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Bill Barnwell at Grantland covered the difficulty of drawing conclusions from All-22 film. Here's an excerpt:



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Chris

Using this example, what Bill Barnwell is describing is a fold block. We may not know if that was the correct call on that play but we can see tendencies. If the center is doing fold blocks all day, how does the defense counter it? We can try to guess at their intentions and the adjustments. Who cares if we get it wrong? We're fans. It's not like anyone uses our amatuer analysis for anything but entertainment anyway.
 
Ken, Ken, Ken. Chill. I welcome the idea and would love to read the analysis. I just wish that BoxORocks still posted here as he could do that type of analysis here that AllWorldTE does 'elsewhere'. I have no football coaching training so I can't contribute. And my wife WOULD divorce me if I spent any more time on football.

Maybe we can get NEM to come back and break down the OC's choice of play calls. :D
 
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4. I have to admit I am a bit surprised by the lack of enthusiasm for this idea, flawed though it be. I would have thought there would be many here who would have flocked to the idea, especially people who could have improved on the concept. I can only conclude that the great majority here would rather make their "judgments" in the dark, or prefer to "play" alone. Well never mind I guess. It was just a thought

As long as it doesn't take away from people arguing over minutae, posts about Tom Brady's hiarcuts, or debating if a released player should get picked up...
 
Using this example, what Bill Barnwell is describing is a fold block. We may not know if that was the correct call on that play but we can see tendencies. If the center is doing fold blocks all day, how does the defense counter it? We can try to guess at their intentions and the adjustments. Who cares if we get it wrong? We're fans. It's not like anyone uses our amatuer analysis for anything but entertainment anyway.

The tendencies will likely be the better barometer than the results of an individual play. Barnwell also addresses this in the same article (in footnote #4...with exaggeration to make the point):

And even then, there are ways to handle this new information accurately by taking a longer-term view. It's easy to screw up coverage responsibilities on one given play. If a player gets open deep and two defenders end up pointing at each other, it's going to be extremely difficult to figure out who was actually at fault. However, if there are a half-dozen plays like that over the course of a year where the same player is involved, and he's missing tackles left and right, and we see him visibly getting fooled by play-action over and over again, and then he gets cut, it's probably safe to say that he's Sabby Piscitelli and he's not an NFL-caliber starter.

Regards,
Chris
 
This all 22 is going to kill this board after losses people are going to rip every tiny detail and it's going to make this place hell

Getting to see the coaches tape will be fun, /reading/listening to all the new "experts" will be nauseating. This is going to make the You Tube draft experts look tame in comparison. My ignore list is at about 3 right now, i'm guessing it will be 3000 by 2014.
 
It will be extremely easy to sift through who knows what they are looking at an who doesn't. Count me in, Ken.
 
Ken, Ken, Ken. Chill. I welcome the idea and would love to read the analysis. I just wish that BoxORocks still posted here as he could do that type of analysis here that AllWorldTE does 'elsewhere'. I have no football coaching training so I can't contribute. And my wife WOULD divorce me if I spent any more time on football.

Maybe we can get NEM to come back and break down the OC's choice of play calls. :D

Just a quick note. Some years ago, Box and Pats1 would break down plays a series at a time (others would jump in to help, but it was mostly those two). I gave them a set of markup statements and I'd run it through a word macro, convert it to back to HTML and post it on my website. We then had these nicely formatted breakdowns, referenced from this forum, for discussions. For the few who cared, those guys did a great job and were greatly appreciated. Like you, PWP, I don't know how to do the breakdowns myself and my own efforts were laughable.

I'll see if I can dig up some of those old analyses. I should have them around somewhere.... Note that I'm not advocating posting on a website elsewhere. We did it then because the forum didn't have markup tools and no easy way of putting up anything other than reams of unformatted text. These days, I think it's best to simply do a formatted post in a text editor and paste it directly to the forum.

It's a lot of work to do the breakdowns, but we have more people now than we had then who have the football knowledge . I won't mention names, we generally know who they are, and it's a big time commitment, so they should (a) feel free to not volunteer and (b) if they volunteer, feel free to back out or be part time.

Things I learned:
  • You don't need a breakdown of every play to make the breakdowns worthwhile.
  • It generally makes sense to breakdown a few key series. Games often turn on a single series where a set of players on the field were dominant, or getting beaten. Those are the series everyone argues about and a breakdown is a terrific point of reference. However flawed, it's yards better than the usual unreasoned flailing about.
  • Sometimes it's interesting to breakdown a player. Just follow that one guy through a bunch of series and see if he's making his blocks, getting open, beating his man, whatever he's supposed to do, as best as you can tell.
  • For the nattering nabobs: No, we don't know the play call and we'll frequently be wrong. As in all things, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
  • The most frustrating aspect of doing the breakdowns was the TV coverage. That frustration is now gone. This is most certainly, as PFK points out, a rare opportunity.
  • It requires a little coordination, but not much more than "I'll do the series where Mayo got the INT, does anyone want the series where Hernandez took a reverse for 20 yards?"
  • The regulars who do it week to week should take time off to NOT do it. Otherwise it becomes a chore. It's hard work. But it's also fun and rewarding and great boost to the forum.
  • The moderators helped out by sticking the threads to the top. I don't know if that's necessary, but a common way of titling the threads, like "[BREAKDOWN] v. Broncos" so we can find them and search them easily.

PFK, great thread, great idea. I don't have the all 22 subscription yet, but I'll be getting it. Not that I know how to interpret it. :)
 
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Just what we need. More "analysis" by the "experts" around here.
 
Just what we need. More "analysis" by the "experts" around here.
Absent that, what else is there? Brady's hair styles and fashion statements?

I come here for the football analysis of guys like Jays52 and others.
 
I very much enjoyed reading Jays, Kens, and Robs breakdowns last year (as well as others). If you guys continue that this year with this newly available access.. I for one will greatly appreciate it.
 
I very much enjoyed reading Jays, Kens, and Robs breakdowns last year (as well as others). If you guys continue that this year with this newly available access.. I for one will greatly appreciate it.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Absent that, what else is there? Brady's hair styles and fashion statements?

I come here for the football analysis of guys like Jays52 and others.


What do you think of his latest 'do?
 
This all 22 is going to kill this board after losses people are going to rip every tiny detail and it's going to make this place hell

To be fair, this affliction is going to infect every NFL board on the planet. Relatively speaking, this is a pretty satisfied and patient board of fans. Giving the All-22 to Jets fans and other insane fan bases is going to spell true disaster.
 
Awesome idea. I can volunteer to keep track how many times Ihedigbo goes down. :p
 
Awesome idea. I can volunteer to keep track how many times Ihedigbo goes down. :p

Truth. We're also going to watch Revis more and appreciate him better.
 
Can't wait to see the threads after these are released each week
 
Wow I did not know he went down. I will have to watch that carefully:p

I think in the regular season, he went down every game except the last game. Even my wife wanted to bet which quarter he would go down. lol.
 
I'm all for anything that will help expose the dogfakers...
 
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