BB on turning for the ball

[BrickPat]

The way its been going I prefer that DM take a chance on looking back and possibly getting burned instead of not looking back and almost definitely getting burned. None of McCourty's interceptions have been Willie Mayes over the shoulder no look catches. Kind of hard to make a play if you don't see the ball...or fail to look for it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The way its been going I prefer that DM take a chance on looking back and possibly getting burned instead of not looking back and almost definitely getting burned. None of McCourty's interceptions have been Willie Mayes over the shoulder no look catches. Kind of hard to make a play if you don't see the ball...or fail to look for it.

I hate to sound mean but fans here need to grasp that it doesn't matter what you'd prefer, they do what Bill prefers.

 

[VJCPatriot]

A: What the rule is, is that if you’re looking at the ball and there is contact, it’s not a foul, unless you’re grabbing the guy or obviously flagrantly doing something. If you’re not looking at the ball, and there is contact, then it is a foul. The rule is pretty cut and dried.

I think BB's answer is pretty clear. EVERY DB is aware of the rule and that they are going to be called for a foul if they are not looking at the ball when they contact the offensive player. And he explains the different techniques, which also jives with the in phase/out of phase explanation that Mayo gave. I think the problem is when DBs such as McCourty play trail technique only and/or don't turn their head even when they are 'in phase' with the receiver.

I mean how often have we seen McCourty run stride for stride with a receiver only not to turn his head and get the PI call? Athletic ability doesn't seem to be his shortcoming, it is his ability to 'read the receiver' and anticipate when the ball is coming and therefore 'turning his head' at the right time that he is struggling with. McCourty needs serious coaching and drilling to correct that particular weakness of his.

 

[BlitzFritz]

another problem with this coaching technique is on underthrown balls -- which do occur!! instead of turning around for an easy INT, it becomes instead a PI penalty.

i dont get it.

 

[thenepatsrule]

My solution for the whole Mc Courty not turning problem

 

[Deus Irae]

The problem with the "no look" style McCourty is using is that he can't make plays while doing it. He could run on his hands with little ducks on his feet and I'd be fine with it, if he was making plays in the process.

 

[Easywolf32]

Best ever Patriots team?

This is looking like a pretty damn solid team, except for the secondary. If we could just get a namebrand CB it would seal the deal.

 

[BrickPat]

I hate to sound mean but fans here need to grasp that it doesn't matter what you'd prefer, they do what Bill prefers.

I also hate to sound mean but you need to grasp that is a messageboard where fans exchange opinions, no one here actually thinks that BB gleans our replies and implements them into the game plan. Thanks for the lecture all the same.

 

[Schmo]

The Dennard observation is a good one... what I don't understand is how he can look so good at this technique in one of his first games while everyone says McCourty sucks. I refuse to think that Dennard learned how to become a better NFL corner from a jail cell than McCourty has in 3 years. That and there is no way Dennard is faster than McCourty.

There HAS to be a difference in workload for McCourty from his first year. Someone tell me that his duties on the field are much more complicated than, "cover this guy."

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The problem with the "no look" style McCourty is using is that he can't make plays while doing it. He could run on his hands with little ducks on his feet and I'd be fine with it, if he was making plays in the process.

He is making plays. Ints aren't the only thing that counts at the position. He's on pace for 26 passes defensed, compared to 17 in his rookie season. And 6 picks compared to 7. McCourty's problem is folks tend to focus on the plays he doesn't make. Same problem EHIII had. Not to mention Asante prior to the tail end of his 4th season.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So much of this. Watch Revis highlights - the guy does it perfectly. He is always in great position and always looks for the ball

You also has to have the speed or lack of and measure down to your opponents speed almost matching stride for stride.....Calvin Johnson for example would make Revis speed up to cover while a slower WR may allow Revis to slow down,Mccourty sometimes overruns his WR or gets beat with speed

 

[Deus Irae]

He is making plays. Ints aren't the only thing that counts at the position. He's on pace for 26 passes defensed, compared to 17 in his rookie season. And 6 picks compared to 7. McCourty's problem is folks tend to focus on the plays he doesn't make. Same problem EHIII had. Not to mention Asante prior to the tail end of his 4th season.

No, his problem is that he gets beat and can't fully recover, which consistently puts him behind when the ball's in the air. If he had better ball skills, he could make up for some of this. Unfortunately, he doesn't have them right now.

And his picks were because of poor throws, not good plays, so why bother going there?

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry. Just dont buy it. There is truth is what Bill said, but at the same time, that just shows D-Mac has lost his feel for the ball. I mean come on. Want a first down? Just toss it down the field at McCourty. Instant flag.

Sure,because it has happened twice in 5 games.

 

[Ring 6]

And his picks were because of poor throws, not good plays, so why bother going there?

Because that is your opinion which is widely disagreed with, not a fact.

 

[grux]

No, his problem is that he gets beat and can't fully recover, which consistently puts him behind when the ball's in the air. If he had better ball skills, he could make up for some of this. Unfortunately, he doesn't have them right now.

And his picks were because of poor throws, not good plays, so why bother going there?

I disagree. His 2nd int against buffalo he made an excellent play on the ball.

 

[Deus Irae]

Because that is your opinion which is widely disagreed with, not a fact.

A throw back across the field, and against the QB's power, that was behind the runner, and was not a back shoulder throw. When did that become a good throw?

I do find it amusing that I'm supposed to have it out for McCourty, though, given that Zolak's seen what I've seen, although he's been softer on it, and given that Wiggins has seen what I've seen, and given that Law's seen what I've seen, and given that Troy Brown's seen what I've seen, and given that McCourty's acknowledged his struggles (as was posted after an earlier game).

People here disagree, though, so it must be wrong. Devin McCourty must be a Devin McCourty hater.

 

[Spiral]

The good corners think that they're wide receivers. When the ball was in the air, a Ty Law, Ed Reed, Champ Bailey aren't playing defense any more--they're going after the ball. DMC looked pathetic against Decker on that backside TD pass. Decker was 5 yards into the end zone and Mc Courty still hadn't turned around. How much longer did he think it was going to be before the ball got there? Ridiculous. If the Patriots db's had played this poorly when BB was coaching them, he'd be a high school lacrosse coach somewhere right now.

 

[JR4]

Does know where to get 2012 stats for NFL CBs.
I mean detailed stats like tageted, PD, PI calls, etc?

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

The problem with McCourty is he runs with his back to the ball and only turns to react when the receiver starts his jump to catch the ball as it descends from its flight.

At that point it is almost impossible to not interfere and cause a PI or simply not get up to the height it takes to knock it away,thus the WR hauls it in or gets hit without getting a chance to grab it,causing the PI.

Good corners keep up with thier man while also having the knack for running at a slight angle that keeps them informed if the play is designed for the man they are covering and the ball is heading thier way......that is what separates all star pros like Revis from struggling CBs like Devin.

Couldn't agree more. Contrast with Darelle Beavis, who from what my eyes tell me, plays parallel to the receiver, with his body between the QB and his assignment... jersey grabs on every play notwithstanding

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

And his picks were because of poor throws, not good plays, so why bother going there?

Because that is your opinion which is widely disagreed with, not a fact.

Deus RayRay at it again, I see. :bricks: