn't go down.

 

[DaBruinz]

I can show you one from last year:



Dez Bryant

That wasn't a "helmet catch". Bryant used his SHOULDER to secure the ball, not his helmet.

 

[DaBruinz]

Or if Samuel had tried for the INT.
Or if Hobbs covered Burress.
Or if Marooney didn't suck - 14 carries for 36 yds = 2.6 yac

Yes, it was Maroney's fault that the O-line had the FLU that day. ALL of them.. It's on record that Light had to receive IV fluids at half-time because of how sick he was.

I mean, it was Maroney's fault that the stunts and twists the Giants D-line was using was allowing them to get to Brady.

Hobbs had a torn groin. He was doing his best to cover Burress. But let's forget the TD catch that Samuel gave up. Who caught that? Oh yeah.. David Tyree.. DOH..

 

[Danger Zone]

You seem to have overlooked the fact that it was Asante Samuel who got beat on that coverage and that the fact Harrison was able to get there to begin with was a miracle. Furthermore, the Ref even said that he should have blown Manning down as being "in the grasp" and didn't because he was just "amazed" that Manning didn't go down.

Thats awesome man, I always suspected but never had anything to collaborate them.

That was the post-season where the refs were super fast to whistle a QB down and fast to call Roughing the Passer for taking a qb to the ground with any kind of force. According to everything we had seen up to that play from the refs, Manning should have bern whistled down.

 

[The Brandon Five]

And just for the record, had the Tyree catch been incomplete, the d/d would've been 4th/5, giving
the jints one last chance; the game would not have been over yet.

4th and 5 with about a minute to go on their own 44 with one timeout remaining (or maybe two, as the incompletion would have stopped the clock). So there was a chance, just not as much of a chance.

 

[Ivan]

Yes, it was Maroney's fault that the O-line had the FLU that day. ALL of them.. It's on record that Light had to receive IV fluids at half-time because of how sick he was.

I mean, it was Maroney's fault that the stunts and twists the Giants D-line was using was allowing them to get to Brady.

Maroney wasn't at fault in either case, the only thing he is to blame for is sucking.,

 

[Jlaff]

Technically, yes But you'll never get me to say those Giants were the best team that year. I'm not even sure they were one of the top 5 teams. Then again, I don't think we were the best team in 2001 either. Works both ways I suppose.

But that's the nature of the one-and-done play-off system. Some team gets hot at the right time and that's that.

I think the difference between those Giants teams and the Patriots of 2001 is the Pats proved they were not a fluke. They didn't mail it in for close to half the season, take the ultimate reward and proceed to sink back into mediocrity next year like those Giants. The Pats were a true emerging powerhouse, not lucky/hot at the right time.

I don't care what anyone says; and I still want another Lombardi, but those Giants teams of 07 and 11 took some small bit of the lustre away from sport's ultimate prize. More playoff teams won't help this.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

That wasn't a "helmet catch". Bryant used his SHOULDER to secure the ball, not his helmet.

Oh, so now we have a definition of 'helmet catch' do we? He caught the ball on his helmet. He is pushing it with his hand into his own helmet. Touching anything else doesn't change that fact. If it did, Tyree used both hands as he goes down with the ball, so you know what, not a helmet catch. Stop with the contrarian BS.

 

[PATS16N0]

Not a helmet catch.

There's only one butt fumble, and there's only one helmet catch.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

Not a helmet catch.

There's only one butt fumble, and there's only one helmet catch.

Wow. Great argument.

 

[PatriotReign]

Nevermind.

 

[patriot1136]

Did Light really have the flu in the 07 Super Bowl? I forgot about Stephen Neal getting hurt in that game too. Didn't realize Hobbs was playing hurt but either way that was a mismatch against Burress

 

[Kontradiction]

I guess this is where we disagree as i think they were accountable and really got the most out of those team's. Imo none of those teams were the best team's in football those seasons and actually milked it for all they could. The only one that didn't was the one who got clocked by the ravens, but even that team was not the best team in football that season, in short none of those teams have had a championship caliber defense and got as far as they could with what they had.

Could they have won another Lombardi, yes, should they have won another Lombardi, no, they simply didn't have a good enough team to expect that of them. As I said before this season is another story because they actually have a team that is good enough all the way around to expect a Championship from them, so if they are relatively healthy this play-off season and fall short then we can discuss accountability for them, whereas at least imo the team's they have fielded the past 4 years have actually gotten the most out of themselves.

I think what Rodney was basically saying is that in the dynasty years, you had guys that would get in each other's faces and hold one another accountable and they were missing that in these most recent teams. I agree that those teams were not the best in the NFL in those particular years (the 2011 defense was absolute trash and the 2010 version was not much better), but you could make the case that the 2001 team wasn't either and still took it home. I can accept Rodney's point. You have the GOAT QB and a GOAT canidate coach at your disposal and the job still hasn't gotten done in a decade in spite of numerous chances. Further, I would be fine seeing leaders corral players on the sidelines for "pep talks" the way Faulk, Rodney, Bruschi, etc. used to.

 

[Triumph]

Next time read a little further down.

Next time don't blame Harrison for picking up Samuels WR