Marcus Cannon

[BlueThunder]

I don't believe cap space will be a problem next season. They should have enough to re-sign Vollmer,Welker,Edelman,Woodhead and Talib and any others they might want.

From Bleacher Report Site:



According to Spotrac.com, the Patriots 2012 cap hit is at $106,632,966, which takes into account $94,491,221 of active contracts (base salaries and bonuses), $18,801,745 in dead money and $6,660,000 in cap rollover. With this year's salary cap at $120.6 million, this means the Patriots should carry over about $14 million in cap space next year.

NYJetscap.com, which projects future cap hits for all AFC east teams, projects the Patriots coming in at about $100 million against the cap in 2013. Considering the projected 2013 salary cap of $120.9 (per ESPN) and the possible $14 million the Pats can carry over into 2013, the Patriots should sit pretty comfortably at about $35 million under the cap.
The Pats should have the cap space to keep their team among the most talented in the NFL in 2013.

FA's 2013:

Julian Edelman
Aqib Talib
Sebastian Vollmer
Wes Welker


Kyle Arrington
Ron Brace
Patrick Chung
Marquice Cole
Marcus Harrison
Michael Hoomanawanui
Niko Koutouvides
Derrick Martin
Nick McDonald
Mitch Petrus
Trevor Scott
Donald Thomas
Tracy White
Danny Woodhead

 

[p8ryts]

Why do you hope Cannon can take over the RT job? Have you given up on Vollmer, who's been having a Pro Bowl season?

Cannon did great. I'm not ready to make him my RT against JJ Watt and the Texans just yet. Vollmer's the man for that job. And yes, I want Kyle Long, with Lane Johnson my backup option at swing tackle.

What's the fascination with Long?

 

[mayoclinic]

What's the fascination with Long?

He's been a board sleeper and uber-binky for months now, before he was a starter for Oregon:

- Howie Long's son. Started as a pitcher for Florida St., dropped out due to academic and alcohol issues, got his act together, transferred to a small school and took up football.
- Howie calls him the 'best athlete in the family". He's got prototypical size at 6'7" 310# and is very rugged and physical, as well as having nice footwork and athleticism. Plays with a nasty streak.
- He's technically a bit raw but is improving remarkably quickly - sort of the OT version of Ziggy Ansah. He has appeared dominant at times. He's gone from being entirely off the radar of most draft boards (not necessarily pro scouts, however) to getting some major attention. Tony Pauline has gone so far as to predict he'll end up being a 2nd round pick, though that seems a bit aggressive.

He has the size, athleticism, nastiness and bloodlines to make him a perfect Scar pupil, so he's achieved Barwinesque status on the draft board for some.

 

[shmessy]

Vollmer is 28 and having a pro bowl-like season. He's got years ahead of him.

We don't have to worry about Cannon taking over unless Vollmer stars missing a lot of time too csstently.

I'll eat my words from preseason if Cannon's development continues but I'd still rather see him at RG. Right now there's no starting spot open for him when all our guys are healthy.

If Wendell hadn't payed like he as been, I'd b calling for Connolly at Center with Cannon at RG.

I like Wendell plenty, but given one more year seasoning for Cannon: Solder-Mankins-Connolly-Cannon-Vollmer would be a monster-roadgrading line next year. Can you imagine THAT line blocking for Ridley/Vereen/Bolden/Woodhead/Demps??????

Wendell-Thomas-Developmental Tackle(or McDonald) would be the battle-hardened and capable backups.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

That was encouraging, the line seems in great shape for the future even post Mankins. You have Seabass and Solder at T. Inside Connolly, Wendell, McDonald, and Cannon, who can also sub at T.

 

[mgteich]

Let's review your arithmetic: $14M carryover; $21M under for 2013; $35M enough to sign everyone.

$14M CARRYOVER
Where did you get that number. I have it closer to ZERO carryover, although a small amout is certainly possible. The cap page has the number at $6.85M. We will still have additional
expenses this year, if anyone goes to IR, and with the constant shuffling of the roster. All this is normal. In addition, there are bonuses to pay out of that money.

$21M UNDER FOR 2013
$5M is simply needed to sign players for $500K each to fill the roster, since we currently have only 43 signed. At least $6M is usually needed for the incremental cost of rookies, for IR players, for the Practice Squad, and for in-season transactions. That leaves us with $10M available.

$35M ENOUGH FOR ALL THE PLAYERS
First of all, the total I came to was $10M, although I understand that it could be $15M.

Some of the players re-signed or signed in free agency to replace the players below won't be much more than the $500K per player I indicated for the 10 additional players. UDFA's would be even less.

So, who do we "really" need to re-sign or replace from your list. Draftees will fill some of the spots, perhaps replacing some of those already included in the 43 signed players. While this is a manageable list, I don't think that we will sign the top four (Welker, Edelman, Vollmer and Taolib_ and still have money left over to meet the rest of the needs.

#1 WR: WELKER
#3 WR and PR: EDELMAN
#4 WR (could be an inexpensive free agent, but this will cost something)
#1 CB: TALIB
#3 CB: ARRINGTON
#4 CB: COLE
RT: VOLLMER
back OL's: THOMAS, McDONALD
DE/LB: SCOTT
LB: the coverage LB we don't have

If we allocate $5M for mid-level free agents and JAG's and $6M to rookies, Practice Squad and injury replacements, we would have $10M for the top four. There is lots of work to do.

If you think that the $5M for mid-level replacements is unreasonable, consider that $4.750M is the cost of Cole, Scott, Arrington and Thomas. This doesn't count the cost of players now gone and not currently under contract.

I don't believe cap space will be a problem next season. They should have enough to re-sign Vollmer,Welker,Edelman,Woodhead and Talib and any others they might want.

From Bleacher Report Site:



According to Spotrac.com, the Patriots 2012 cap hit is at $106,632,966, which takes into account $94,491,221 of active contracts (base salaries and bonuses), $18,801,745 in dead money and $6,660,000 in cap rollover. With this year's salary cap at $120.6 million, this means the Patriots should carry over about $14 million in cap space next year.

NYJetscap.com, which projects future cap hits for all AFC east teams, projects the Patriots coming in at about $100 million against the cap in 2013. Considering the projected 2013 salary cap of $120.9 (per ESPN) and the possible $14 million the Pats can carry over into 2013, the Patriots should sit pretty comfortably at about $35 million under the cap.
The Pats should have the cap space to keep their team among the most talented in the NFL in 2013.

FA's 2013:

Julian Edelman
Aqib Talib
Sebastian Vollmer
Wes Welker


Kyle Arrington
Ron Brace
Patrick Chung
Marquice Cole
Marcus Harrison
Michael Hoomanawanui
Niko Koutouvides
Derrick Martin
Nick McDonald
Mitch Petrus
Trevor Scott
Donald Thomas
Tracy White
Danny Woodhead

 

[BlueThunder]

Not my arithmetic tho. I got it from Bleacher Report and this site.

New England Patriots - 2012 Cap Hits



I'm not a cap guru by any means.


"According to Spotrac.com, the Patriots 2012 cap hit is at $106,632,966, which takes into account $94,491,221 of active contracts (base salaries and bonuses), $18,801,745 in dead money and $6,660,000 in cap rollover. With this year's salary cap at $120.6 million, this means the Patriots should carry over about $14 million in cap space next year."

 

[Sciz]

Oh, that explains things. As far as I can tell, Spotrac doesn't get any special information. They just piece together what the media reports. People don't realize and treat their numbers like they're exactly right.

They're the PFF of contract info, if you will. Somebody without any special training being treated like an expert in the field because they provide knowledge that people are too lazy to do themselves.

 

[patfanken]

Let's review your arithmetic: $14M carryover; $21M under for 2013; $35M enough to sign everyone.

$14M CARRYOVER
Where did you get that number. I have it closer to ZERO carryover, although a small amout is certainly possible. The cap page has the number at $6.85M. We will still have additional
expenses this year, if anyone goes to IR, and with the constant shuffling of the roster. All this is normal. In addition, there are bonuses to pay out of that money.

$21M UNDER FOR 2013
$5M is simply needed to sign players for $500K each to fill the roster, since we currently have only 43 signed. At least $6M is usually needed for the incremental cost of rookies, for IR players, for the Practice Squad, and for in-season transactions. That leaves us with $10M available.

$35M ENOUGH FOR ALL THE PLAYERS
First of all, the total I came to was $10M, although I understand that it could be $15M.

Some of the players re-signed or signed in free agency to replace the players below won't be much more than the $500K per player I indicated for the 10 additional players. UDFA's would be even less.

So, who do we "really" need to re-sign or replace from your list. Draftees will fill some of the spots, perhaps replacing some of those already included in the 43 signed players. While this is a manageable list, I don't think that we will sign the top four (Welker, Edelman, Vollmer and Taolib_ and still have money left over to meet the rest of the needs.

#1 WR: WELKER
#3 WR and PR: EDELMAN
#4 WR (could be an inexpensive free agent, but this will cost something)
#1 CB: TALIB
#3 CB: ARRINGTON
#4 CB: COLE
RT: VOLLMER
back OL's: THOMAS, McDONALD
DE/LB: SCOTT
LB: the coverage LB we don't have

If we allocate $5M for mid-level free agents and JAG's and $6M to rookies, Practice Squad and injury replacements, we would have $10M for the top four. There is lots of work to do.

If you think that the $5M for mid-level replacements is unreasonable, consider that $4.750M is the cost of Cole, Scott, Arrington and Thomas. This doesn't count the cost of players now gone and not currently under contract.

Regardless of how the season ends, the Pats are going to have to be VERY busy this March with their own FAs

In a list of importance, this is what the Pats are going to have to do.

1. Redo Tom Brady's contract, spread his money over more years than he'll ever play and lower that $20MM cap hit that's due next season

2. Re-sign Volmer, Talib, and Edelman

3. Make your final pitch to Welker and quickly make a final decision. He has to fish or cut bait. One way or the other, I'd want a final decision on Welker by the first week of March.

4. Make final decisions on the 2nd tier FA's like Arrington, Woodhead, Thomas, McDonald, Brace, Cole, Petrus etc

5. Walk away from Chung, Scott, Hoomanawanui and White

6. In FA at Jarius Byrd to replace Chung at S - as good as Chung in run support, better in coveragel. Either Connor Barwin or Micheal Johnson would be my DL targets. And of course, Danny Ammendola if I couldn't work things out with Welker.

A Secondary of Talib, Dowling, Dennard, and Arrington/Draft pick at CB and McCourty Byrd, Gregory and Wilson at Safety with McCourty at CB depth is the kind of secondary you could base a "dominant" defense on.

Adding either a Barwin, or Johnson to our existing front 7 would give us another impact rusher. Personally I'd prefer Johnson because he could be used as in inside rusher, as well as in a 3-4 DE capacity. And don't forget we get back Dane Fletcher as a coverage LB next season.

Now think about an OL of Solder, Mankins (Healthy) Connolly, Cannon, and Volmer, with Thomas, Wendell and McDonald for Depth.

Think about Gronk and Hernandez at TE, with Fells Ballard, and Shiancoe fighting for the last 2 slots

Think about a WR groupl of Welker/Ammendola, Edelman, Lloyd, and High draft pick (with the TE and RB receiving options we only carry 5 WR's including Slater

Think about a RB corp of Ridley, Vareen, Boldin, Demps and Woodhead/FB - Hard choice of Woody or a FB type

Now THAT is the makings of on dominant team. An offense that is actually better and deeper than this year, simply because of health Plus the very scary thought of that offense being matched up with the beginning of what could be the start of dominant defense.

This is a team that could finish the deal we started in 2007.....with a little bit of luck.

OOPS, I'm rambling again

 

[1%er]

Regardless of how the season ends, the Pats are going to have to be VERY busy this March with their own FAs

In a list of importance, this is what the Pats are going to have to do.

1. Redo Tom Brady's contract, spread his money over more years than he'll ever play and lower that $20MM cap hit that's due next season

2. Re-sign Volmer, Talib, and Edelman

3. Make your final pitch to Welker and quickly make a final decision. He has to fish or cut bait. One way or the other, I'd want a final decision on Welker by the first week of March.

4. Make final decisions on the 2nd tier FA's like Arrington, Woodhead, Thomas, McDonald, Brace, Cole, Petrus etc

5. Walk away from Chung, Scott, Hoomanawanui and White

6. In FA at Jarius Byrd to replace Chung at S - as good as Chung in run support, better in coveragel. Either Connor Barwin or Micheal Johnson would be my DL targets. And of course, Danny Ammendola if I couldn't work things out with Welker.

A Secondary of Talib, Dowling, Dennard, and Arrington/Draft pick at CB and McCourty Byrd, Gregory and Wilson at Safety with McCourty at CB depth is the kind of secondary you could base a "dominant" defense on.

Adding either a Barwin, or Johnson to our existing front 7 would give us another impact rusher. Personally I'd prefer Johnson because he could be used as in inside rusher, as well as in a 3-4 DE capacity. And don't forget we get back Dane Fletcher as a coverage LB next season.

Now think about an OL of Solder, Mankins (Healthy) Connolly, Cannon, and Volmer, with Thomas, Wendell and McDonald for Depth.

Think about Gronk and Hernandez at TE, with Fells Ballard, and Shiancoe fighting for the last 2 slots

Think about a WR groupl of Welker/Ammendola, Edelman, Lloyd, and High draft pick (with the TE and RB receiving options we only carry 5 WR's including Slater

Think about a RB corp of Ridley, Vareen, Boldin, Demps and Woodhead/FB - Hard choice of Woody or a FB type

Now THAT is the makings of on dominant team. An offense that is actually better and deeper than this year, simply because of health Plus the very scary thought of that offense being matched up with the beginning of what could be the start of dominant defense.

This is a team that could finish the deal we started in 2007.....with a little bit of luck.

OOPS, I'm rambling again

I'd expect them to take 2 wide receivers in this draft. Last year they focused on defense, 2010 took 2 RB, 2009 took 2 TE's.

I see no need to add a safety like Byrd. Wilson needs to emerge as are starting SS, he was 2nd rounder and has shown the ability. McCourty is going to be an elite FS and Gregory can back up both position, with Ebner adding depth.

You resign Talib or another top tier CB, develop Dennard and Dowling. Bring Arrington and Cole back for depth. Then I would trade up and take DeMarcus Milline.

If I was to spend money in free agency it would be on someone like Henry Melton who can provide pressure from the inside. We have Ninkovich, Jones, Cunningham, Bequette and Francis all young and still developing on the outside. Kyle Love is a good run stopper but he doesn't provide much push.

 

[patfanken]

I'd expect them to take 2 wide receivers in this draft. Last year they focused on defense, 2010 took 2 RB, 2009 took 2 TE's.

I see no need to add a safety like Byrd. Wilson needs to emerge as are starting SS, he was 2nd rounder and has shown the ability. McCourty is going to be an elite FS and Gregory can back up both position, with Ebner adding depth.

You resign Talib or another top tier CB, develop Dennard and Dowling. Bring Arrington and Cole back for depth. Then I would trade up and take DeMarcus Milline.

If I was to spend money in free agency it would be on someone like Henry Melton who can provide pressure from the inside. We have Ninkovich, Jones, Cunningham, Bequette and Francis all young and still developing on the outside. Kyle Love is a good run stopper but he doesn't provide much push.

I don't Millne, but I don't disagree with the concept of improving the interior pass rush as being the #1 goal of the off season. I think Johnson could accomplish that and take the risk out of the equation at the cost of mere money.

BTW- I'm not averse to doing both. You cannot have too many interior pass rushers. Though I still would like to have that "big" WR in the bag by the end of the 2nd day.

As to Byrd, I'd go after him. Gregory is a willing tackler, but will never be a "hitter". He's much more suited to be a FS, and backing up McCourty who might be used more in a CB situation week to week would be a more useful situation for him. As to Wilson, I'm not sure about him yet. He looks to have some ball skills, and is a solid tackler, but since I'm looking to build a dominant defense NOW, I'm looking for some experience. Adding Talib, Byrd, along with Gregory, would add some well needed seasoning to my defense.

But I understand, Byrd is a luxury that could be skipped if necessary.

 

[mayoclinic]

If I was to spend money in free agency it would be on someone like Henry Melton who can provide pressure from the inside. We have Ninkovich, Jones, Cunningham, Bequette and Francis all young and still developing on the outside. Kyle Love is a good run stopper but he doesn't provide much push.

Henry Melton will never get out of Chicago, but he would be worth spending for.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'd expect them to take 2 wide receivers in this draft. Last year they focused on defense, 2010 took 2 RB, 2009 took 2 TE's.

I see no need to add a safety like Byrd. Wilson needs to emerge as are starting SS, he was 2nd rounder and has shown the ability. McCourty is going to be an elite FS and Gregory can back up both position, with Ebner adding depth.

You resign Talib or another top tier CB, develop Dennard and Dowling. Bring Arrington and Cole back for depth. Then I would trade up and take DeMarcus Milline.

If I was to spend money in free agency it would be on someone like Henry Melton who can provide pressure from the inside. We have Ninkovich, Jones, Cunningham, Bequette and Francis all young and still developing on the outside. Kyle Love is a good run stopper but he doesn't provide much push.

S
OG/C
WR
DE/DT

Those would seem to be the top four priorities, in that order. WR is at 3 because they can franchise Welker if they choose. DE/DT is only 4 because it's partially dependent upon whether they switch back to the 3-4. If they stay 4-3, the need is not as great as it would be if they went 3-4. Safety is, far and away, the #1 issue facing this team in the offseason, assuming Talib works out and returns. If Talib busts or moves on, CB rockets up the priority board.

Just my $.02

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agree with Deus. Assuming Dennard, Talib and DMC are the 2013 starters, a SS who can hit and cover is the #1 need. If 2010 Patrick Chung shows up again and is reliable the team would be in great position in the secondary.

In terms of other positions, another 3/4 DE 4/3 DE/DT that can provide an interior rush IMO is major need #2.

 

[1%er]

S
OG/C
WR
DE/DT

Those would seem to be the top four priorities, in that order. WR is at 3 because they can franchise Welker if they choose. DE/DT is only 4 because it's partially dependent upon whether they switch back to the 3-4. If they stay 4-3, the need is not as great as it would be if they went 3-4. Safety is, far and away, the #1 issue facing this team in the offseason, assuming Talib works out and returns. If Talib busts or moves on, CB rockets up the priority board.

Just my $.02

DI do you not see McCourty at FS long term? If he is the FS I feel like that addresses a huge concern at the safety position. The combo of Wilson, Gregory and Ebner could fill the SS. Also I think Chung could be brought back on a 1yr prove it type deal. How high could his value be on the free agent market right now?

What are your thoughts on Wilson long term? I'm back in forth with the kid.

 

[1%er]

Agree with Deus. Assuming Dennard, Talib and DMC are the 2013 starters SS who can cover is a major need.

If 2010 Patrick Chung shows up we are all set.

Chung is a FA so he could be gone.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Chung is a FA so he could be gone.

Yep. I was implying that the level of production out of the SS position would be a big boost.

 

[shmessy]

Folks, with all due respect, the subject of this thread is Marcus Canon.

Please, let's keep it on subject and use another thread for general roster projections.

We'll leave in what was already posted, but going forward please stay on subject.

Thanks.

 

[WhoaDirty]

Wouldn't they be able to carry over the money they didn't have to pay Waters?

 

[patfanken]

Folks, with all due respect, the subject of this thread is Marcus Canon.

Please, let's keep it on subject and use another thread for general roster projections.

We'll leave in what was already posted, but going forward please stay on subject.

Thanks.

That being said. Marcus Cannon is showing us a lot. He can even show us more by being effective in taking on a speed rusher like Wake next week. If he can, it will be he can become a nice bargaining chip for the Pats in their negotiations with Volmer. However I would MUCH rather see him in concert with Volmer as the starting RG next season.

That would be a HUGE "road grading" OL, with Connolly moving back to C. WHAT a run game we could have with the best blocking TE in the league on one side. Withe 1-2-2 formation and 4 solid RB's how could teams defend us. With Gronk, Hernandez. Welker and Lloyd, Brady would have a plethora of options in the passing game, and if they bring in the DBs you need to stop the passing game, they'd get shredded by the run game.

Cannon to RG is what I'm voting for....for next season.