I don't understand

[pats-blue]

And now you understand the error that NEM constantly makes.

Plays are judged good or bad only if they succeed, and that is measured after the play is done. Execution counts for naught. Good play by the defenders or bad play by a Pat matters not a smidgeion. Its all success, or the OC is an idiot...

That Safety was way way off of CJ. He wasn't within fifteen yards at the snap. I actually think the safety realized that CJ was uncovered at perhaps just a moment before the snap, and raced over to try to re-cover from the Team error.

The safety made a good play, but if the timing were slightly different, its relatively easy to sidestep a guy coming at you fill tilt. The open CJ could have gone a long way.

What was wrong with the play is Chad made a rookie mistake. He telegraphed the play. Chad's body language and lean tipped off the defender...which might surprise others on this board but is a NFL professional football player and if they EXECUTE thier assignments can...gasp sometimes stop even a well designed play. I played wide receiver at a fairly high level and believe me it was obvious what he was going to do. Add to that I am sure the defender could see even more in his eyes and being that close knowing tendencies ect.

I will also add I know he telegraphed the play because when I was starting out I did the EXACT same thing. Chad just got over eger and wanted to do his assignment properly.

Of course I am waiting for the "documentation" that was promised how putting up those points on the Jags and winning the AFC East is irrelevant as our OC is a "punk" among other things. I may miss it though as the joy has been sucked out of this board as I have to hear posters berate our team and I frequent the board much less now and rarely post as every thread I have to read how the Pats are so bad and insults about our coaches.

I don't need kool aid drinkers and you can complain about certain things but even with big wins you can rest assurred that the joy will be sucked out of you if you come to this board after a W and read how the play calling sucked. It has been the same after EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. Even the Bengals game still had complaints...oh and praise not for our OC, play calling...but for a "fan" who somehow thought the Pats listen to him.

What are we 2nd or 3rd in red zone? That is the mark of consistantcey but facts are in short supply on this board now and it is like listening to Red Sox fans (of which I am one..but don't complain and actually WANT them to win)

I would like nothing better than to come to this board and celebrate another Pats SB this year but if we do win it all I don't want to kill my euphoria by coming here and hearing how this or that sucked or some back hand comment how the "win" will be savored but later there will be posts on how our "punk" OC almost screwed it up.

Anyways only posted here because I had some insight on why that play didn't work and to vent. enternally hoping for an A**clown forum here so it can be enjoyable again.

Personally watching the Pats for the love of my team not to find fault in them........

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

There is an 'ignore' feature.
Problem is, the Yahoos get quoted.

 

[Digger44]

What was wrong with the play is Chad made a rookie mistake. He telegraphed the play. Chad's body language and lean tipped off the defender...which might surprise others on this board but is a NFL professional football player and if they EXECUTE thier assignments can...gasp sometimes stop even a well designed play. I played wide receiver at a fairly high level and believe me it was obvious what he was going to do. Add to that I am sure the defender could see even more in his eyes and being that close knowing tendencies ect.

I will also add I know he telegraphed the play because when I was starting out I did the EXACT same thing. Chad just got over eger and wanted to do his assignment properly.

Of course I am waiting for the "documentation" that was promised how putting up those points on the Jags and winning the AFC East is irrelevant as our OC is a "punk" among other things. I may miss it though as the joy has been sucked out of this board as I have to hear posters berate our team and I frequent the board much less now and rarely post as every thread I have to read how the Pats are so bad and insults about our coaches.

I don't need kool aid drinkers and you can complain about certain things but even with big wins you can rest assurred that the joy will be sucked out of you if you come to this board after a W and read how the play calling sucked. It has been the same after EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. Even the Bengals game still had complaints...oh and praise not for our OC, play calling...but for a "fan" who somehow thought the Pats listen to him.

What are we 2nd or 3rd in red zone? That is the mark of consistantcey but facts are in short supply on this board now and it is like listening to Red Sox fans (of which I am one..but don't complain and actually WANT them to win)

I would like nothing better than to come to this board and celebrate another Pats SB this year but if we do win it all I don't want to kill my euphoria by coming here and hearing how this or that sucked or some back hand comment how the "win" will be savored but later there will be posts on how our "punk" OC almost screwed it up.

Anyways only posted here because I had some insight on why that play didn't work and to vent. enternally hoping for an A**clown forum here so it can be enjoyable again.

Personally watching the Pats for the love of my team not to find fault in them........

Holy cow what a post. Great job.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Holy cow what a post. Great job.

Youse guys have motivated me to re-watch my TiVo of the game. I've been away from the home set over Christmas.

 

[Joker]

No if only we could get you to clean up the cellar and move out of Mommy's basement we'd really have something going on...

preceding gratuitous bashing courtesy of the latest,improved Joker 2007...

 

[PATSNUTme]

What was wrong with the play is Chad made a rookie mistake. He telegraphed the play. Chad's body language and lean tipped off the defender...which might surprise others on this board but is a NFL professional football player and if they EXECUTE thier assignments can...gasp sometimes stop even a well designed play. I played wide receiver at a fairly high level and believe me it was obvious what he was going to do. Add to that I am sure the defender could see even more in his eyes and being that close knowing tendencies ect.

I will also add I know he telegraphed the play because when I was starting out I did the EXACT same thing. Chad just got over eger and wanted to do his assignment properly.

Of course I am waiting for the "documentation" that was promised how putting up those points on the Jags and winning the AFC East is irrelevant as our OC is a "punk" among other things. I may miss it though as the joy has been sucked out of this board as I have to hear posters berate our team and I frequent the board much less now and rarely post as every thread I have to read how the Pats are so bad and insults about our coaches.

I don't need kool aid drinkers and you can complain about certain things but even with big wins you can rest assurred that the joy will be sucked out of you if you come to this board after a W and read how the play calling sucked. It has been the same after EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. Even the Bengals game still had complaints...oh and praise not for our OC, play calling...but for a "fan" who somehow thought the Pats listen to him.

What are we 2nd or 3rd in red zone? That is the mark of consistantcey but facts are in short supply on this board now and it is like listening to Red Sox fans (of which I am one..but don't complain and actually WANT them to win)

I would like nothing better than to come to this board and celebrate another Pats SB this year but if we do win it all I don't want to kill my euphoria by coming here and hearing how this or that sucked or some back hand comment how the "win" will be savored but later there will be posts on how our "punk" OC almost screwed it up.

Anyways only posted here because I had some insight on why that play didn't work and to vent. enternally hoping for an A**clown forum here so it can be enjoyable again.

Personally watching the Pats for the love of my team not to find fault in them........

This has to be a top 10 post of the year and the year is almost over.

I didn't see Jackson "telegraph" the play but, if he did it, was a rookie mistake and that's all. The play itself was a good call. Exectution is the key.

But, as I've stated before, we have expect the players on the other teams to make plays. That's why they are professionals.

 

[Digger44]

That damned play sucked from the beginning. Far too long developing, a long way for a pass to go PARALLEL to the line, and it was onthird down. You want to try a low percentage play like that, do it on 1st or 2nd down, dont kill a drive with it.

It was a good play by the defender, but because of the distance the ball had to travel, and it was parallel to the line, he had more than enough time to react..fromthe moment Brady looked over, to the time he ****ed his arm, to the time the ball had to travel parallel to the line, with no blockers in front of him , it was a bad, bad play call in that particular situation...low percentage, very low percentage.

paaahahhhaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa.

 

[Digger44]

and how was this all McD's fault?

 

[Digger44]

Hey, if your mind cant grab it, thats your problem, not mine. Have a nice evening.

It has nothing to do with my mind grasping your idiocy. You just cannot make a point that is logical because you have no clue about reality. Have a poor evening.

 

[pats-blue]

..........................



Hey, if your mind cant grab it, thats your problem, not mine. Have a nice evening.

You are an absolute JOKE. I played the game old man. I gave insight to this particular play and because it doesn't jibe with your warped sense of reality YOU are "intolerant". If someone doesn't agree with you you claim THEY aren't a fan. How many people have you accussed of not being a fan...hhhmm just about everyone on this board. You have done more to make Pats fans look like idiots in reality. HHHMMM how did you get banned on multiple forums? I have been a Pats fan all my life and while I am not a bitter old man like you I have many years ahead of me so your stupid statement that you will be a fan long after I draw my last breath is absured or one of your stupid veiled threat. As for the Vine, yeah I have a job to lose. I have seen your picture and your threats are the biggest joke of all. A paper bag could take you yet you continue with your stupid internet tough guy routine. My posts on the cheerleader thread had more football insight than any of your 17000 posts. I can't help it you never achieved anything worthwhile and your life is hollow. You have drove more people away from this board than anyone and it will be a grand day for all when you no longer post here. That is a FACT.

 

[Digger44]

You are an absolute JOKE. I played the game old man. I gave insight to this particular play and because it doesn't jibe with your warped sense of reality YOU are "intolerant". If someone doesn't agree with you you claim THEY aren't a fan. How many people have you accussed of not being a fan...hhhmm just about everyone on this board. You have done more to make Pats fans look like idiots in reality. HHHMMM how did you get banned on multiple forums? I have been a Pats fan all my life and while I am not a bitter old man like you I have many years ahead of me so your stupid statement that you will be a fan long after I draw my last breath is absured or one of your stupid veiled threat. As for the Vine, yeah I have a job to lose. I have seen your picture and your threats are the biggest joke of all. A paper bag could take you yet you continue with your stupid internet tough guy routine. My posts on the cheerleader thread had more football insight than any of your 17000 posts. I can't help it you never achieved anything worthwhile and your life is hollow. You have drove more people away from this board than anyone and it will be a grand day for all when you no longer post here. That is a FACT.

Well, facts are facts. It couldn't be stated any clearer.

 

[PatsSteve1]

I don't need kool aid drinkers and you can complain about certain things but even with big wins you can rest assurred that the joy will be sucked out of you if you come to this board after a W and read how the play calling sucked. It has been the same after EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. Even the Bengals game still had complaints...oh and praise not for our OC, play calling...but for a "fan" who somehow thought the Pats listen to him.

* Some criticism after a win, and I don't mean the OC bashing, comes from fans who just want to see the Patriots get better in some area's they have concerns about. I haven't bashed the OC at all, but after some wins may have a "complaint" or whatever about a certain player or turnovers or penalties, etc., or something else that is often seen as being negative, but is really just a fan wanting the Patriots to be better. Some "complaints" after a game, win or lose, are over the edge in my opinion. Like a guy has a bad game and someone posts like a hit man shuld be hired and the guy bumped off or something. There's constuctive criticism by a concerned fan that wants to see better and there over the edge EA responses. On a board with so many members it's probably unavoidable they'll be both.

 

[PatsSteve1]

It was a good play by the defender, but because of the distance the ball had to travel, and it was parallel to the line, he had more than enough time to react..fromthe moment Brady looked over, to the time he ****ed his arm, to the time the ball had to travel parallel to the line, with no blockers in front of him , it was a bad, bad play call in that particular situation...low percentage, very low percentage.[/QUOTE]

* The Patriots have thrown passes to WR's on Wr screen's for year where the ball travelled a lot father than that throw and done so successfully.

 

[Digger44]

I dont think you see any of those, at least none that I can recall.

Well you got the "I don't think" part right. You just called the guy a liar when you are the one who has proven over and over that you will not tell the truth. Not to mention your selective memory.

 

[PatsSteve1]

* The Patriots have thrown passes to WR's on Wr screen's for year where the ball travelled a lot father than that throw and done so successfully.

Yes, they have, and some have worked and some have not. This one, IMO, was very badly timed, on third down.....

* They've thrown them on 3rd down before with success also.

And, on third down, I would rather go downfield a little, maybe a quick slant ,

* I've been thinking about slants and have a theory. It's well known that Brady tells the OC, he did with CW and there's no reason to think he doesn't with JM, what passes he likes and dislikes. What patterns he likes to throw and dislikes. Maybe he doesn't like throwing slants. Also, many teams play the Pats with their safety up and play for the shorter passes. That puts extra D players in the lanes where a slant would be thrown. And many of Brady's passes, and I'm watching the Jags replay now on NFL Network, haven't been right on the money even when completed. Inaccurate slants can easily end up going the other way. It's a pass that has to be on the money or better be very low.

BTW, there wasnt one blocker in front of Jackson, not one.....so was it a screen or just a bad play call, period...

* When they've run that play to Troy in the slot he didn't have blockers either. The WR has to get it in time so he can make the 1st DB miss. It wasn't executed well. Throw a slant and don't execute it well and that'd be a bad play call, too -

 

[PatsSteve1]

I just saw The Play to Chad and he gave it away the moment the ball was snapped. I forget who posted that earlier but he was correct. He started looking back for teh ball at the snap, the DB didn't even have to think about it. when they used that play before, like to Troy he takes a step ot two forward, then steps back and them looks for the ball which allows him to have the seperation needed to make the 1st DB miss and gain yards.

 

[Digger44]

Points well taken. Ijust believe it was a low percentage type play for a third and long call.

In the replays of the game, from end zone cameras, there appeard to be a lot of room in the middle, in the 5-15 yard range. Just my impression from what I witnessed.

Actually I do not believe there were endzone camera shots for that play at all. Anybody check on Tivo? I think NEM just totally made that up.

 

[Digger44]

Did I say there was a lot of room in the middle on THAT play. Read what yuowant, but try to grasp the english language, if you can. Try "Hooked On Phonics" if it is too difficult for you.

Actually what I posted was in response to what you posted. Do you not understand what you write? You just claimed that you saw the replays from the endzone cameras. I certainly do not remember any such shots of the camera showing what you claim.

What does that have to do with hooked on phonics? Did I say that you said there was a lot of room in the middle of the field on THAT play?

Is there a reason that you supply any thought that you want into a persons post when they never actually type that thought???

Just in case you didn't get it once again, I think you lied about endzone cams on replay. There where no such cams shown on tv. You fabricated it. Get it yet, or do you need for me to draw you a cartoon?

 

[spacecrime]

I played the game

You are absolutely wasting your time. You cannot give facts to people who can only talk not listen.

There is a whole group here (as you noticed) who live to carp and whine and complain. To listen to them you would thing our team was the Lions or Raiders.

They have no sense of football, and think that by watching NFL Live every Tuesday on ESPN they know more than the coaching staffs who work at this 18 hours a day.

Mostly though, they thrive on negativity. Most of the board is not that way, but the loudest, most obnoxious ones are.

Don't waste your time. Use the ignore button. Then you only have to read their gibberish when other posters quote their nonsense.

 

[Digger44]

And, if you go back and read my response again, you , and everyone else, would see that it was in response to another poster (PatsSteve1)that was discussing inside slants and in routes.... But, as usual, you took it out of the context it was in. Nice try, you lose again. Arent you getting tired of losing by now?

Lose? What are you? A Jr Higher? It doesn't change that fact that you will not address the lie you just told about the endzone cams? How is exposing you once again as a liar a loss for me?

Why is it you feel you need to make up crap to give credibility to your posts. there were no endzone cams showing that play. You are a liar. Fact is fact.

Just like you lied about your friend calling you, no wait he left a message, no wait a friend called a friend, no wait............