Worst BB coached game??

[Deus Irae]

BB was BB. It was McDaniels that sucked. For all the success that McDaniels allegedly had in the past, his biggest weakness is still the same, failure to adjust and the willingness to admit what he was doing wasnt working...

Why do people post things like this when it was clear that the team did make adjustments with the offense?

 

[supafly]

Actually, I think the LT was the best OLman on the field today. It was really the interior OL who played badly as a group. But you could probably add WR to your issues list.

What do you think would immediately help, MLR? Besides the obvious answer of better preparation and execution of course.

I think the hopeful/probable return of Connelly is a good start.

I don't mean to be feeling pessimistic, but I actually wonder if the addition of Branch would even help the team all that much right now.

I'm not sure if they could block effectively in either the run game next week to utilize the common sense approach to keeping Brady upright and controlling the ball against a more physical team, and like you said--Llyod has pretty much just mimicked the Deion Branch role of last year to this point.

You wouldn't try to attack via the air next week would you? (in a more primary role) And if so, do you think they could successfully do that?

I am honestly wondering your opinion on how they will approach it--as I said besides the obvious answer of better coaching, preparation, and execution. Or is it that simple in itself?

Normally I wouldn't worry that much about AHernandez' injury, but I think it comes at an awful time right now.

 

[doesntmatter1]

There were multiple playcalls that annoyed me but three in particular really stood out. First one was us not connecting on the td bomb before halftime. Gronk just wasn't clutch. Second one was that draw to woodhead. Ridley should have ran that play and where the hell did our screen game go. Lastly, who centers a 40 plus field goal anyway. It just seems harder to kick a long field goal down the middle since you have to worry about pushing left and/or right. If anything, it seems like they should have put it on the left hashmark since he is a right footed kicker.

 

[supafly]

There were multiple playcalls that annoyed me but three in particular really stood out. First one was us not connecting on the td bomb before halftime. Gronk just wasn't clutch. Second one was that draw to woodhead. Ridley should have ran that play and where the hell did our screen game go. Lastly, who centers a 40 plus field goal anyway. It just seems harder to kick a long field goal down the middle since you have to worry about pushing left and/or right. If anything, it seems like they should have put it on the left hashmark since he is a right footed kicker.

Either way, the lack of trying to get any additional yds is what really pissed me off. I just didn't have a good feeling about the kick going in.

While your theory about not centering may make sense to me, I suppose it's not the proper way in the professional world of football--where centering it would likely always seem better.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

What do you think would immediately help, MLR? Besides the obvious answer of better preparation and execution of course.

I think the hopeful/probable return of Connelly is a good start.

I don't mean to be feeling pessimistic, but I actually wonder if the addition of Branch would even help the team all that much right now.

I'm not sure if they could block effectively in either the run game next week to utilize the common sense approach to keeping Brady upright and controlling the ball against a more physical team, and like you said--Llyod has pretty much just mimicked the Deion Branch role of last year to this point.

You wouldn't try to attack via the air next week would you? (in a more primary role) And if so, do you think they could successfully do that?

I am honestly wondering your opinion on how they will approach it--as I said besides the obvious answer of better coaching, preparation, and execution. Or is it that simple in itself?

Normally I wouldn't worry that much about AHernandez' injury, but I think it comes at an awful time right now.

Getting Waters in here. Getting Edleman off the field for the most part. Going 3 wide with Lloyd/Welker/Branch. Getting Fells on the field. Getting Vereen on the field. Comfort and stability, it's the best you can hope for at this juncture along with the defense continuing to play well. They dodged a bullit on Wilfork it appears. It amazes me too that with all the inactive binky clutter Bill has amassed at the bottom of the roster they can't get more out of the return game.

It is really unfortunate that they can't stash Hernendez on IR for 6 weeks. By the time he, Shiancoe and possibly Ballard are available they'll have to cut or IR 2 TE's.

 

[Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM)]

Why do people post things like this when it was clear that the team did make adjustments with the offense?

Not until midway thru the 4th quarter. It was more of the same crap in the 3rd quarter and part of the 4th.

Not everyone sees it your way. If we all thought alike, it would be a boring world.

And, is it required to check with you by all others here before posting?

 

[supafly]

It is really unfortunate that they can't stash Hernendez on IR for 6 weeks. By the time he, Shiancoe and possibly Ballard are available they'll have to cut or IR 2 TE's.

I will certainly admit that out of all of the decisions that people have questioned over the years, the placement of Schiancoe to the one IR exemption may have been the one that I questioned the most. It just didn't make much sense to me.

I honestly don't see Waters returning, although I obviously hope that I am wrong.

I don't like Edelman at that choice either.

 

[Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM)]

There were multiple playcalls that annoyed me but three in particular really stood out. First one was us not connecting on the td bomb before halftime. Gronk just wasn't clutch. Second one was that draw to woodhead. Ridley should have ran that play and where the hell did our screen game go. Lastly, who centers a 40 plus field goal anyway. It just seems harder to kick a long field goal down the middle since you have to worry about pushing left and/or right. If anything, it seems like they should have put it on the left hashmark since he is a right footed kicker.

I havent read too much in here about that last play of the first half. I was irate. Six seconds on the clock. There would have been no pass rush as the Cards would have dropped off to protect against a pass, so why not heave a Hail Mary into the end Zone? Balls do a lot of bouncing around on those. Why just put your knee down. Head shaking.

 

[supafly]

I havent read too much in here about that last play of the first half. I was irate. Six seconds on the clock. There would have been no pass rush as the Cards would have dropped off to protect against a pass, so why not heave a Hail Mary into the end Zone? Balls do a lot of bouncing around on those. Why just put your knee down. Head shaking.

In that instance there seemed to be a bit more than meets the eye going on. In other words, we saw the punter out there originally, then Brady, then back to Mesko.

I think that maybe the plan was to take a final heave, but it appeared as though maybe Brady didn't like something that he saw out there.

As wrong as I may be, there definitely seemed to be something more going on than the average fan like us could tell. Just something to think about.

 

[UK_Pat37]

LOL at people who think they can criticise play calling or even credit it. You don't now the tendencies of the Cardinals defence upon which you call your offensive plays.

Execution was the problem yesterday. Execution on the field...nothing else. Use our eyes people.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

I don't know how the coaches get the blame for this one. You didn't need anything fancy to beat the Cardinals. The players didn't execute on offense. It's that simple. Dropped balls at key times, poor passes, non-existent pass protection at times...sorry, this one's on the players IMO.

 

[FCB02062]

I don't think that had anything to do with it. The defense played exceptionally well. The troubles were on offense and ST. And once Hernandez went down they were toast because the game plan has now become totally 2 all world TE dependent. And the roster has been needlessly shortened with developmental players because someone thought they didn't need veteran depth on offense this year other than at TE...

Yeah, this exceptional defense allowed 20 pts to Kevin Kolb, Beanie Wells, and the Arizona Cardinals AT HOME....

 

[Steve102]

LOL at people who think they can criticise play calling or even credit it. You don't now the tendencies of the Cardinals defence upon which you call your offensive plays.

Execution was the problem yesterday. Execution on the field...nothing else. Use our eyes people.

I agree execution was a problem. It was most evident to me in the final series. Brady's first play was a short out to Welker. He either missed Wes badly or the ball was tipped, as claimed by the play by play. So there were multiple errors on the play, either Brady was off, or the OL didn't get it done, or both.

Second down was the Gronk hold. No need to break that down, we've all seen it.

Third down pass went to Wes, who moved the ball to the 18. The eighteen! This was probably to best and only executed play of this drive. It's not lost on me that Wes was the receiver.

New set of downs, Brady centers the ball with :44 to go. This lack of execution is on McDaniels. It was an ultra-conservative call by JM. Instead of putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Brady, he opts for setting up the kick. Play doesn't matter due to a false start by Gronk, and we move back five yards and put :46 seconds back on the clock. This down was maddening to me. Brady, while no doubt not having his best day, is still the best option. There was time to run at least 2 plays in the middle of the field and then spike the ball.

Replay first down, and McD calls the same play, ditto above, minus the knucklehead false start by Gronk.

Next play, Brady spikes the ball with :06 left. 40 seconds wasted. Then Ghost pulls it left. If Gronk, McDaniels or Ghost execute, game over.

Maddening.

 

[1960Pats]

Getting stuffed. If anything Josh tried too hard to feature the run. Try watching the game before adding commentary.

I'm the biggest fan of running the ball more, but they were forcing it too much yesterday. Did they really run Woodhead up the middle on a 3rd and something?

 

[PATSNUTme]

Well here we go again. Blame the OC, the #1 scapegoat of fans.

Don't blame the players that execute the plays. And don't blame TFB who may have changed plays called depending on what he see at the LOS.

And 4 of 5 starters on the OL were not starters last year.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I agree execution was a problem. It was most evident to me in the final series. Brady's first play was a short out to Welker. He either missed Wes badly or the ball was tipped, as claimed by the play by play. So there were multiple errors on the play, either Brady was off, or the OL didn't get it done, or both.

Second down was the Gronk hold. No need to break that down, we've all seen it.

Third down pass went to Wes, who moved the ball to the 18. The eighteen! This was probably to best and only executed play of this drive. It's not lost on me that Wes was the receiver.

New set of downs, Brady centers the ball with :44 to go. This lack of execution is on McDaniels. It was an ultra-conservative call by JM. Instead of putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Brady, he opts for setting up the kick. Play doesn't matter due to a false start by Gronk, and we move back five yards and put :46 seconds back on the clock. This down was maddening to me. Brady, while no doubt not having his best day, is still the best option. There was time to run at least 2 plays in the middle of the field and then spike the ball.

Replay first down, and McD calls the same play, ditto above, minus the knucklehead false start by Gronk.

Next play, Brady spikes the ball with :06 left. 40 seconds wasted. Then Ghost pulls it left. If Gronk, McDaniels or Ghost execute, game over.

Maddening.

We've talked about the decision to center the ball in another thread set up about it and this is my stance; either you run the ball and risk a turnover and further loss of yardage (and the O Line weren't spectacular blocking for he run) , you drop back in a game where Brady has been harassed all day long and risk a turnover/sack or you center the ball for your kicker who has made four FGs of 30+ yards and three of which were 40+ and two of those were over 50!

You aren't guaranteed the ball to be centred when you run a play so they put heir faith in their hot footed kicker with a middle of the field shot...and he choked.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Well here we go again. Blame the OC, the #1 scapegoat of fans.

Don't blame the players that execute the plays. And don't blame TFB who may have changed plays called depending on what he see at the LOS.

And 4 of 5 starters on the OL were not starters last year.

I am getting sick of this blame the coaching BS. Yeah there were some iffy call...it happens

 

[Tunescribe]

The game plan, the playing calling, and the coaching overall were primarily to blame for this loss imo. Belichick ultimately has to bear the responsibility. This garbage with Edelman starting and seeing more playing time than Welker is about the dumbest decision ever made by a coach.

And for the record, I'm of the opinion that Belichick's "genius" has always been highly overrated. He certainly was not a genius in Cleveland and all of his success in New England has been directly tied to Tom Brady. Perhaps most telling, Belichick has been repeatedly outcoached in the postseason since the last Super Bowl championship in '04.

Wow, you seem to know quite a bit about Belichick, smart coaching decisions, "garbage," etc. Please share more of your bright insights.

 

[Steve102]

Well here we go again. Blame the OC, the #1 scapegoat of fans.

Don't blame the players that execute the plays. And don't blame TFB who may have changed plays called depending on what he see at the LOS.

And 4 of 5 starters on the OL were not starters last year.

I don't blame McD solely. The final series was a poorly executed, save for Welker's reception and run after catch to the 18. Brady's ball to Wes on first down, if tipped, is either on Brady or the OL. Gronk was flagged twice, the second appears to be a loss of focus, IMO. Ghost missed the kick, on a clear day, when he's hit for further away.

If, as you say, Brady changed the call and opted to set up the FG, then that is waving the white flag. So either TFB or McD or Belichick opted to go for the FG instead of taking a couple shots. Mind you, they were on the 18 with 40 seconds to go. IMO, better to have the ball in Brady's hands than on the foot of a kicker in that situation. There was time to run the ball if the opted. 40 seconds is an eternity. 3 end zone shots. Anything but centering the ball. They settled for the final kick option instead of attacking Arizona. they could have still kicked it after taking a shot or two. That's poor play calling.

 

[Steve102]

Wow, you seem to know quite a bit about Belichick, smart coaching decisions, "garbage," etc. Please share more of your bright insights.

Tune, don't get sucked in by some dude with minimal posts. He's clearly of the school that Brady made Belichick.