Ryan Mallett trade speculation

[JoeShmoe]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Stop this nonsense

They have Collins, and Garrard is available should they want another QB

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Why Mallet and not Tim Tebow, Jon Beck or David Garrard?

What has Mallet shown them that others haven't? Their whole system is based on timing patterns, quick releases and audibles at the line of scrimmage. Mallet is a Drew Bledsoe big arm guy. Hoyer would be far better for that system.

Why would the Colts want to give up their potentially high 1st rounder to a team Polian so obviously hates?

Honestly, the blind fantasizing in here tonight is incredible.

Because Tim Tebow has been around for 2 seasons and he can't beat out Orton to start or possibly even Quinn as a backup. He's an intangibles guy who doesn't remotely have the skillset to even project to function in Indy's system. Beck couldn't beat out freakin' Rex Grossman. Garrard is what he is and has always been, a stopgap JAG. They have Collins in for that gig already... Hoyer doesn't have the arm or the potential to keep fannies in seats...not to mention he's spent 3 years in a totally different system. Polian prefers fairly raw prospects who have yet to learn bad habits or become fairly set in their way. Mallett has passed initial muster with Bill and (hopefully) basically learned to take things seriously and keep his nose clean and work like a rented mule at getting better mechanically by listening to coaching... More like a polished draft pick.

 

[livinginthe past]

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So the premise for this ridiculous thread is a tweet from someone called the 'NFLDraftmonster' (no, I don't who he is supposed to be either) where he tells us about a rumor that he can't confirm.

This forum has officially gone full ******.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Tebow was a first round draft choice who gained some experience last year.
Mallett was a 3rd round draft choice who hasnt taken an NFL real snap.
How is Tebow ruled out as a QB of the future but Mallett qualifies?
I understand you think Tebow sucks but he was more highly regarded when he was drafted than Mallett was.

Perhaps that will bring some persepctive to this thread.
NFL GMs felt Tebow was a more valuable draft choice than Mallett.
Anyone think the Colts are offering a 1 for Tebow?

Hindsight is always 20/20. A lot of GM's wish they had taken a flyer on Mallett. Considering Ijalana couldn't beat out a JAG OT in a season when Manning's future is now debatable, Polian is possibly one of them. I don't think anyone other than Josh still thinks Tebow was worth a #1...if he even does... Tebow lacks skill. Mallett doesn't. Teams questioned if Mallett has the intangibles. All Tebow has are intangibles... You can win with a talented QB who lacks intangibles (to some extent). You can't win with a QB who has little more than intangibles...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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I have zero problem with a rumor that they have asked about Mallet or that there could be a trade for him.

There have been folks here stating they think it could be a 1st rounder. That's where I have to laugh. There are too many reasons for the Colts not to even entertain the thought of giving up a 1st rounder to Belichick for Mallet. In the 1% chance that they would, Belichick would fall out of his chair rushing to make the trade official.

You forget you are talking about a guy who traded a franchise QB to a division rival for a #1, cut a pro bowl safety on the eve of the season (twice now...), traded a #6 pick DE he had no replacement for in the prime of his career for a future #1 on the even of another season, traded a HOF WR for a 4th rounder pick in next years draft in week 4 of last season and stuck with a 6th round backup QB when his team was 5-5 and played him through to the SB even on a bum ankle...while the guy who was worth a #1 sulked on the bench as his backup...

And a guy whose legacy is being trashed by a fan base incensed that he ever let the future of their franhise come to this...

 

[goz421]

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Wow! I can't believe people don't see Mallet is a potential starter in the league and Hoyer is mediocre backup at best. That was evident to me pregame 1.

Yes Mallett has a ways to go but his cieling is much higher.

I say win now. if we can get a solid position player were we are weak, go for it.

Mallett is a few years away.

 

[upstater1]

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Wow! I can't believe people don't see Mallet is a potential starter in the league and Hoyer is mediocre backup at best. That was evident to me pregame 1.

Yes Mallett has a ways to go but his cieling is much higher.

I say win now. if we can get a solid position player were we are weak, go for it.

Mallett is a few years away.

You base that off one preseason game?

You ignore Hoyer's performance in an actual regular season game that mattered? He played against Houston in week 17 when Houston was actually fighting for a playoff berth, and he played pretty well.

 

[IcyPatriot]

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... :beersign: ... this forum ... 168 posts based on a Tweet ... a simple TWEET ... .

 

[scout]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Stop this nonsense

They have Collins, and Garrard is available should they want another QB

Could anyone imagine Garrard with that long release playing qb with that Colts line?

 

[scout]

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... :beersign: ... this forum ... 168 posts based on a Tweet ... a simple TWEET ... .

We don't play until Monday night. What better way to get the juices flowing then trade talk.

 

[ausbacker]

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... :beersign: ... this forum ... 168 posts based on a Tweet ... a simple TWEET ... .

And an ensuing argument where one person clearly states it's a hypothetical situation. Go figure huh.

 

[Fencer]

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If you could get a 2012 #1 for Mallett now before a. investing more time and effort in teaching him this system and b. finding out he potentially isn't a fit you'd be silly not to. A 2012 #1 for Mallett that will likely be in the top 10 would be worth exponentially more than a #1 and a #1 say in 2013...if you could even anticipate him projecting to create (as Brady's backup) the kind of buzz he'd have to be generating by then to warrant that kind of potential value.

For Indy to invest a 2012 first or second round pick in a QB he will have to project as someone who could theoretically replace Manning. Hoyer doesn't project as that. Mallett potentially could. And that's not even a knock on Hoyer, it simply is what it is. Hoyer projects as a potential replacement for someone who never panned out on a team otherwise build to win if they just had a competent guy at the position.

Exactly.

However, it seems Mallett partied a bit at a rookie symposium right before training camp, and that reminder of character concerns probably knocks his trade value down below the level we'd be excited about.

 

[rookBoston]

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The reason this thread is so popular is because the concept is tantalizing, and the stakes are significant. This trade is unlikely to go down, but it does reflect a few points of reality that resonate (1) that the Colts have need for depth and youth at QB, (2) BB has invested a luxury pick on a young player with a high ceiling, without an imminent need, (3) BB believes in grooming QBs that he can monetize into trade value.

I don't believe that BB intends that Mallett will ever play QB for him, barring a catastrophe to Brady. The timing is off, and unless Tom is unreasonable in his contract demands, they have a marriage made in heaven. Mallett is a project, like Cassell, for the future.

The season for the Colts isn't going to be any different whether they trade for Mallett or not. They are committed to Collins and Manning, however that works out. But that balloon payment on Manning's contract is looking pretty serious, and they must be wondering what they going to do about 2013. Getting a kid into the system now has value for the Colts franchise that it didn't just a few weeks ago.

Not sure if they'd be willing to offer a 1st. It is possible, if they feel really trapped. Next year's draft class may not be as deep at QB as it was this year. Mallett might have been a top-30 selection next year...and the value of a year in the system...that's not nothing.

Indy was very public prior to the draft about the idea of drafting a young QB to be groomed, but it didn't shake out. And for the record, the Colts 3rd round pick was #87. Mallet went #74. In the second round, they took an OT, a major need, not a hypothetical need. I'm sure they have regrets about the draft, and wish they had been more aggressive, assuming they liked Mallett.

I think they might reasonably offer a 2nd rounder for Mallett, which is even value for what the Pats spent in the draft, based on the idea that a year delay is worth about one round of value. And BB might say yes, if they kick in as little as a 4th. If they up it to a 2012 2nd + 2013 2nd, that's starting to smell better.

It's a bit of a wild notion, but not as implausible as this thread has made it seem. Mallett has been one of the most highly regarded college QBs for many years, and the kind of young player a team would invest in.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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The reason this thread is so popular is because the concept is tantalizing, and the stakes are significant. This trade is unlikely to go down, but it does reflect a few points of reality that resonate (1) that the Colts have need for depth and youth at QB, (2) BB has invested a luxury pick on a young player with a high ceiling, without an imminent need, (3) BB believes in grooming QBs that he can monetize into trade value.

I don't believe that BB intends that Mallett will ever play QB for him, barring a catastrophe to Brady. The timing is off, and unless Tom is unreasonable in his contract demands, they have a marriage made in heaven. Mallett is a project, like Cassell, for the future.

The season for the Colts isn't going to be any different whether they trade for Mallett or not. They are committed to Collins and Manning, however that works out. But that balloon payment on Manning's contract is looking pretty serious, and they must be wondering what they going to do about 2013. Getting a kid into the system now has value for the Colts franchise that it didn't just a few weeks ago.

Not sure if they'd be willing to offer a 1st. It is possible, if they feel really trapped. Next year's draft class may not be as deep at QB as it was this year. Mallett might have been a top-30 selection next year...and the value of a year in the system...that's not nothing.

Indy was very public prior to the draft about the idea of drafting a young QB to be groomed, but it didn't shake out. And for the record, the Colts 3rd round pick was #87. Mallet went #74. In the second round, they took an OT, a major need, not a hypothetical need. I'm sure they have regrets about the draft, and wish they had been more aggressive, assuming they liked Mallett.

I think they might reasonably offer a 2nd rounder for Mallett, which is even value for what the Pats spent in the draft, based on the idea that a year delay is worth about one round of value. And BB might say yes, if they kick in as little as a 4th. If they up it to a 2012 2nd + 2013 2nd, that's starting to smell better.

It's a bit of a wild notion, but not as implausible as this thread has made it seem. Mallett has been one of the most highly regarded college QBs for many years, and the kind of young player a team would invest in.

Mallett could easily net a 2nd from a desperate team not to mention a conditional pick or picks based on whether or not he starts a minimum number of games for them in 2011 or 2012... And that could appeal to someone like Polian a lot more that using their 1st in 2011 on any QB prospect or even being in a position where they have to hope down they stretch they are in position to even compete for one...

Bill Polian has a HUGE ego and a ****storm is currently reigning down on him that could tarnish his legacy. Draft picks comparatively don't mean squat to him right now. He screws up enough of them as it is lately...

 

[Ochmed Jones]

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It's a bit of a wild notion, but not as implausible as this thread has made it seem. Mallett has been one of the most highly regarded college QBs for many years, and the kind of young player a team would invest in.

I'm of the opinion that teams felt he had a 10 million dollar a year plus arm, but a 10 cent head. And that is why he fell to us in the third. Not sure how many teams regarded him highly, especially after looking at his decision making on tape.

Clearly Luck should be the QB the Colts focus on for the 2012 draft.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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I'm of the opinion that teams felt he had a 10 million dollar a year plus arm, but a 10 cent head. And that is why he fell to us in the third. Not sure how many teams regarded him highly, especially after looking at his decision making on tape.

Clearly Luck should be the QB the Colts focus on for the 2012 draft.

Luck still has to navigate at least another season. And teams might question whether or not football matters to him given he opted not to come out as a #1 selection this season... And the Colts may not be in position to draft Luck even if they want to. In the division they play they could easily win 5+ games by default. And given the importance of the bottom line to that team, they can't afford to tank this season. If they do it will be it's own form of disaster on top of their worst fear which remains that Manning could be done a lot sooner than anticipated if not already...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Exactly.

However, it seems Mallett partied a bit at a rookie symposium right before training camp, and that reminder of character concerns probably knocks his trade value down below the level we'd be excited about.

As I recall there were some character concerns surrounding the last player Polian picked at the position, yet he took him #1...

 

[patchick]

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Many thanks to rookBoston for his calm summation of the situation. It's all hypothetical, but it's interesting. Imagine you're a GM with a talented but aging core of stars, and as the season begins you suddenly find yourself with no quarterback -- possibly for good. What do you do?

You're too late to enter the fray for the top FAs, but you need to put a credible team on the field. Step one: lure a canny vet with experience in this kind of emergency out of retirement. Done.

Now you have to take a deep breath and consider 2012. The draft is the obvious approach, but remember that core of aging but still talented stars? Are you really prepared to blow it all up and start long-term rebuilding, if you think you're still a QB away from competing for a title? You have to explore every other option first.

The veterans on the market at this point are JAGs at best. Time to scour depth charts. You're looking for a young QB whose:

- physical skills suggest the potential to become a legit NFL starter
- development is blocked by a veteran starter
- team isn't really counting on him and might be willing to part with him

I've taken a quick look at all 32 depth charts, and here are the candidates I see:

Jimmy Clausen
Joe Webb
Brady Quinn
Tim Tebow
Stephen McGee
Mike Kafka
Ryan Mallett

So, which of those guys would you stake your future on, and what would you give for them?

 

[shmessy]

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There's a million reasons why this would never happen but I'll pick one, pride. If he were to do this Polian would basically be admitting that he screwed up so badly by not having a plan b that he had to trade a first to his own personal devil to make up for it.

If it were true I'd pay for pay per view to hear the conversations between the Bill's to get this done. NFL Network could pimp that harder than the upcoming special on BB.

Precisley.

The folks talking about this possibility are blind to whom the people involved in such a trade are.

Folks, please google "Bill Polian" and "Patriots". You're talking a neurotic megalomaniac who is the source of the Kravitz' May column. Everything he does he comments on how the Patriots would do it worse. In the morning, if he gets a bagel, he mutters "Belichick would screw this up by putting on too much cream cheese". He's obsessed.

 

[patchick]

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Precisley.

The folks chirping about this possibility are blind to whom the people involved in such a trade are.

Folks, please google "Bill Polian" and "Patriots". You're talking a neurotic megalomaniac who is the source of the Kravitz' May column. Everything he does he comments on how the Patriots would do it worse. He's obsessed.

I can't argue with that, but this thread is about a rumor that Polian already made a call about Mallett. The ensuing discussion all takes place in the hypothetical bubble where that rumor is true, so pride swallowing has already occurred.