Wes Welker Speculation thread (pure opinion)

[Ivan]

They should get rid of Brady and Wilfork while they are at it.

Hopefully Belichick will retire as well.

 

[Danger Zone]

They should get rid of Brady and Wilfork while they are at it.

Hopefully Belichick will retire as well.

Ah yes the snarky, utterly exaggerated straw-man counter-argument...

Where would inferior minds be without you?

 

[randomk1]

Some ****tard on NFL.com suggested a 3rd and a 5th for Welker to the Colts. I'd honestly watch Welker die the most horrific death possible than see that happen or let him walk.

 

[JMarr]

Why would you say his range is diminished?

Just doesn't throw the deep ball quite as well as he used to.

Plus he hardly ever seems to have time to eat a sandwich in the pocket like the old days (that could change given the array of weapons the opposition will have to deal with this season and if Lloyd or someone emerges as a deep threat).

 

[strngplyr]

Some ****tard on NFL.com suggested a 3rd and a 5th for Welker to the Colts. I'd honestly watch Welker die the most horrific death possible than see that happen or let him walk.

I agree he's worth more than a 3r and 5th, but the rest of your post is full on ******.

 

[Ivan]

Ah yes the snarky, utterly exaggerated straw-man counter-argument...

Where would inferior minds be without you?

Post your location and we'll know. Anyone who would trade Welker is a flat out idiot.

 

[supafly]

It's funny how the internet works.

Jim Irsay puts on Twitter they are going to sign a Vet.

Some poster on a messageboard (not even this one, though I know it was done here too) suggests the Colts should be targeting a trade for Welker.

BSMW contributor George Cain probably reads this, and then suggests Welker might be traded this week on his twitter. He asks Greg Bedard and PFT if they have heard anything about Welker to the Colts.

That's how rumors get started, and why we discount 95% of rumors until we get anything of substance to back them up.

As I said, I just wondered if anyone else had thought about it, particularly of late.

I honestly had no idea last evening when I started it that other actual reporters would have considered the idea.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Just doesn't throw the deep ball quite as well as he used to.

Plus he hardly ever seems to have time to eat a sandwich in the pocket like the old days (that could change given the array of weapons the opposition will have to deal with this season and if Lloyd or someone emerges as a deep threat).

The deep ball issue might have something to do with not having Randy Moss on the team.

 

[supafly]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/928169-trade-wes-now.html

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/98/917694-now-hes-signed-do-we-trade-welker.html

I specifically did not include anything about Welker in the title, due to not wanting people to overreact.

And the point that you are still missing is that I did not condone a trade for Wes Welker, nor have I ever. My question was whether anyone thought that recent events regarding Irsay and some TC issues had allowed them to explore the issue.

You wrongly accused me of "insulting everyone's intelligence" when I clearly stated right on page one (and many pages after in succession) that I did NOT want to trade Welker.

Living up to your nickname and actually insulting others, which I have defended many times by the way, has nothing to do with failing to dig up an old thread. The comparison is not valid.

Had I added to the threads you suggested, that would have made people think that I actually wanted to trade Welker, when all I wanted to do was give points to why it may make sense.

 

[supafly]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

And Jeff Howe tweeted a while ago that he inquired as to whether there was any relation to the Irsay tweet and Welker, ane th response he got was "LOL". Which is the same response this thread deserves.

If media reporters were exploring the option and brought Welker's name into it, then why would the thread deserve a "LOL?"

If others who have better knowledge about the situation and football smarts looked into it, then apparently someone thought it may at least be worth exploring.

Again, your social skills are very interesting. Why even bother to throw out an insult for no good reason?

We get it. You don't agree with exploring the pros and cons of the possibility, but so why not just keep your comments to yourself, or at least make an educated opinion which can still be beneficial to others?

If you'd bother to have read anything, you'd have seen that I said many, many times that I did NOT want to trade Welker. Please don't lump me in with the people who start the "Trade Brady now" threads. I assumed that you would understand the exercise, and sadly I was wrong.

 

[Off The Grid]

1 ~ You could've made an Argument for trading Welker before the Draft, on the condition that he signed, first, obviously ~ and some smart people did so ~ because you could've gotten a Pick ~ or Picks ~ that would've produced a contributor for this year's team.

2 ~ And you can argue ~ as I have ~ that the team would benefit more, in the long term, from reducing the role of the "Slot End" to a Sub Pack role, in favor of an additional Wing Back ~ like Aaron Hernandez ~ or Flex End ~ like Vernon Davis, perhaps ~ who'd give us far more'f an Hybrid Pass/Run threat.

3 ~ But domination of the middle of the field is disproportionately critical to winning The Grim Games of Deep Winter. If we hadn't neglected our flanks so egregiously, the last couple years, I'm certain that our rather amazing domination of the interior would've translated into back to back Super Bowl Championships.

4 ~ Now that we've emphatically addressed our weak Flanks in the Passing Game with Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, and ~ hopefully ~ Donte Stallworth, the last thing I want to do is compromise our domination of the center of the field just when we've done what we need to do to cut these guys LOOSE!!

That's how I see it, anyway.

This issue was debated earlier this year and was a heated (to say the least) argument at that time.

You don't say?

I referenced those debates twice, including the part you quoted. :bricks:

 

[letekro]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

I specifically did not include anything about Welker in the title, due to not wanting people to overreact.

And the point that you are still missing is that I did not condone a trade for Wes Welker, nor have I ever. My question was whether anyone thought that recent events regarding Irsay and some TC issues had allowed them to explore the issue.

You wrongly accused me of "insulting everyone's intelligence" when I clearly stated right on page one (and many pages after in succession) that I did NOT want to trade Welker.

Living up to your nickname and actually insulting others, which I have defended many times by the way, has nothing to do with failing to dig up an old thread. The comparison is not valid.

Had I added to the threads you suggested, that would have made people think that I actually wanted to trade Welker, when all I wanted to do was give points to why it may make sense.

There's nothing wrong with your initial post and it is well within the realm of possibility. If BB doesn't see the Pats and Wes coming together on a long term deal AND thinks the drop off between Welker and Edelman is manageable given all of the other talent on the side of the ball, he would definitely trade him if the compensation was sweet enough (See Seymour, Richard). Despite all the protestations of the knowitalls to the contrary, nobody knows the status of the first two conditions I note above other than BB and his inner circle.

 

[Danger Zone]

Post your location and we'll know. Anyone who would trade Welker is a flat out idiot.

Like I said.. closed minds.

Keeping Welker for one more year, might very well be the smartest thing to do for the Patriots.. I wouldn't personally trade Welker unless it was to get a serious playmaker on the defense, like a shut-down corner.

That said, I very much doubt Belichick and the Patriot's front office hasn't at least weighed the pro's and con's of trading Welker.

And if they did so, which I very much suspect they have, it doesn't make them flat out idiots.

Because one thing Belichick isn't, is closed minded to weighing options.

 

[supafly]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

There's nothing wrong with your initial post and it is well within the realm of possibility. If BB doesn't see the Pats and Wes coming together on a long term deal AND thinks the drop off between Welker and Edelman is manageable given all of the other talent on the side of the ball, he would definitely trade him if the compensation was sweet enough (See Seymour, Richard). Despite all the protestations of the knowitalls to the contrary, nobody knows the status of the first two conditions I note above other than BB and his inner circle.

I certainly agree with you.

It wasn't an attempt to get anyone's panties in a bunch, although some simply cannot handle the idea of losing him next year I suppose. Actually, it's more of a comparison of keeping him one more yr vs the compensation and potential trade value now.

The thought that other actual reporters had looked into it pretty much says it all in my opinion. Much different situation than the "Trade Brady" threads due to having a poor game or two.

Sadly a couple cannot see the difference, but many here have contributed to a good discussion, and that was the intent

 

[supafly]

That said, I very much doubt Belichick and the Patriot's front office hasn't at least weighed the pro's and con's of trading Welker.

And if they did so, which I very much suspect they have, it doesn't make them flat out idiots.

Because one thing Belichick isn't, is closed minded to weighing options.

Great post. I agree it wouldn't be the better of the options (as I did on the first page), but to say that the idea was "LOL" able or that it wasn't explored is extremely short sighted in my opinion.

If there's one thing Belichick will do, is explore all options to make the future of the team better.

 

[randomk1]

I agree he's worth more than a 3r and 5th, but the rest of your post is full on ******.

It was meant as a joke sherlock...my point was that i'd keep Welker for this season and let him walk next year for almost any price that we might get for him right now.

This is our year and Welker is still # 1.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

I specifically did not include anything about Welker in the title, due to not wanting people to overreact.

And the point that you are still missing is that I did not condone a trade for Wes Welker, nor have I ever. My question was whether anyone thought that recent events regarding Irsay and some TC issues had allowed them to explore the issue.

You wrongly accused me of "insulting everyone's intelligence" when I clearly stated right on page one (and many pages after in succession) that I did NOT want to trade Welker.

Living up to your nickname and actually insulting others, which I have defended many times by the way, has nothing to do with failing to dig up an old thread. The comparison is not valid.

Had I added to the threads you suggested, that would have made people think that I actually wanted to trade Welker, when all I wanted to do was give points to why it may make sense.

I read your O.P. 3 times before responding to it. When I responded, I put in a gif without words, because I knew where the thread was going to go, and the gif was just a reflection of that. You then came back with a comment about return that made absolutely no sense given BB's history with the franchise tag, yet I didn't respond to that, since I tend to give your posts a soft approach knowing your posting predilections.

The next thing I responded to was your talk about getting as much in return as possible. I simply posted that having Brady happy and Welker's on-the-field production was the best return possible. In response, among other things, you essentially claimed to know what the team was thinking just because they didn't sign Welker to a long-term deal

Considering that they didn't agree with that thought though

and then continued the downward spiral by just throwing crap against the wall while not having any evidence, at all, to back your claim:

The argument could be made that they may have been seeing if anyone of importance became injured in TC, thus hoping to maximize their trading value.

At that point, along with your follow up post, you were insulting the intelligence of everyone on the board, and I noted that. I then spoke about bowing out of the thread, but you decided to get snarky about "the same old suspects" in a follow up post, so I posted links to other threads on the same, beaten-to-death-and-beyond topic, because that's where your O.P. belonged in the first place.

What's funny is that you posted "This thread isn't going to gain me any popularity points here", yet you still got all offended over people posting against the thread. Now, once again, you decide to fire off, and specifically pointed to me, so here we are. And, on that note, I'd like to think we can end the back-and-forth portion of this.

 

[randomk1]

Re: Speculation thread (pure opinion)

I read your O.P. 3 times before responding to it. When I responded, I put in a gif without words, because I knew where the thread was going to go, and the gif was just a reflection of that. You then came back with a comment about return that made absolutely no sense given BB's history with the franchise tag, yet I didn't respond to that, since I tend to give your posts a soft approach knowing your posting predilections.

The next thing I responded to was your talk about getting as much in return as possible. I simply posted that having Brady happy and Welker's on-the-field production was the best return possible. In response, among other things, you essentially claimed to know what the team was thinking just because they didn't sign Welker to a long-term deal



and then continued the downward spiral by just throwing crap against the wall while not having any evidence, at all, to back your claim:



At that point, along with your follow up post, you were insulting the intelligence of everyone on the board, and I noted that. I then spoke about bowing out of the thread, but you decided to get snarky about "the same old suspects" in a follow up post, so I posted links to other threads on the same, beaten-to-death-and-beyond topic, because that's where your O.P. belonged in the first place.

What's funny is that you posted "This thread isn't going to gain me any popularity points here", yet you still got all offended over people posting against the thread. Now, once again, you decide to fire off, and specifically pointed to me, so here we are. And, on that note, I'd like to think we can end the back-and-forth portion of this.

Deus bringing the justice as usual.


No offense supafly- i still enjoy your even-keeled approach to every discussion.

 

[Ivan]

Like I said.. closed minds.

Keeping Welker for one more year, might very well be the smartest thing to do for the Patriots.. I wouldn't personally trade Welker unless it was to get a serious playmaker on the defense, like a shut-down corner.

That said, I very much doubt Belichick and the Patriot's front office hasn't at least weighed the pro's and con's of trading Welker.

And if they did so, which I very much suspect they have, it doesn't make them flat out idiots.

Because one thing Belichick isn't, is closed minded to weighing options.

Huh.

I guess that means he is open to getting rid of Brady and Wilfork as well.

Trying to cloak the stupidity of getting rid of Welker in "openmindedness" while calling getting rid of Brady or Wilfork a "straw man" demonstrates that you really weren't talking about an open mind but were instead endorsing the idiocy of getting rid of Welker, otherwise I'm sure you would have said they are weighing all options.

 

[Danger Zone]

Should Brady and Wilfork have to be franchise tagged after being unable to come to terms with the team.... Belichick and the front office will be weighing the pro's and con's of trading either one

“So I’m still working hard, doing my job, because that’s what he’s looking for,” Brady said of his boss, via Jarrett Bell of USA Today. “And the day that’s not what he’s looking for, there comes a time for everybody. I hope to make that decision hard on him for a very, very long time.”