Brandon Lloyd on the trading block

[ctpatsfan77]

That's just not true. This is only his 3rd year, but he's been a helluve punt returner for this team despite not being able to break through in the pass game because of the ridiculous depth in front of him..

We'd be seeing a lot more of Edelman if it weren't for two players by the names of GRONK and Hernandez. . . .

 

[Danielbaron1]

The guy is 6 foot which would make him tied with our tallest receiver ocho. He lead in receiving yards last year with ortan as qb. (Imagine what he doo with brady) a 3rd round pick would be great for this guy so we can a super bowl now. Brady can't play forever. Why save a 3rd round pick and draft another taylor price but doesn't see the field. Or another chad jackson. This guy would take attention off of welker making even him more impossible to cover due to 1 v 1 coverage. This would open up our run game and then benny woody and the riddler can turn this team into a lethal offense. We have 2 first and 2 2nd round picks next year. Let's upgrade our offense with lloyd and use those 4 picks on defense. Imaging the best offensee in the league with a top 10 defense.

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[borg]

The problem is... Lloyd has a big contract coming his way from a desperately needy team and the Pats won't go high considering Welker is about to break the bank. Lloyd would be a great long term addition, especially since I expect Ocho to be a 1 and done. A #3 plus Price?

 

[reflexblue]

The Offense isn't the problem, We have more than enough Offense, we need DEFENSE. I wouldn't wast a 3rd round pick and Edelman for a 30 year old WR. The Raiders got Arron Curry for a Seventh round pick.

 

[dhamz]

Lloyd has 1 year left on his deal and is expecting to be extremely well compensated based on having had 1 good season for a horrendous team in 2010.

The choices would be give up draft picks for a 2 month rental at a position of depth or trade draft picks, bring LLoyd in, and pay him a big $ extension.

Neither of those look like something the Pats would seem likely to do.

 

[FalconHeavy]

hes 30 not 39

there, that clears the confusion. I thought Mason was the oldest receiver !

 

[Rob0729]

No offense to Dan Gronkowski, but the guy was the third tight end on the Broncos and came over to be the third tight end here. I'd wager he didn't know the entirety of either playbook, based on the fact that he plays on a very limited amount of packages and his main role on each of those is staying in to block. Not the greatest guy to get an insight on another team's offense.

The terminology and some concepts might be very similar, but I highly doubt it's the "exact same" scheme, as Dan put it. I'd be weary of Lloyd having to go through any sort of adjustment period mid-season, even if the learning curve, coming from Denver's offense to the Pats', isn't as taxing as what Ocho seemingly is going through to grasp the system.

Josh McDaniels grew up in the Pats' system. He was in charge of running the offensive system in New England for three years. It is the only system he ever worked in. Do you really think he went to Denver and said he needs to create a whole new system because it would be unfair to just copy the Pats' system. Lloyd played in the exact same system as what the Pats run. There could be some minor changes, but the terminology, routes, and reads will be the same.

It may take a Lloyd a week or two get up to speed (the Pats will be in a bye next week), but it isn't going to be a long learning curve. Granted I doubt it will happen.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob - just a typo fix, Lloyd is 30, not 39.. And I don't believe the Pats need him with Ocho already on the team. He'd face the same sort of learning curve.

Sorry about that. Yeah, I meant 30.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Edelman is in a catch-22 situation, his physical ability surpasses Welker's, look at all their combine measurables, Edelman is ahead on just about everything. While he has better physical skills he doesnt have Welker's unsurpassed field navigation skills nor his chemistry with TFB. In order to get better Edelman needs more playing time, simple as that.

 

[JJDChE]

No offense to Dan Gronkowski, but the guy was the third tight end on the Broncos and came over to be the third tight end here. I'd wager he didn't know the entirety of either playbook, based on the fact that he plays on a very limited amount of packages and his main role on each of those is staying in to block. Not the greatest guy to get an insight on another team's offense.

The terminology and some concepts might be very similar, but I highly doubt it's the "exact same" scheme, as Dan put it. I'd be weary of Lloyd having to go through any sort of adjustment period mid-season, even if the learning curve, coming from Denver's offense to the Pats', isn't as taxing as what Ocho seemingly is going through to grasp the system.

No offense to you, but it doesn't matter what position you are or how likely you are to be on the field, if you are on the team you should know the playbook inside out. That's essentially what these guys are being paid hundreds of thousands a year for.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Edelman is a competent backup WR.

To be a competent NFL backup at a different position than you played in college is a considerable accomplishment. patfanken couldn't pull it off. Nobody else here could ever have come remotely close to pulling it off. (Did anybody else here even play football in college, let alone make it to an NFL training camp?)

Maybe not, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

For the record, I reserve the right to b!tch, fuss, and moan and any player's perceived lack of progress regardless of my football skills. Just saying.

 

[patsfan-1982]

i know he's a FA next year but they are only asking anywere from a 3rd to a 5th round pick for him they will get that if they just let him walk next year and they are trying to trade there best WR one week befor there young QB gets he's first start, sounds to be like they are trying to go for Andrew Luck i think they will be shocked when Tebow makes them a 500 team at the end of the year

 

[RodThePat]

Josh McDaniels grew up in the Pats' system. He was in charge of running the offensive system in New England for three years. It is the only system he ever worked in. Do you really think he went to Denver and said he needs to create a whole new system because it would be unfair to just copy the Pats' system. Lloyd played in the exact same system as what the Pats run. There could be some minor changes, but the terminology, routes, and reads will be the same.

It may take a Lloyd a week or two get up to speed (the Pats will be in a bye next week), but it isn't going to be a long learning curve. Granted I doubt it will happen.

No, I think Josh brought his old Patriots system to Denver and Belichick/O'Brien made changes/adjustments in the schemes McDaniels ran here. You really think they have the same playbook now as they did in 2007? Bill Belichick, of all people, would lose an OC to a fellow AFC team and just not bother to change anything in the way they run the offense here? Saying it's the exact same playbook is pretty naive. The terminology and philosophy might be the same, but then again, I don't think a third TE is the guy we should be looking at for insight on the matter.

 

[ALP]

not saying we should or should not do it, but if i had to guess i would say Lloyd would be amazing on this offense....

 

[BradyManny]

The Broncos offense under McDaniels - by Belichick's own admission in the NFLN doc - is the same as the Patriots offense.

This guy was a complete beast in that offense.

It would be illogical not to at least consider adding him giving the price tag, though we are out of a 5th rounder and above for next year. So the price would have to be a 4th. I could see BB swapping a 4th for Lloyd and a 7th.

 

[BradyManny]

No, I think Josh brought his old Patriots system to Denver and Belichick/O'Brien made changes/adjustments in the schemes McDaniels ran here. You really think they have the same playbook now as they did in 2007? Bill Belichick, of all people, would lose an OC to a fellow AFC team and just not bother to change anything in the way they run the offense here? Saying it's the exact same playbook is pretty naive. The terminology and philosophy might be the same, but then again, I don't think a third TE is the guy we should be looking at for insight on the matter.

"We know what offense they run there. It's our offense." - Bill Belichick in 2009 on Denver's offense.

How much has it changed since then? Not enough to mean Lloyd would have a strong learning curve. The terminology is the same. And if anything, Denver was running the multi-TE stuff in 2009 when we weren't, since we lacked the personnel.

 

[Rob0729]

No, I think Josh brought his old Patriots system to Denver and Belichick/O'Brien made changes/adjustments in the schemes McDaniels ran here. You really think they have the same playbook now as they did in 2007? Bill Belichick, of all people, would lose an OC to a fellow AFC team and just not bother to change anything in the way they run the offense here? Saying it's the exact same playbook is pretty naive. The terminology and philosophy might be the same, but then again, I don't think a third TE is the guy we should be looking at for insight on the matter.

The playbook evolves over time, but it doesn't change radically. Lloyd probably knows about 90-95% of the Patriots' playbook. Belichick and Bill O'Brien didn't say when McDaniels left that they were going to totally revise the playbook. The playbook today isn't that much different than the playbook in 2007. The Pats run different plays.

Again, why are you so obsessed with a "third TE"? Are back ups given different playbooks than starters? Because you are a back up it doesn't qualify you to understand and make comments about the playbook? I am sure he knew the play just as much as many of the starters. There is a reason why McDaniels acquired former Patriots like Daniel Graham and Jabar Gaffney. They knew his offense backwards and forward.

 

[Rob0729]

"We know what offense they run there. It's our offense." - Bill Belichick in 2009 on Denver's offense.

How much has it changed since then? Not enough to mean Lloyd would have a strong learning curve. The terminology is the same. And if anything, Denver was running the multi-TE stuff in 2009 when we weren't, since we lacked the personnel.

Yeah, but are you going to believe a Patriots' Head Coach? He probably doesn't know much more about the offense than a 3rd TE.

 

[RodThePat]

The playbook evolves over time, but it doesn't change radically. Lloyd probably knows about 90-95% of the Patriots' playbook. Belichick and Bill O'Brien didn't say when McDaniels left that they were going to totally revise the playbook. The playbook today isn't that much different than the playbook in 2007. The Pats run different plays.

Again, why are you so obsessed with a "third TE"? Are back ups given different playbooks than starters? Because you are a back up it doesn't qualify you to understand and make comments about the playbook? I am sure he knew the play just as much as many of the starters. There is a reason why McDaniels acquired former Patriots like Daniel Graham and Jabar Gaffney. They knew his offense backwards and forward.

I am obsessed with the "third TE" because, mainly, the only player on offense who knows every route, every line call and every adjustment is the quarterback. Others basically know only their responsibilities in depth, most of the time, and I'd imagine the set of plays Dan Gronkowski had to know is very limited. I really can't imagine there would be a whole lot of different things two teams with similar offensive philosophy would ask of their blocking tight end.

But if Belichick said both systems are pretty much the same, then they are pretty much the same, and you should disregard my previous comments on the matter.

 

[TheSolderKing]

The dude makes INJURY PRONE (in all capital letters. He is not like the Energizer Bunny. Edelman is a cheap alkaline brand that has at its best, HALF the power and effectiveness of a Welker.


we need a vertical WR that can stretch and distract. Lloyd can be that guy





Edelman is the Welker clone that wasn't