What's up with all this Brady is declining crap??

[ausbacker]

There have been more times this season than I'd rather count when:

Brady is not being pressured, and the receivers are in their routes, where
1. Brady makes absolutely wrong read, and misses a guy open behind the defense or
2. Brady throws it to open guy but the ball is too high, too far behind receiver, or way too far in front of receiver or
3. Brady makes a throw and the ball lands in the middle of nowhere

In addition his movement in the pocket is nowhere near as deadly as it used to be

Am I saying Brady is showing his age? Not necessarily I'm saying this is easily Brady's worst season in a decade, the reasons why this is happening are endless, but you have your head up your ass if you believe one of the reasons MIGHT NOT BE because of age

I'm not sure why anyone would say Brady isn't playing well this season because he isn't. I am sure Brady would be the first to admit it. The bigger issue is the whole offense appears to be disjointed and dysfunctional at present.

 

[upstater1]

Dobson should have at least 3 more TDs where Brady has overthrown him. Same with that Amendola overthrow vs Saints...was a HUGE miss

Can you cite when these TDs to Dobson should have happened? I only seem to remember 1.

 

[upstater1]

I think most of Brady's struggles are mental. In other words he doesn't trust his receivers and he is either waiting longer then he normally would to make sure the receiver is going they are supposed to and then gunning it in; or he is throwing it so far away from the defender that his own player doesn't have a good chance at it.

I was saying the opposite in my post. I was saying we don't have receivers that are doing what Decker and Jackson do for their guys, or heck, Luck's receivers too. You see one inaccurate ball after another from Peyton. Complete, complete, complete. Luck too. Throws up some gimme balls. Our guys can't grab them.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Management should be blamed as well. I haven't been impress with the way they handle their business during the off season. This to be expected, Brady lost too many weapons, no one seriously thought that it was going to be the same offense. At the same time, Brady needs to start making nfl throws and his receivers have to make nfl catches.

 

[Observer]

I think most of Brady's struggles are mental. In other words he doesn't trust his receivers and he is either waiting longer then he normally would to make sure the receiver is going they are supposed to and then gunning it in; or he is throwing it so far away from the defender that his own player doesn't have a good chance at it.

I think this boils it down pretty well. Brady is really good at limiting interceptions, there is really none better in the NFL at this than him. But the natural by-product of this is that you don't see him tossing up those "up for grabs" balls that we see the likes of the Mannings and Flacco throw up where the receiver has the time to adjust, jump and make the play.

I mean look at Manning's passes - lobbed balls that stay up in the air for ever and allow plenty of time for the receiver to actually go and get it. To do that though, you do need receivers that you can trust will win the catch - doesn't work so well when your most reliable one is shorter than every single DB out there. He could probably take that risk once in a while but why change the aspect of his game that is his strongest point and one that has got us so far all these years.

All we can do is hope for the best. The receivers need to get to the right places and Brady needs to hit them with consistent accuracy. If absolutely everythings goes right, hopefully they catch it.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I still wonder if the lack of Tom Martinez has something to do with this. I know Brady still uses a mechanics coach, but it's not the guy he used for ages.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I still wonder if the lack of Tom Martinez has something to do with this. I know Brady still uses a mechanics coach, but it's not the guy he used for ages.

While Martinez was a great QB guru I wonder how much Brady's issues might have to do with injury, especially considering how many times he's been hit lately.

 

[Deus Irae]

Today, the Patriots quarterback, whose completion rate is a pedestrian 55.4 percent, was asked if he felt his mechanics were good. The response?

''Yeah, I feel really good,'' Brady said.

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald


Mechanics there: Check
Accuracy with Amendola, pre re-injury (10/14): Check
Accuracy with Edelman (46/68): Check


It's almost as if there's a problem somewhere that's not Tom Brady.....

 

[Deus Irae]

So when assessing the struggles of the team's offense, Mankins didn't dance around the issue. It's not all on the offensive line, but when the unit plays like it did in the third quarter of last Sunday's 30-27 loss to the Jets, it's simply not good enough.

"It's not all on us, but there is enough of it that is on us. The perfect example is the other night. We come out in the third quarter -- sack, sack -- a lot of that was on us. Mental assignments, guys just getting beat," Mankins said of the quarter in which the Jets took control of the game, erasing a 21-10 halftime deficit. "Whenever the line is not playing well, it's hard to score points."

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/66330/logan-mankins-lapses-hurting-o-line

 

[borg]

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald


Mechanics there: Check
Accuracy with Amendola, pre re-injury (10/14): Check
Accuracy with Edelman (46/68): Check


It's almost as if there's a problem somewhere that's not Tom Brady.....

Accuracy with Gronk...47%. Guess you'll blame Gronk

 

[Sicilian]

Logan Mankins: Lapses hurting offensive line - ESPN

I don't think it's a coincidence that the OL was awful in the 3rd quarter, then we caught a sideline shot of Mankins ripping them all a new one, followed by a 4th quarter where the OL suddenly stabilized. Seems to indicate that it was not the signal caller causing the offense to stumble.

 

[Sicilian]

Accuracy with Gronk...47%. Guess you'll blame Gronk

Brady's not blameless. One of the more frustrating plays I can remember was a 3rd and 3 where Brady tossed up a jump ball 15 yards downfield to Gronk and I thought, "With all the options on a 3rd and short, your best play is to toss a 50/50 ball to a guy playing his first game in 10 months?"

But given that it WAS Gronk's first game back in almost a year, I'm not going to automatically blame Brady for that percentage. I'm more inclined to blame him for possibly targeting him too often, but even then (with no Amendola), his other targets aren't exactly reliable.

 

[upstater1]

Accuracy with Gronk...47%. Guess you'll blame Gronk

He played half a game with Gronk.

Gronk lost one in the sun, couldn't come down with another. The difference between 47% and 60% is 2 throws.

But really, we need more than one game to see what's going on between Brady and Gronk. Especially since it was the first game back since forever. 2 throws doesn't make a season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Accuracy with Gronk...47%. Guess you'll blame Gronk

Gronk: first game back from surgery, having missed the entire season up to that point.



Seriously, think before you post. It'll open up a whole new world for you.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the OL was awful in the 3rd quarter, then we caught a sideline shot of Mankins ripping them all a new one, followed by a 4th quarter where the OL suddenly stabilized. Seems to indicate that it was not the signal caller causing the offense to stumble.

Yeah.... In order for a QB to be at his best, he needs a line to protect him, a solid running game w/RBs who can protect him and can catch the ball, and a receiving corps that can consistently run routes correctly and get open in timely fashion.

Other than having some semblance of a running game, Brady's had none of that this season, yet this board is going all out with the attempts to make it seem as if the problems are Brady/McDaniels. It's as if all the offseason threads discussing the potential problems at WR/TE/3rd down RB/interior OL never existed.

 

[simpletruth]

Haven't read all the posts, but being new here it struck me that I will expect to encounter people unable to accept simple truth and reality. All players age and decline. ALL OF THEM. So this question in this post is really really odd. Of course Brady is going to decline. It happens. That's life. That's reality.

Right now as of this moment his qb rating is below Matt Schaub (mr pick 6) and Mike Glennon. What does that tell you? It doesn't tell you that he is playing at peak performance, that is for sure.

Expecting him to be the same or be better as he ages is living in a world of delusion. Peyton has gotten off to a smoking start that would give someone the notion he is just as good as always or getting better or something. Just watch him play, that is not the case. Peyton is aging as well, what really shows in players that age is as the season goes on, their age makes each successive game harder. Peyton has already had a big drop off in the last two games from the first 5.

What the great ones do to perform at a high level as they age is they make up for their lost physical abilities with their improved mental acuity in understanding the game.

This is what Peyton is doing. His ability to throw the ball has dropped off significantly, but he somehow even managed to throw a flutter ball for a touchdown against the Colts.

I have been sharing this thought elsewhere and now I will here, the issue with Tom is Bill has been way way too arrogant in his handling of the personnel of the team and the game planning whereby he has built up an environment with the team that relies on Tom to be at his best for the team to succeed.

This in turn has put an inordinate and unnecessary amount of pressure on Tom's shoulders which causes Tom to have issues no one really sees during blow outs and winning many regular season games against lesser opponents.

It arises in the close games against equal competition and in big late season games and in the playoffs.

Last year Tom with one possession in the red zone against the Ravens Tom threw 4 consecutive inaccurate passes. Now is this because Tom is an inaccurate QB? Of course not. I believe it is because Tom felt far too much intense pressure all game (it being a close game at home) to be the hero and the one to pull the game out. It was all on his shoulders. The defense was not going to make a big play and there was not going to be any big play in the running game.

Tom knew it was all on him and he pressed. HARD. When you feel this intense pressure you are going to press and make mistakes you otherwise wouldn't. Tom of today is not the relaxed confident Tom of years past.

Anyway, just my opinion.

 

[RIpats88]

I'm interested to see how Aaron Rodgers does this week throwing to jordy nelson and a bunch of nobodies..if he doesn't have a spectacular game..I wonder if he is declining?

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm interested to see how Aaron Rodgers does this week throwing to jordy nelson and a bunch of nobodies..if he doesn't have a spectacular game..I wonder if he is declining?

Nelson is still twice as good as any WR we currently have on staff.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm interested to see how Aaron Rodgers does this week throwing to jordy nelson and a bunch of nobodies..if he doesn't have a spectacular game..I wonder if he is declining?

Aaron Rodgers:

2011: 68.3% completions

2012: 67.2% completions

2013: 65.0% completions


2011: 45 TDs

2012: 39 TDs

2013: 13 TDs (on pace for 35 TDs)


2011: 6 INTs

2012: 8 INTs

2013: 4: INTs (on pace for 11 INTs)



2011: 9.0 TD%, 1.2 INT%

2012: 7.1 TD%, 1.4 INT%

2013: 5.9 TD%, 1.8 INT%


2011: 122.5 QB rating

2012: 108.0 QB rating

2013: 104.5 QB rating



Aaron Rodgers must be all washed up .....

 

[IllegalContact]

fumble says hello

fumble also says that brady is not declining, at least his physical skills aren't

it is very possible that his confidence has declined a bit, but with his history, it should not matter, he needs to not worry and work to have the development of the new WR's be his 'mr. hollands opus'

as a HOF shoo-in, all he has left is to make stars out of some guys who started a bit rough around the edges.

he has gronk back and I give it 2-3 weeks after vereen returns and this offense will be pretty close to where it was last year, lower percentage, but the ability to blow the top off

this is all fumble has to say about this