Fixit
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
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What's ironic is that you're trying to call out "internet tough guys"... wait for it... over the internet.
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1. Never being on a team with a winning record should not fall entirely at the feet of Incognito. Using that logic, that's pretty much like saying that Fred Jackson has never been on a team with a winning record, so he's a loser. Never mind the fact that a lot of guys on this forum have wanted Jackson on this team for years.
2. I'm not using the fact that the players didn't defend Martin as a means of excusing the behavior. What I'm showing is that this ball busting may not have been as mean spirited as you think. I have a core group of friends that tosses around those kind of insults like candy (as I do with them), but it's not meant in a hurtful way. I have other friends where we're not on that level with one another just yet. I have black friends that I'm comfortable with using their race as a way to bust their balls while they use my Irish heritage as a way to bust mine. I have other black friends where I wouldn't even think of doing that. It's all about the company you keep at that time. Instead of letting Incognito know that he wasn't cool with it or breaking his face, Martin joined in under the guise of trying to fit in. As for the Dolphins' OL, they seem to be a tight knit group and this behavior seemed to be accepted in that locker room except for a couple of guys that are mentioned in the report.
3. Bountygate is irrelevant here. As for Martin, if you truly believe that this is wrong, then you should lay some blame at his feet as well. If he truly believed and knew that this was "wrong", and he did it just to fit in, then that is despicable. So what is it? It can only be one way or another. You can condemn Incognito for being a bully and a psychopath while, at the same time, excusing Martin because he was "just trying to fit in".
I LOL'ed at this. You had a solid thing going until this post. Have you ever met servicemen? How many of them do you know? They bust balls with one another MUCH worse than this. As a matter of fact, most of them that I have met make this look tame. DI's and gunnies do the same thing and used to do it much, much worse before "bullying" became the issue du jour.
I'm glad you lol'ed. Now feel free to argue that the military doesn't have official policies in place against discrimination and harassment.
Also, I served for eight years, so there's that.
The problem here is that no amount of evidence will make you take Incognito off of his "alpha-male" pedestal, and you won't diverge from your stance that systematically tormenting multiple people us just "ball-busting." The naked admiration you have for a guy who's done all that he has (that we know of) is disgusting.
Like I said, I hope you're never the person in a position to help someone weaker, because they're well and truly ****ed. Ignored.