Ted Wells' Assistant: Doesn't Matter Which Gauge Was Used

[upstater1]

Ted Wells' Assistant: Doesn't Matter Which Gauge Was Used


From the Appendix of the Wells Report:

All of these factors were found to contribute in varying degrees to changes in the internal pressure of footballs. However, given the magnitude of the temperature change that would have affected the footballs at halftime when they were brought from the field to the locker room, a key factor in explaining the difference in measurements between the Patriots and Colts footballs is timing; that is, the change in pressure with time as the footballs were brought from a colder environment (the field) to a warmer environment (the Officials Locker Room) at halftime.

If the Logo Gauge was used pre-game, the Patriots average halftime measurement will match the pressures predicted by the transient curves (with the Colts halftime measurements also matching the predicted range), but only if the testing of the Patriots balls began immediately once the footballs arrived in the Officials Locker Room at halftime and took no more than 4 minutes, and only if the majority of the Patriots game balls were wet.
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TRANSLATION: if the logo gauge was used pregame, there is no statistical discrepancy between the Patriots and Colts balls.

Apparently, Ted Wells' assistant thinks Peter King, Michael Silver, John Clayton, Adam Schefter, and a host of others are not only mind-numbingly stupid, but they also don't know how to read.

 

[50-yard-line]

What a monumental gaffe by Wells' assistant. They are going to get skewered over this.

 

[BelichickFan]

Scenario :

Son : Dad, we did a cool experiment today with deflating footballs, it was cool, the PSI at the end was 11.5.

Dad : That's interesting. What was the PSI at the start ?

Son : We don't know, the teacher said it doesn't matter:

Dad : What ???

 

[Marko]

He just knows that every idiot in the world of sports will repeat it, so it will become true.

 

[Marko]

Either that or he meant we were on retainer and would have gotten the five million regardless.

 

[tombonneau]

This is why you just keep your mouth shut and why you don't turn over your phone. You slip up and say something dumb and give yourself enough enough rope to hang yourself.

Wells had no upside only downside holding this call. Glad Kraft rattled his cages.

Now Blandino caught in bald face lie is all they need to seal the deal on this one.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The wetness of footballs, as we know, causes a pressure drop by expansion of the leather

Wet footballs brought into a warm environment at first experience, counter-intuitively, a further drop in pressure due to the phenomenon of evaporative cooling.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715

Wet footballs will not follow the curves shown in the Wells report. They will drop in pressure a little more, until they are somewhat dry, and then they will warm up and the pressure will rise.

Playing football in a downpour is also not mimicked by their spray bottle spritz test.

The change in pressure over time will not be linear, it is likely even partly bell-shaped: down, then up. And the testing of the Patriots footballs would have been in this non-linear part of the real pressure/time graph.

For them to say that choosing to throw out half of the data, and then choosing WHICH half to throw out (so that the one remaining best fits their story, even if it goes against the memory of the ref)

had no effect on their analysis

is just flat out SLEAZY.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

lorin reisner is not ted wells' assistant. he's a PARTNER at paul weiss. This makes it looks a lot worse.

 

[upstater1]

The wetness of footballs, as we know, causes a pressure drop by expansion of the leather

Wet footballs brought into a warm environment at first experience, counter-intuitively, a further drop in pressure due to the phenomenon of evaporative cooling.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715

Wet footballs will not follow the curves shown in the Wells report. They will drop in pressure a little more, until they are somewhat dry, and then they will warm up and the pressure will rise.

Playing football in a downpour is also not mimicked by their spray bottle spritz test.

The change in pressure over time will not be linear, it is likely even partly bell-shaped: down, then up. And the testing of the Patriots footballs would have been in this non-linear part of the real pressure/time graph.

For them to say that choosing to throw out half of the data, and then choosing WHICH half to throw out (so that the one remaining best fits their story, even if it goes against the memory of the ref)

had no effect on their analysis

is just flat out SLEAZY.

If you look at the quote above, the Wells scientists agree with you. They are looking at it in terms of a transient curve. In other words, the logo gauge means there is nothing amiss, according to them.

 

[Froob]

Does it say how many times Bird was interviewed in the report?

 

[festy1986]

If it doesn't matter then why did wells goto great lengths to discredit Anderson on which one he actually used?

More ammo for the good guys. Thanks buddy.

 

[DefenseRules]

I find it very interesting that Wells and his crew keep talking. Why so defensive? You stand by your report let it speak for itself.

 

[reflexblue]

Yeah sure dude, anything you say. oh btw...

 

[Dr Pain]

lorin reisner is not ted wells' assistant. he's a PARTNER at paul weiss. This makes it looks a lot worse.

Feel free to educate him on their mistakes. It seems like they need some advice on how these things work.

[email protected] and [email protected]

reisner is a former SEC (Securities and Exchange) guy so I have no idea why he would even be involved.

 

[Ivan]

I find it very interesting that Wells and his crew keep talking. Why so defensive? You stand by your report let it speak for itself.

Wells is used to polite applause anytime he pisses, the idea of being rebuked on national TV is really offensive to him. In other words he's really going to hate the sh.tstorm heading his way. He's going to look like he's actually just an actor playing lawyer when Kessler gets done with that report. He's apparently so deluded that he thought he could get away with this.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The wetness of footballs, as we know, causes a pressure drop by expansion of the leather

Wet footballs brought into a warm environment at first experience, counter-intuitively, a further drop in pressure due to the phenomenon of evaporative cooling.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-scientist-050715

Wet footballs will not follow the curves shown in the Wells report. They will drop in pressure a little more, until they are somewhat dry, and then they will warm up and the pressure will rise.

Playing football in a downpour is also not mimicked by their spray bottle spritz test.

The change in pressure over time will not be linear, it is likely even partly bell-shaped: down, then up. And the testing of the Patriots footballs would have been in this non-linear part of the real pressure/time graph.

For them to say that choosing to throw out half of the data, and then choosing WHICH half to throw out (so that the one remaining best fits their story, even if it goes against the memory of the ref)

had no effect on their analysis

is just flat out SLEAZY.

When Brady sues the holy hell out of the league, I hope you're called as an expert witness.

 

[Ross12]

Here's the complete statement by Lorin Reisner:

Reisner: Sure, let me just start by saying the question of which gauge was used by Walt Anderson to test the pressure of the Patriots and Colts balls before the game, it just doesn’t affect any of the ultimate conclusions of the scientific consultants. The differences in pressure drops between the balls of the two teams was found by them to be statistically significant, regardless of the gauges used to test the balls and to test them at halftime and Exponent addressed multiple gauge scenarios in evaluating the statistical significance. It’s in their report at pages five through 12 and their statistical model accounted for the possibility of either gauge being used prior to the game and that’s in their report at appendix A and we set forth in our report at page 10 that according to Exponent, regardless, regardless of the assumptions made with respect to the gauges used pregame and at halftime, the measurements recorded for the Patriots game balls at halftime cannot be entirely explained by the ideal gas law when applied to the most likely game conditions and circumstances and Exponent also concluded that the difference in magnitude and reduction of air pressure between the Patriots and Colts footballs based on halftime measurements was statistically significant and Dr. Marlow, our expert from Princeton, entirely agreed with Exponent’s conclusions. when you look at the report, Exponent controlled for any uncertainty as to which gauge was used. They conduct their transient experiments and game day simulations by testing two separate scenarios, one assuming the non-logo gauge was used, and one assuming the logo gauge was used. And that’s what they report at pages 47 to 55, 57 to 61, and in their executive summary. The conclusion that Walt Anderson was most likely using the non-logo gauge was based on a variety of factors including thousands of tests by Exponent that showed that the non-logo gauge read a lower and the logo gauge read anywhere from 3.5 to 4 PSI higher and the reports by both the Patriots that they set their balls at around 12.5 and the Colts set their balls around 13 and Walt Anderson memory that the balls were set when he looked at them pregame that the target for the Patriots was 12.5 and the target for the Colts was 13. That is most consistent with him using the non-logo gauge pregame and that was an important part of our analysis. But as I said, I said at the beginning, it doesn’t matter because regardless of which gauges were used the scientific consultants addressed all of the permutations in their analysis.

 

[Ross12]

So what's being stated here is that the difference between the Pats and Colts balls is statistically significant, which could just as likely point to Colts tampering as it does Pats tampering. But as we all know the fix was in.

I also appreciate their reasoning for why they disregarded Anderson's recollection on which gauge was used: "Well, the Pats wanted their balls at 12.5 and the Colts at 13.0 and Anderson says that's what he measured, but the Logo gauge would have been incorrect so then he definitely used the Non-Logo gauge"... WTF? So basically they're saying that the Logo gauge couldn't have been used because it would've given incorrect numbers. This reasoning makes zero sense.

 

[upstater1]

So what's being stated here is that the difference between the Pats and Colts balls is statistically significant, which could just as likely point to Colts tampering as it does Pats tampering. But as we all know the fix was in.

I also appreciate their reasoning for why they disregarded Anderson's recollection on which gauge was used: "Well, the Pats wanted their balls at 12.5 and the Colts at 13.0 and Anderson says that's what he measured, but the Logo gauge would have been incorrect so then he definitely used the Non-Logo gauge"... WTF? So basically they're saying that the Logo gauge couldn't have been used because it would've given incorrect numbers. This reasoning makes zero sense.

Ross, the post you quoted by Lorin Reisner goes entirely against what the Wells report says.

I quoted the Wells Report in the very first post in this thread.

It entirely debunks what Reisner said.

Which begs the question: why in the world doesn't a member of the Wells team even know what the Wells report said??????

This is beyond beyond beyond comprehension.

Reisner is contradicting the Wells report.

And his explanation about Anderson and the non-logoed gauge is incomprehensible. Can anyone explain what he is saying?

 

[The Gr8est]

Wells is used to polite applause anytime he pisses, the idea of being rebuked on national TV is really offensive to him. In other words he's really going to hate the sh.tstorm heading his way. He's going to look like he's actually just an actor playing lawyer when Kessler gets done with that report. He's apparently so deluded that he thought he could get away with this.

Well this time he has a pissed off fan base that has been majorly screwed over by the league before. We've had a lot of practice in researching things as a result of CameraPlacementGate.

If any media types poke their heads in here, as I suspect some did, they got armed with information they wouldn't have gotten from a "virgin" fanbase.