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Didn't he do that this past April?
Using a #2....how optimistic are you? Time will tell
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Using a #2....how optimistic are you? Time will tell
Is it a problem? What's the league average for 2 and 3rd round picks playing 3+ years or being starters or pro bowls? Cant really look at it in a vacuum and say its a problem when overall the team has been a super bowl contender just about every year since 01, won 3 and has been to 5.
His midget quick twitch DB formula is a fail. WRs are getting bigger yet BB maintained his 3 cone lust. He finally woke up and found physical DBs that can challenge both on the line and on the field. It appears he has seen the light.
Now he must pull a reversal and find a quick twitch speed LB because his LB corp is lumbering out there in coverage. The Pats LBs have been fortunate they've only faced rookie passers so far
I was only actually referring to the defensive players taken in rounds 2 or 3 over the last 5 years, but it is sort of comical that not one poster has even answered the OP question, which is what do you think the problem is that causes Belichick to miss on these 2nd and 3rd round defensive picks? I am not saying Belichick is a bad GM or for that matter I am not labeling him in anyway, I am asking fellow members if they have any reasoning for the poor picks in these rounds during this timeframe.
I do have make 1 point in response to what I perceive to be you saying it is not a problem because we’ve gone to super bowls, which is we have Tom Brady the best QB in the history of the NFL he covers up a lot of mistakes so if it is a problem someone who determines things solely on super bowl appearances is likely not to notice whether it is a problem or not.
Furthermore we have not won a super bowl in nearly a decade, and the 2 we’ve gone to in the last 5 years were on the right shoulder of Tom Brady and were lost because of the play of the defense when it came time to step up, so yes it is a problem, it’s a huge problem because Brady is getting us places and giving us opportunities and we’re unable to make the most of them opportunities.
All players drafted in the second or third round by the patriots over the last 5 years:You missed my point, the draft is a crap shoot, how many 2nd and 3rd rounder's become regulars? Also he's usually picking at the bottom of the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Cold hard football facts did a study and their conclusion was the Pats had the best draft this past decade.
I think you are trying to raise a legitimate question, but could you re-write your second paragraph in English, please?I was only actually referring to the defensive players taken in rounds 2 or 3 over the last 5 years, but it is sort of comical that not one poster has even answered the OP question, which is what do you think the problem is that causes Belichick to miss on these 2nd and 3rd round defensive picks? I am not saying Belichick is a bad GM or for that matter I am not labeling him in anyway, I am asking fellow members if they have any reasoning for the poor picks in these rounds during this timeframe.
I do have make 1 point in response to what I perceive to be you saying it is not a problem because we’ve gone to super bowls, which is we have Tom Brady the best QB in the history of the NFL he covers up a lot of mistakes so if it is a problem someone who determines things solely on super bowl appearances is likely not to notice whether it is a problem or not.
Furthermore we have not won a super bowl in nearly a decade, and the 2 we’ve gone to in the last 5 years were on the right shoulder of Tom Brady and were lost because of the play of the defense when it came time to step up, so yes it is a problem, it’s a huge problem because Brady is getting us places and giving us opportunities and we’re unable to make the most of them opportunities.
Yup. BB didn't make good picks.
What about every other GM/team?
This list means nothing without a comparison. Nothing is graded on an absolute scale in team sports.
Key number there of why Belichick trades down:2010 – 2012 these are the primary starter rates by round league wide:
Round 1
96 players
75 primary starters
78% rate
Round 2
95 players
59 primary starters
59% rate
Round 3
100 players
36 primary starters
36% rate
Not including the 3 nonstarters selected this year on the defensive side of the ball 9% of defensive players selected by Belichick in the last 5 years is a primary starter on this team, if you add in this seasons picks it drops to 7%.
Source: 2010-2012 NFL Drafts: Team-By-Team Draft Success In First Three Rounds - Blogging The Boys
I think you are trying to raise a legitimate question, but could you re-write your second paragraph in English, please?
Key number there of why Belichick trades down:
T-14th in "Primary starter success rate"
1st in number of picks over the first three rounds
T-4th in "Primary starters"
It's amazing what happens when you have an average rate but more chances. You don't make a good team based on what percentage of your picks are good. You make a team based on how many good players you pick.
I still think this is a flawed statistic (for many reasons) and it's flawed to pick one group of players to compare to the overall percentage, but it still shows why Belichick's drafting is underrated by many.
I have the highest regard for Belichick, if someone asked me to name a public figure I idolized it would likely be him that said I cannot ignore that he is doing something wrong in the second and third rounds of the draft in the last 5 years when he drafts defensive players.
• 08’ second round selection Terrence Wheatley was released during the 2010 season.
• 08’ third round selection Shaun Crable was released prior to the 2010 season.
• 09’ second round selection Pat Chung not resigned after spending last season as third on the depth chart.
• 09’ second round selection Ron Brace was released during last season.
• 09’ second round selection Darius Butler was released prior to the 11’ season.
• 09’ third round selection Tyrone McKenzie was released prior to the 10’ season.
• 10’ second round selection Jermaine Cunningham was waived injured in the preseason.
• 10’ second round selection Brandon Spikes has two tackles in 47 defensive snaps.
• 11’ second round selection Ras-I Dowling was released in preseason.
• 12’ second round selection Tavon Wilson has played one defensive snap.
• 12’ third round selection Jake Bequette has not played a defensive snap.
• 13’ second round selection Jamie Collins has played six defensive snaps.
• 13’ third round selection Logan Ryan has played two defensive snaps.
• 13’ third rounder selection Duron Harmon has played eight defensive snaps.
The only notable player is Spikes, who to this point provided an inconsistent performance over his tenure even when contributing. It just seems like Belichick and his staff are missing something, what do you all think it is?
Notice: There still is time for the 12’ and 13’ picks to become good draft selections.
just to add from an old post I did...
other prev. secondary busts:
1.Butler CB (2nd round)-gone.
2.Merriweather S (1st)-gone!
3.Wilhite CB (4th)-gone
4. Wheatley CB (2nd)-gone
5.McGowan S (CHI)-gone
6. Sanders S -gone!
7. Bodden (DET(- gone!
8. McCourty CB (1)- ACTIVE
9. Dowling CB (Top 2nd)- OUT
10. Chung S