Jets tried to get Tate

[supafly]

Why do Pats fans keep mentioning Bodden? Has he even played a regular season game for them yet?

Yeah, ok, Warren was a loss, was it bigger than the Jets losing Jenkins?

Wright? Who?

As for Moss, I thought Pats fans were saying his trade was a win because it allowed Brady and the offense to return to the offensive flow where he was able to spread the ball around and not have to satisfy the diva WR on the downside of his career? Can't have it both ways...

You are kidding me right? About Bodden??

He had 5 picks here in the 2009 season, 2 fumble returns, and 17 passes defended---and had just signed a pretty big contract in free agency.

Do you even know football at all? I am beginning to wonder..

 

[BradyFTW!]

You mean in the pre-season?

Well there haven't been any regular season games yet, so... yeah.

 

[BradyFTW!]

You are kidding me right? About Bodden??

He had 5 picks here in the 2009 season, 2 fumble returns, and 17 passes defended---and had just signed a pretty big contract in free agency.

Do you even know football at all? I am beginning to wonder..

3 of those picks were against Sanchez, no less. In one game. You would think that he would have remembered that... I'm honestly questioning whether he watches his own team, since I'm about 90% sure at this point that I know more about the Jets than he does.

 

[JetFan1]

The only stat that you need to know is that Tate had 20-25 catches in 2 yrs here.

Which is 20-25 catches more than Price has done in his NFL career.

That, and the fact that he could not properly read/run/react to his tree routes based on the opposing defense made him a bad fit here. There's also the change in the kickoff rule, which was about the icing on the cake and the last thing going for him.

That's all well and good depending on what spin you're listening to or reading, but if it wasn't a bad fit the previous two years, it isn't all of a sudden a bad fit, but that isn't the point here...

Regardless of whether or not Price works out, Tate was not going to cut it here, and was getting to be a waste of space on a very competitive 53 man roster.

Any comparison to the Woodhead situation (what did he do there that is even close to Tate's issues here?) is way off-base.

That is the difference..And it is a very substantial difference at that.

You're wrong IMO, it is extremely ON base, Price was kept for his upside, just as McKnight was kept over Woodhead for his upside. There is no difference, it is exactly the same. Only, I don't think Belichick was arrogant or dumb for doing so, it was probably the right decision, as it was for Tannenbaum to do the same for keeping McKnight.

 

[Ring 6]

The convenient case to spin stats and skew an argument.

Stats don't tell the whole story, do you think Woodhead puts up those numbers in an offense not run by Brady?

So now you are calling the sum totals of all the times they touched the ball skewing?

No RB in the league produced at the level per touch that Woodhead did.
Now your excuse is anyone can be the most productive guy because of Brady?
Perhaps Sanchez wouldnt have been a bottom 5 QB if he had Woodhead getting those 7 yards per touch.

 

[Joker]

Well there haven't been any regular season games yet, so... yeah.

heh heh...now THAT is funny

 

[JetFan1]

You are kidding me right? About Bodden??

He had 5 picks here in the 2009 season, 2 fumble returns, and 17 passes defended---and had just signed a pretty big contract in free agency.

Do you even know football at all? I am beginning to wonder..

Fair enough, I honestly didn't recall the player, other than that he is a player that was released by the Lions who were a horrible team at the time. He may be a solid player, but hardly a household name, I mean hell, the Pats have had so much turnover in recent years, it's hard to remember who was on the team last week, much less two years ago.

 

[JetFan1]

heh heh...now THAT is funny

Not nearly as funny as you flailing on multiple boards...

 

[Deus Irae]

Not nearly as funny as you flailing on multiple boards...

Surely you see the irony of your post.

 

[supafly]

Wright? Who?

Wright is the inside ROTATIONAL DT who had 10.5 sacks in the last year and a half--since he missed the second half of last yr.

You are too much...

Good night. It has been fun.

Come back over when you have actually watched a game or two.

(not meaning to be disrespectful, but what else can I say?)

 

[Ring 6]

Which is 20-25 catches more than Price has done in his NFL career.



That's all well and good depending on what spin you're listening to or reading, but if it wasn't a bad fit the previous two years, it isn't all of a sudden a bad fit, but that isn't the point here...



You're wrong IMO, it is extremely ON base, Price was kept for his upside, just as McKnight was kept over Woodhead for his upside. There is no difference, it is exactly the same. Only, I don't think Belichick was arrogant or dumb for doing so, it was probably the right decision, as it was for Tannenbaum to do the same for keeping McKnight.

The difference?
Price better football player than Tate. Patriots keep Price.
Woodhead better football player than McKnight. Jets keep McKnight.

BTW, you keep spewing this upside crap.
Do you honestly think that McKnight will ever come close to having as good a season in his career as Woodhead already had in his first season?
Woodheads 'upside' is to improve on that. McKnights 'upside' is to dream about ever coming close to it.


However, we have already established that Woodhead wasnt cut because of McKnight, he was cut because of Clowney, so please stop using a lie of an argument that Woodhead was cut because McKnight had more upside.

 

[JetFan1]

So now you are calling the sum totals of all the times they touched the ball skewing?

No RB in the league produced at the level per touch that Woodhead did.
Now your excuse is anyone can be the most productive guy because of Brady?
Perhaps Sanchez wouldnt have been a bottom 5 QB if he had Woodhead getting those 7 yards per touch.

When the Jets released Woodhead, he hadn't done a thing in the NFL. You displaying his stats as some kind of support in your argument that the Jets were arrogant and stupid to release him is just dumb considering it was completely in hindsight.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Which is 20-25 catches more than Price has done in his NFL career.

That's all well and good depending on what spin you're listening to or reading, but if it wasn't a bad fit the previous two years, it isn't all of a sudden a bad fit, but that isn't the point here...

He was a bad fit last year, and a lot of us recognized it even then. Tate is a bad WR. He never had much in the way of WR skills, but was supposed to be a burner with good hands. Unfortunately, he wasn't especially fast, couldn't get separation, and wasn't a good route runner. You might be able to blame the ACL that he tore as a rookie for the speed thing.

You're wrong IMO, it is extremely ON base, Price was kept for his upside, just as McKnight was kept over Woodhead for his upside. There is no difference, it is exactly the same. Only, I don't think Belichick was arrogant or dumb for doing so, it was probably the right decision, as it was for Tannenbaum to do the same for keeping McKnight.

That's just not true, though. Every report out of Foxboro stated that Price was clearly better than Tate, right ow. Which is probably mostly an indictment of Tate, who simply isn't any good. Tate was a (slightly) better option last year, because Price needed time to learn how to play in an NFL after being stuck in the high school-caliber offense over at Ohio for his entire college career. By the time this preseason rolled around, it was clear to everyone who even glanced at a Patriots practice that Price was the superior player, and it wasn't all that close.

 

[Ring 6]

Fair enough, I honestly didn't recall the player, other than that he is a player that was released by the Lions who were a horrible team at the time. He may be a solid player, but hardly a household name, I mean hell, the Pats have had so much turnover in recent years, it's hard to remember who was on the team last week, much less two years ago.

You are too much.
Perhaps you will remember Bodden from this stat like when he picked Sanchez off 3 times

Sun 11/22

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• NYJ

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Ringing any bells?

 

[JetFan1]

The difference?
Price better football player than Tate. Patriots keep Price.

Better football player based on what?

Woodhead better football player than McKnight. Jets keep McKnight.

A better football player in what regard?

BTW, you keep spewing this upside crap.
Do you honestly think that McKnight will ever come close to having as good a season in his career as Woodhead already had in his first season?
Woodheads 'upside' is to improve on that. McKnights 'upside' is to dream about ever coming close to it.

I never once said anything about what McKnight will become, this is strictly a debate about why the Jets retained McKnight over Woodhead, once again, at the time Woodhead was released, Woodhead hadn't done **** at the NFL level, he didn't have any stats.

However, we have already established that Woodhead wasnt cut because of McKnight, he was cut because of Clowney, so please stop using a lie of an argument that Woodhead was cut because McKnight had more upside.

That's true, but let's not be silly and ignore the fact that the Jets cut Woodhead over McKnight because of Clowney.

 

[supafly]

You're wrong IMO, it is extremely ON base, Price was kept for his upside, just as McKnight was kept over Woodhead for his upside. There is no difference, it is exactly the same. Only, I don't think Belichick was arrogant or dumb for doing so, it was probably the right decision, as it was for Tannenbaum to do the same for keeping McKnight.

No, it's not 'on-base.'

Tate proved that he couldn't make it here, it isn't about Price..It was about Tate not proving himself in 2 yrs since being drafted.

Woodhead did not do anything to screw up like Tate did, but they MADE it about McKnight, and his perceived 'potential.'

They are 2 totally different situations..completely.

 

[JetFan1]

You are too much.
Perhaps you will remember Bodden from this stat like when he picked Sanchez off 3 times

Sun 11/22

• vs
• NYJ

W 31-143300.00000360205313

Ringing any bells?

Sure, Sanchez was a rookie, and had several poor games his rookie year, most rookie QB's do.

Bodden has been a journeyman CB, are you seriously trying to make him out to be bigger than he is because he has a couple of INT's on a rookie QB?

 

[BradyFTW!]

You are too much.
Perhaps you will remember Bodden from this stat like when he picked Sanchez off 3 times

Sun 11/22

• vs
• NYJ

W 31-143300.00000360205313

Ringing any bells?

As I mentioned earlier, I'm 90% sure that I (and a lot other posters here) know more about the Jets than he does. The first red flag was when, listing major injuries to the Jets, he failed to mention Leonhard (probably the most significant injury that they dealt with, considering that he was the field general in the secondary. No coincidence that 45-3 happened the week after they lost him, although it wouldn't surprise me if Jetfan doesn't remember that either. Not remembering that Bodden even played for the Patriots in '09 was the other, given the performance that you just cited.

 

[JetFan1]

No, it's not 'on-base.'

Tate proved that he couldn't make it here, it isn't about Price..It was about Tate not proving himself in 2 yrs since being drafted.

Woodhead did not do anything to screw up like Tate did, but they MADE it about McKnight.

They are 2 totally different situations..completely.

Ok, so Tate has proven he wasn't worthy to keep, no problem.

But what the hell has Price done to convince you he is better than Tate, because he doesn't have an NFL game statistic.

Tate was in the pro bowl, was he not? Was he not a valuable KR?

Woodhead hadn't done anything wrong, he also at the time didn't do anything to make his case for the Jets to keep him over McKnight, that's all I'm saying. Not sure what is so hard about this comparison, they are exactly the same.

 

[Ring 6]

When the Jets released Woodhead, he hadn't done a thing in the NFL. You displaying his stats as some kind of support in your argument that the Jets were arrogant and stupid to release him is just dumb considering it was completely in hindsight.

What?
First, again, they cut him to keep Clowney.

Second, are you ****ting me? You think his talent was created by the stats?
The guy who made those plays was the guy they cut.
They either are horrible talent evaluators or were saving face with their draft pick. You can choose which.

Can we go back now to you explaining how the Jets being willing to cut 7 of their own players to claim guys cut off of other rosters (sorry 8) isnt proof they have poor depth?
You have lost the Woodhead argument in a landslide, but you actually have even a worse argument on this one.