I am convinced Goddell is an idiot

[MoLewisrocks]

Seriously? Goddell is a bad commissioner, because his father intervened on his behalf when he was in high school?



Huh? The CBA was done before Goddell. There is nothing he could have done after becoming commissioner... other than sign another bad deal. A ten year deal which is fair to all parties was the very best possible outcome, and Roger nailed it. What would you have done differently?



Utter nonsense without a shred of support.



There is nothing unintentional there. I disagree with Goddell's decisions all the time. But I respect him for acting in the best interests of the game as he understands it, instead of being cowed into inaction by the legions of haters. Your reams of paranoid innuendo make my point.

I certainly disagreed with Roger's decision on Spygate. But Roger didn't create the situation in the public press. That mess was a result of the Patriots and Mangini. And his ultimate decision was entirely consistent with his overriding disciplinary theme: whatever makes the NFL look bad has to go.

If the national press had adopted an attitude of "it was just a misunderstanding over a memo", I am sure the outcome would have been different. Unfortunately, just about the only people who saw it this way were Patriots fans.

A belated... :welcome:

...a place that is unfortunately, increasingly becoming an incredibly insecurity and paranoia driven, or troll baiting, if not semantic hairsplitting waste of bandwidth... You should post more often. Rational discourse is at a premium here.

 

[Clonamery]

Seriously? Goddell is a bad commissioner, because his father intervened on his behalf when he was in high school?



Huh? The CBA was done before Goddell. There is nothing he could have done after becoming commissioner... other than sign another bad deal. A ten year deal which is fair to all parties was the very best possible outcome, and Roger nailed it. What would you have done differently?



Utter nonsense without a shred of support.



There is nothing unintentional there. I disagree with Goddell's decisions all the time. But I respect him for acting in the best interests of the game as he understands it, instead of being cowed into inaction by the legions of haters. Your reams of paranoid innuendo make my point.

I certainly disagreed with Roger's decision on Spygate. But Roger didn't create the situation in the public press. That mess was a result of the Patriots and Mangini. And his ultimate decision was entirely consistent with his overriding disciplinary theme: whatever makes the NFL look bad has to go.

If the national press had adopted an attitude of "it was just a misunderstanding over a memo", I am sure the outcome would have been different. Unfortunately, just about the only people who saw it this way were Patriots fans.

Good stuff but "Roger nailed it?"

Please.

 

[jBru]

A belated... :welcome:

Thanks. I'm pleased to be here.

 

[Dessalines]

What do you expect from a lawyer who worked in the YETS organization? Einstein?

 

[sportsreport360]

Goodell has a tough job and generally I do not side with the players, but it is clear that he needs a team to help make decisions, instead of everything just coming from one voice. Well, he may not love the Jets very much after the Pats beat them convincingly this season.

 

[flasox27]

Thanks. I'm pleased to be here.

I am sure the Goodell apologists and Jets trolls masquerading as psuedo Pats fans welcome you, but don't count on any real Pats fans.
Since you have put Goodell on a pedestal for his unbiased integrity perhaps you can enlighten us as to why:
!. The Jets have never been fined a draft choice even though they have filmed the Pats after the warning was issued, tampered with other teams players, and tripped the Miami player in an effort to interfere with play on the field.
2. No other team but the Pats have had a first round taken away despite repeat violations by the Broncos and 49ers.
3. The tapes were mysteriously destroyed while under his possession when there destruction could only have proven that other teams were engaged in the same practice.
4. Tapes supposedly confidential were leaked to Fox TV in an effort to embarass the Pats after which Goodell pledged to conduct an investion into who leaked the tapes which never occured.
Feel free to support Goodell and root for the Jets. Just don't think you are fooling anybody on this site.

 

[jBru]

I am sure the Goodell apologists and Jets trolls masquerading as psuedo Pats fans welcome you, but don't count on any real Pats fans.
Since you have put Goodell on a pedestal for his unbiased integrity perhaps you can enlighten us as to why:
!. The Jets have never been fined a draft choice even though they have filmed the Pats after the warning was issued, tampered with other teams players, and tripped the Miami player in an effort to interfere with play on the field.
2. No other team but the Pats have had a first round taken away despite repeat violations by the Broncos and 49ers.
3. The tapes were mysteriously destroyed while under his possession when there destruction could only have proven that other teams were engaged in the same practice.
4. Tapes supposedly confidential were leaked to Fox TV in an effort to embarass the Pats after which Goodell pledged to conduct an investion into who leaked the tapes which never occured.
Feel free to support Goodell and root for the Jets. Just don't think you are fooling anybody on this site.

During Goddell's watch there has been no situation remotely comparable to that of the Patriots:

1. Massive media exposure bleeding into mainstream news coverage.

2. Overwhelming public opinion that the Patriots cheated; genuinely calling into question the integrity of the game.

I expect that if this circumstance repeated itself, Goddell would act similarly.

BTW, as far as I'm concerned, the Patriots hardly did anything wrong. Filming is legal, the use of sideline personnel to do so is not. In a league in which genital mauling is a common technique for obtaining possession of a fumble, the location of the camera hardly seems like a big deal.

But the issue for Goddell is not fairness it is protecting the game. Failure to act harshly would have represented a significant risk to the NFL brand. Acting harshly was relatively risk free.

 

[lurker1965]

Yessir,

Reactive, judgmental, and paranoid. Not the sort of person to be in this position. He'll be the Captain Queeg of the NFL in the history books.

But there REALLy are Strawberries.*

(OK, it has been a while. It might have been fresh raspberries or cherries or even ice cream he claimed they wanted to steal.)

 

[Joker]

Seriously? Goddell is a bad commissioner, because his father intervened on his behalf when he was in high school?..no, Goodell demonstrated thuggish behaviour towards fans of other teams while attending Jet games when he was in high school. This predilection suddenly disappeared when he entered the workforce of the NFL as a JET intern?...or was it simply stuffed under a veneer? Of course, you have already minimized these incidents by using this lame disclaimer "just because daddy intervened for good 'ol just having fun Rog"...obviously, you are just calloused towards anybody who has had negative interactions with Goodell, preferring to minimize HIS behaviour and IGNORE the victims because "oh well, tee hee hee, boys will be boys".



Huh? The CBA was done before Goddell. There is nothing he could have done after becoming commissioner... other than sign another bad deal......Huh??? That statement is RIDICULOUS. HE doesn't sign ANYTHING!! He SHOULD have worked much much harder at getting both sides together and work out a deal BEFORE a potentially crippling strike.Instead he chose to spend the intervening seasons since his hiring to grandstand in the press with all his "good for the game" decisions".... A ten year deal which is fair to all parties was the very best possible outcome, and Roger nailed it.Roger nailed NOTHING! There was a complete impasse until Goodell was removed from the negotiations and relegated to the sidelines as an onlooker, while owner Robert Kraft sat down with the head of the player's union, DeMaurice Smith, and hammered out the NEW agreement.Then, when the sticky issues were overcome, Goodell comes swooping back in to grab all the glory as "savior of football!!"....Jeff Saturday, of course, let the whole world know who was primarily responsible...Perhaps you were on another planet when all this occurred...“A special thanks to Myra Kraft who even in her weakest moment allowed Mr. Kraft to come and fight this out and without him this deal does not get done. I don’t want to be climatic in any way, but he is a man who helped us save football. We’re so gracious for that, we’re gracious for his family and for the opportunity he presented to get this deal done.”..What would you have done differently?what I would have done, was what WAS done...get Goodell out of the negotiations until a deal could be struck.



Utter nonsense without a shred of support.utter nonsense? smoke but no fire?..it is exactly people like YOU that march to the beat of the "it can't be!!!" drummer that ALLOWS criminal conspiracy to take firm root.
Before Ivan Boesky and that arbitrage scandal, YOU are exactly that type of guy right there extolling his virtues before the Beverly Hills Hotel Corporation.

Before Watergate, YOU would have uttered "nonsense" if anyone broached the subject of corruption...as John Mitchell so eloquently stated to the Washington Post... "utter nonsense without a shred of support"...of course you would have turned out to be a FOOL.

Bernard Madoff, ten years ago...YOU would have cried "utter nonsense!!!" if anyone suggested he built his empire through a gigantic Ponzi scheme.



There is nothing unintentional there. I disagree with Goddell's decisions all the time. But I respect him for acting in the best interests of the game as he understands it, instead of being cowed into inaction by the legions of haters. Your reams of paranoid innuendo make my point...this is rich...I POSTED the fines and sanctions Goodell handed out to the Patriots and then the fines and sanctions handed out to the Jets...reams of FACT...either YOU do not understand simple mathematics or you are being deliberately obtuse. Personally, I find a rich, spoiled little brat throwing a temper tantrum and fining an NFL team a million dollars, with untold subsequent monetary ramifications and stripping a first round pick building block to be REPREHENSIBLE...especially when one contrasts THAT decision with the decision to fine the NY Jets head coach and FACE of the franchise a mere 50 K for THIS...

...let's make it even MORE blatant...

Goodell has continually pushed HIS "goody two shoes " agenda yet when THIS happens...all of a sudden it's 100% spin control, Rex being Rex, har har yuck and "we love Rex so much , we'll pay the fifty thousand dollar fine" coming from the players and coaching staff...in print, in Goodell's face...and N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Who ultimately PAID that slap on the wrist? Do YOU know??? Does your precious Commissioner Herodell? I KNOW who paid the obscene, preposterous and most likely CRIMINAL fines imposed by Goodell on the Patriots...Bob Kraft, the Patriots Organization and ALL Patriots fans.

I certainly disagreed with Roger's decision on Spygate. But Roger didn't create the situation in the public press. That mess was a result of the Patriots and Mangini.heh...watch out for that land mine!!!!!...oops...TOO LATE...the week before the opener with the Pats, on a Thursday, Eric Mangini had a meeting in the NFL headquarters,280 Park Avenue New York,with Roger Goodell.No one in the media has EVER found out the particulars of that meeting. It took me a week of corresponding and then visiting NFL headquarters in NYC to get a look at the check-in log for that date. There it was, Eric Mangini 3:30 P.M. I POSSESS a copy of this sign in and a validation from security at NFL headquarters as to its veracity.What was discussed at that meeting??? Do YOU have any idea?? Maybe they talked about "utter nonsense!!!!". I doubt it. Subsequent to this meeting, after the Jets lost to the Patriots, Spygate broke and all hell with it..And his ultimate decision was entirely consistent with his overriding disciplinary theme: whatever makes the NFL look bad has to go.except a drunken, finger flippin' Rex Ryan, a toe fetishist degenerate Rex Ryan, a dead beat player with nine wives who doesn't even know half his kids names, a drunk driving menace to society, a blatant in game tripper of opposing players forming a wall and committing in game acts of assault and, to top it all all, a old drunk,special teams coach blabbering how it's all Bill Belichick's fault. I suppose THIS is all "utter nonsense@!!!" in YOUR dimensional reality...wherever the hell THAT is.

If the national press had adopted an attitude of "it was just a misunderstanding over a memo", I am sure the outcome would have been different. Unfortunately, just about the only people who saw it this way were Patriots fans...yeah ..unfortunately...just like the millions of Poles and Hungarians who saw the German blitzkrieg while the idiotic Neville Chamberlains applauded the "good job Adolph is doing!!!", Patriots fans are left to defend every single game their team plays. Patriots fans children grow up being bombarded with the totally moronic sound bytes of Joey Porter clones,disgruntled Marshall Faulk bobble heads and holier than thou, preachy denunciations by the Kurt Warners and Steve Youngs....but good ol' Rog is doing a great job!!!!

I am a Patriots fan...what team are YOU a fan of...I'm a little unsure ...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I am a Patriots fan...what team are YOU a fan of...I'm a little unsure ...

Your a charicature of the arrogant, insecure, paranoid, troll baiting Patriot fan that the interweb has spawned... You don't talk football because you're uncomfortable engaging in intelligent discussion on the subject or much else. So you spew hyperbole and either mock those who attempt to or make lame jokes to distract attention from rational discussions...

 

[Joker]

Your a charicature of the arrogant, insecure, paranoid, troll baiting Patriot fan that the interweb has spawned... You don't talk football because you're uncomfortable engaging in intelligent discussion on the subject or much else. So you spew hyperbole and either mock those who attempt to or make lame jokes to distract attention from rational discussions...

Thanx Mo..have a nice day

 

[jBru]

I am a Patriots fan...what team are YOU a fan of...I'm a little unsure ...

I am a HUGE Patriots fan. When they are eliminated each year I practically go into mourning. I'm just not delusional or paranoid.

 

[Joker]

then we agree to disagree...fine with me...as you can see, I'm extremely adamant about what I see as an ongoing criminal conspiracy..it is not borne of delusion nor paranoia but rather cynicism, after a lifetime of watching the feet of clay parade in our society.

and yes...welcome to the board...as Mo pointed out...I am known for over the top knee jerk outbursts now and then...but I've been a faithful Patriots fan since the first game they ever played...you would think I would have learned SOMETHING about foot ball in all those years...:bricks:

 

[Koma]

During Goddell's watch there has been no situation remotely comparable to that of the Patriots:

1. Massive media exposure bleeding into mainstream news coverage.

2. Overwhelming public opinion that the Patriots cheated; genuinely calling into question the integrity of the game.

I expect that if this circumstance repeated itself, Goddell would act similarly.

BTW, as far as I'm concerned, the Patriots hardly did anything wrong. Filming is legal, the use of sideline personnel to do so is not. In a league in which genital mauling is a common technique for obtaining possession of a fumble, the location of the camera hardly seems like a big deal.

But the issue for Goddell is not fairness it is protecting the game. Failure to act harshly would have represented a significant risk to the NFL brand. Acting harshly was relatively risk free.

I also want to say "Welcome to the Board" and point out that I agree with you that there are positives about Goodell's tenure. Getting the CBA done without missing any games (well, except the HOF game). I've enjoyed the new draft format and the changes to the game scheduling (Season opener on Thursday night, 2 Monday night games on opening weekend, flex scheduling, etc).

I don't want to re-hash the entire situation from 2007, because that has been done at least once before on this board, but there is an argument that Goodell fueled some of the media frenzy and questioning the integrity of the game by coming down so hard on the Patriots - The "If it wasn't that serious a violation, why was the punishment so harsh?" line of thinking.

It was going to be a big story either way (A NFL dynasty breaks the rules), but I'd like to think that if Goodell had to do it over again, he'd probably administer the same punishment, but he may explain the situation better. That is, say some of the same things he said at the SB press conference that year, like the Parcells quote "Any coach that doesn't expect his signals to be stolen is stupid."

That way, he could have made his point to the teams not to ignore league rules and memos and also avoided the perception that the integrity of the game was compromised.

 

[Gumby]

I have two words to fix the ALL the NFL's PROBLEMS:

Condoleeza Rice.

:rocker:

Let's hear it for a commish that looks hot in skirts!!!

 

[Clonamery]

I am a HUGE Patriots fan. When they are eliminated each year I practically go into mourning. I'm just not delusional or paranoid.

maybe you should be.

 

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by jBru
I am a HUGE Patriots fan. When they are eliminated each year I practically go into mourning. I'm just not delusional or paranoid.

maybe you should be.

You are only considered delusional or paranoid until history proves you right.

See: Churchill.

 

[Clonamery]

You are only considered delusional or paranoid until history proves you right.

See: Churchill.

Depends who controls history/power.

See: Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders Charge up San Juan Hill.

 

[flasox27]

I am a HUGE Patriots fan. When they are eliminated each year I practically go into mourning. I'm just not delusional or paranoid.

I guess that you have no reponse other than the media made him do it and the media doesn't let him punish any one else. I don't take objection to the punishment meted out to the Pats if the same punishment is given to every team for rules violations. That is the fair and unbiased behavior to be expected in the commissioner. If Goodell lacks the cajones to stand up to the media and be fair and unbiased in his punishment, he is unfit for the job. Frankly I do not see any difference from his treatment of the Pats and the rantings of Greg Easterbrook who apparently you feel he has to cater to.
If you are a Pats fan I can only shudder to think what a troll is.

 

[jBru]

You are only considered delusional or paranoid until history proves you right.

See: Churchill.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Even a consistently paranoid man is right occasionally:

The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them, have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstituition of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus, Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krasin or Radek--all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers is astonishing.

~ Winston Churchill, 'A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People'