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  1. Digger44

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    Why is it if a defender on the opposing team steps up and makes a solid defensive play, the play becomes a bad call from the OC???

    Example: The quick throw to Chad Jackson. The safety stepped up and layed the smackdown on CJ. Wow what a great defensive play? Nope, McD stinks and that play should never have been called.

    Question: What would have happened if the safety mis-played the throw (human players actually make mistakes and miss tackles) and CJ gets around the saftey? Who is going to stop CJ from the endzone?

    Answer: In theory, CJ has an open footrace for the endzone. More likley, CJ uses his speed for a good gain. It is certainly not a bad call by the OC. It is a great play on the ball by a defender.
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    The call was fine, we've had many good plays like that with our WR making the first guy miss. A bad throw ruined the possibility of that.
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    It is silly. Not every play an OC calls is going to work...and he shouldn't be roasted on a spit when it doesn't.
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    IMO, it was the combination of the ball getting there a little late and the DB stepping up to make the play. They've run the same play to others like Troy in the slot and they've made the 1st guy miss and gotten yards out of it. It just goes to show that execution of a play is more important than the pay call itself.
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    It was Brady's fault. We should bench him.

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    wow no response from the idiot crowd
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    it was bad call because it was thrown to chad jackson ! if it was caldwell then the CJ fans would say, 'throw to chad jackson' :)
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    Because a quick slant wound have been better there? :cool:
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    Is that play a play that never works, or are they setting it up? What will happen when Brady pumps at Chad, the DB bites on the fake, and Chad is running free in the secondary? Chad has issues, but that play hasn't worked all year and eventually they will suck the corner in and hit on a long one with it.
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    no kidding
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    I made the same point on the latest Chad Jakson is a dud thread.

    The other team has professional football players too. The Jax player made an excellent play. If he hadn't, ther were a lot of yards to pick up.

    Nothing wrong with the play call or Jackson. Just a good play by a good defensive football player.
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    Only if it was off play action.....
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    What is so difficult about comprehending this thought? Why the McD bashing? Why the dumb explanations? Why more screens and crosses? The guy made a great play.
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    Why post a thread that is basically just stirring up all the garbage between two sides of knuckle heads that have highjacked this board. You are as much a part of the problem as the people you dislike so much. Its a shame really. This site actually used to be about football. Now you have to wade through all thge he said/she said crap just to get a sniff of pigskin.
    High school is over for most of us.

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    Obviously its not over for for you. I think you mistook me for someone who cares if you like me? In fact, are you in Jr High?

    The thread is not a waste. It proves a valid point. What is the point? Josh McD is a solid 1st year OC. He coached his O to the AFCE title and put 24 points up on a team that gives up 9 at home.

    It is not two sides who are knuckleheads. It is a bout one side who doesnt live in reality and will always bash the OC and threaten anyone who is proud of what this team has accompliched.

    My friend, that is Patriot football.
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    And now you understand the error that NEM constantly makes.

    Plays are judged good or bad only if they succeed, and that is measured after the play is done. Execution counts for naught. Good play by the defenders or bad play by a Pat matters not a smidgeion. Its all success, or the OC is an idiot...

    That Safety was way way off of CJ. He wasn't within fifteen yards at the snap. I actually think the safety realized that CJ was uncovered at perhaps just a moment before the snap, and raced over to try to re-cover from the Team error.

    The safety made a good play, but if the timing were slightly different, its relatively easy to sidestep a guy coming at you fill tilt. The open CJ could have gone a long way.
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    Out of the no huddle...
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    I like this post. When all the Mcdaniels bashing was going on, thats exactly what i was thinking. Yes, i have disagreed with some of the play calling, but not to a point where i needed to bash him. Things happen, people make plays, theres nothing you can do about it. The times when the Pats lost, it just looked to me, no matter what plays where called they werent going to do anything. Im happy with this season, 11 wins is a respectable record.
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    no doubt about if frankie. no one is going to call a perfect game either. 11/15 isn't so bad. AFCE champion isn't so bad. But where are all the McD haters. Not a single one has touched this thread. They avoid facts such as, the guy made a great play.
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    What was wrong with the play is Chad made a rookie mistake. He telegraphed the play. Chad's body language and lean tipped off the defender...which might surprise others on this board but is a NFL professional football player and if they EXECUTE thier assignments can...gasp sometimes stop even a well designed play. I played wide receiver at a fairly high level and believe me it was obvious what he was going to do. Add to that I am sure the defender could see even more in his eyes and being that close knowing tendencies ect.

    I will also add I know he telegraphed the play because when I was starting out I did the EXACT same thing. Chad just got over eger and wanted to do his assignment properly.

    Of course I am waiting for the "documentation" that was promised how putting up those points on the Jags and winning the AFC East is irrelevant as our OC is a "punk" among other things. I may miss it though as the joy has been sucked out of this board as I have to hear posters berate our team and I frequent the board much less now and rarely post as every thread I have to read how the Pats are so bad and insults about our coaches.

    I don't need kool aid drinkers and you can complain about certain things but even with big wins you can rest assurred that the joy will be sucked out of you if you come to this board after a W and read how the play calling sucked. It has been the same after EVERY GAME THIS YEAR. Even the Bengals game still had complaints...oh and praise not for our OC, play calling...but for a "fan" who somehow thought the Pats listen to him.

    What are we 2nd or 3rd in red zone? That is the mark of consistantcey but facts are in short supply on this board now and it is like listening to Red Sox fans (of which I am one..but don't complain and actually WANT them to win)

    I would like nothing better than to come to this board and celebrate another Pats SB this year but if we do win it all I don't want to kill my euphoria by coming here and hearing how this or that sucked or some back hand comment how the "win" will be savored but later there will be posts on how our "punk" OC almost screwed it up.

    Anyways only posted here because I had some insight on why that play didn't work and to vent. enternally hoping for an A**clown forum here so it can be enjoyable again.

    Personally watching the Pats for the love of my team not to find fault in them........
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    Holy cow what a post. Great job.
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    This has to be a top 10 post of the year and the year is almost over.

    I didn't see Jackson "telegraph" the play but, if he did it, was a rookie mistake and that's all. The play itself was a good call. Exectution is the key.

    But, as I've stated before, we have expect the players on the other teams to make plays. That's why they are professionals.
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    and how was this all McD's fault?
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    It has nothing to do with my mind grasping your idiocy. You just cannot make a point that is logical because you have no clue about reality. Have a poor evening.
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    You are an absolute JOKE. I played the game old man. I gave insight to this particular play and because it doesn't jibe with your warped sense of reality YOU are "intolerant". If someone doesn't agree with you you claim THEY aren't a fan. How many people have you accussed of not being a fan...hhhmm just about everyone on this board. You have done more to make Pats fans look like idiots in reality. HHHMMM how did you get banned on multiple forums? I have been a Pats fan all my life and while I am not a bitter old man like you I have many years ahead of me so your stupid statement that you will be a fan long after I draw my last breath is absured or one of your stupid veiled threat. As for the Vine, yeah I have a job to lose. I have seen your picture and your threats are the biggest joke of all. A paper bag could take you yet you continue with your stupid internet tough guy routine. My posts on the cheerleader thread had more football insight than any of your 17000 posts. I can't help it you never achieved anything worthwhile and your life is hollow. You have drove more people away from this board than anyone and it will be a grand day for all when you no longer post here. That is a FACT.

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