Jets tried to get Tate

[supafly]

First of all, that was me talking about the potential of the RB's--and FWIW, both have played. However, you took my post completely out of context, as it was in response to you "not liking the Pats recent draft." I was simply speaking of the recent draft, and the fact that you claimed "that the Pats liked Woodhead so much they went out and got 2 rookies in the draft." I explained that the entire reason why they got 2 RB's was due to the age and injury prone-ness of guys like Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, and Faulk--who missed the entire yr and is currently scheduled to miss approx. almost 1/2 of this yr. They needed youth at the RB position, and added speed and overall depth. But it was certainly NOT b/c they did not value Woodhead as you were implying.

Besides that, I quickly said that you had a viable point in regards to not being able to bring up 2 rookie RB's who have not done anything in real-game action, so in essence I agree with you. However, Spacecrime has a very good point in stating that you must follow the same logic. If you can be excited by a guy who really hasn't even shown anything in the pre-season and was not exactly rated very highly in regards to the position, then I can certainly get excited about a guy who averaged 6 yds a carry, can pickup the blitz, gain the short-yd, and also catch the ball out of the backfield. Not to mention that Vereen was rated as one of the top 4-5 RB's coming into the draft. But again, that whole conversation is taken out of context. In the big picture, it was probably wrong of me to bring the potential of the RB's up, and I wouldn't if it hadn't been in response to your drafting question.

 

[The Scrizz]

No, I didn't miss anything, the Jets had injuries too. You might remember, we were doomed when Revis went down with a hamstring injury, when Jenkins went down for the season, when we started the year without Holmes, not having Pace the first 5 weeks of the season. All teams have injuries.

How many games did Revis miss? Holmes wasn't injured. Do you really want to go through and count player games lost to injuries? Because the Pats are probably triple what the Jets had.

 

[JetFan1]

It was arrogant and stupid to ignore that Woodhead was clearly the better player in order to not admit you made a bad pick.
You cant really be keeping a straight face over there saying you think McKnight is a better player than Woodhead. Whats next, Slaussen better than Mankins? Sanchez better than Brady?

You don't give up on a player after 1 year, it wasn't arrogant and stupid, it was the right decision.

Everything in this paragraph is wrong.

No it isn't.

Tate was cut because he wasnt as good as the players who beat him out. TODAY

Really? What has Price proven? Slater? Neither has the credentials of Tate, but both probably have better upside, pretty much the same exact reason why the Jets kept McKnight over Woodhead. Stop making Woodhead out to be something he isn't, again, there is a reason why they have BGJE and spent two draft picks on the RB position.

And you are living in denial if you think the coach who must get in front of a camera every chance he gets and rail on about how great he thinks he is, and guaranteeing championships isnt living based on opinions of him.

No, that is just the Pats fan spin of Rex, it isn't about the camera, it's about his mantra and how he runs his program, and how he gets the most out of his players, everything he does is genuine, it's not an act.

He did his job by releasing Meriwhether. We may never know the details.

As did the Jets Woodhead, not re-signing Edwards, releasing Cotchery, these were all decisions that were not inclusively popular with jet fans, but he did it. To suggest Tannenbaum makes decisions based on what the fanbase thinks is just stupid, period.

There are 2 things in common with players that make up the Jets depth. You think they have 'upsde' which is code for "They havent shown me they can play in the NFL but they must be here for some reason" and you have excuses for all of them.
Please telll us how many times you posted about Gholston's upside.

Then the only thing I can think is you have no clue about the Jets roster, or its depth.

The irony of the Gholston barb is I thought he was a boom or bust the day he was drafted. I knew about his physical ability, but I also knew he was a player that wasn't passionate about playing football, and that was his problem, but why pretend to sit here and suggest you had any inkling of what I thought of Gholston, how the hell would you know?

 

[supafly]

the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead at the time.

Okay, the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead...

I can't even honestly believe that even you really buy into this theory.

 

[Ring 6]

Woodhead 131 touches 926 yards 7.0 oer touch 6 TDs
Tomlinson 271 touches 1284 yards 4.7 per touch 6 Tds
Green 201 touches 886 yards 4.4 per touch 2 TDs

Like I said there isnt even an argument

 

[JetFan1]

How many games did Revis miss? Holmes wasn't injured. Do you really want to go through and count player games lost to injuries? Because the Pats are probably triple what the Jets had.

Revis missed 3 games, and really wasn't right until mid-season.

Holmes missed 4 games regardless, and was still learning the offense, wasn't really a factor in the games until the second half of the season.

I know, all fans think their teams all had it the toughest. Did the Pats lose Brady? No, they didn't. The only significant absence the Pats had last year was Mankins, until he signed...

 

[BradyFTW!]

How many games did Revis miss? Holmes wasn't injured. Do you really want to go through and count player games lost to injuries? Because the Pats are probably triple what the Jets had.

Leonhard (5 games), Jenkins (15 games), Revis (3 games), Woody (3 games), and Pace (5 games) missed significant time to injury that I can think of. Anyone else? All of those guys combined missed one fewer game than Bodden and Warren, who we lost before the season even started.

 

[JetFan1]

Woodhead 131 touches 926 yards 7.0 oer touch 6 TDs
Tomlinson 271 touches 1284 yards 4.7 per touch 6 Tds
Green 201 touches 886 yards 4.4 per touch 2 TDs

Like I said there isnt even an argument

The convenient case to spin stats and skew an argument.

Stats don't tell the whole story, do you think Woodhead puts up those numbers in an offense not run by Brady?

 

[TheSolderKing]

Okay, the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead...

I can't even honestly believe that even you really buy into this theory.

HE IS AN IDIOT. JF1. You do know Rex wanted Woody over that Crap-piece McKnight right? It was your BRILLIANT GM TanenBUMB that made the decision. Plz know what the phuck you are talking about rookie.

 

[JetFan1]

Okay, the Jets weren't wrong for keeping McKnight over Woodhead...

I can't even honestly believe that even you really buy into this theory.

I think I covered this pretty explicitly.

No, they weren't wrong, just as the Pats are probably not wrong for keeping Price over a player like Tate. Can you honestly tell me what the difference is at this point?

 

[JetFan1]

HE IS AN IDIOT. JF1. You do know Rex wanted Woody over that Crap-piece McKnight right? It was your BRILLIANT GM TanenBUMB that made the decision know what the phuck you are talking about rookie.

So do you work for the Jets? Are you working in the front office over at Floram Park? Interesting...

 

[supafly]

there is a reason why they have BGJE and spent two draft picks on the RB position.

Yes, for the 10th time, you need more than one or two RB's at the position!!

OMG man..

They selected Vereen and Ridley b/c Fred Taylor was old and injured, Faulk was old and coming off an ACL tear where he missed all of last yr, and 1/2 of this yr, and Sammy Morris--who was also old and often injured.

No one in the NFL would have been okay with just BJGE, even though he did every single thing asked of him, was a 1,000 yd runner, scored a ton of TD's, and never fumbled.

It is called DEPTH. There is a need for multiple players at the same position. Run along and pass the word to your team and fanbase.

 

[TheSolderKing]

I think I covered this pretty explicitly.

No, they weren't wrong, just as the Pats are probably not wrong for keeping Price over a player like Tate. Can you honestly tell me what the difference is at this point?

I can it is Woody>McKnight and your GM is a BUMB vand Rex Ryan is a Clown

 

[Joker]

The irony of the Gholston barb is I thought he was a boom or bust the day he was drafted. I knew about his physical ability, but I also knew he was a player that wasn't passionate about playing football, and that was his problem,

but why pretend to sit here and suggest you had any inkling of what I thought of Gholston, how the hell would you know?

Heh..pure Disneyworld ...OK...let's hear from Vernon himself, shall we?...

"I heard how he (Ryan) was perceiving me before the [2008] draft, before he knew me, and I was the same way -- I wasn't hoping for him to be [my] first coach of the Jets when I was there, either."

He went on:

"Being a first-round pick, you would have hoped for more [of a chance]."

And on:

"Whenever you have a new coach, you hope everything's fair," Gholston said. "But obviously, he was in Baltimore for a number of years and has a passion for those guys."


And :

"Teams are always looking for talent, and to say I don't have talent is a far stretch," Gholston said. "It's all about getting a fair shot and time in the system. With the Jets, it was constant position change and coaching change. There was no stability. I never really had that with the Jets."



something is not making sense...who to believe...who to believe...the psychic "Jetfan1" or the player himself...tough one

 

[JetFan1]

you r sooo screwed this yr:singing::singing:


McKnight is still garbage dude.

I can't wait for the Sanchize to air it out this yr 2nd worst completion %age in NFL what???


you are drinking the Kool-aid I am seriously chuckling even now when i read all your crap.

I see somebody snuck out of bed and got on the computer while his parents were sleeping...

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, for the 10th time, you need more than one or two RB's at the position!!

OMG man..

They selected Vereen and Ridley b/c Fred Taylor was old and injured, Faulk was old and coming off an ACL tear where he missed all of last yr, and 1/2 of this yr, and Sammy Morris--who was also old and often injured.

No one in the NFL would have been okay with just BJGE, even though he did every single thing asked of him, was a 1,000 yd runner, scored a ton of TD's, and never fumbled.

It is called DEPTH. There is a need for multiple players at the same position. Run along and pass the word to your team and fanbase.

He's just trolling, Supa. He knows he's getting his ass kicked on just about every point. He just doesn't care.

 

[TheSolderKing]

So do you work for the Jets? Are you working in the front office over at Floram Park? Interesting...

That was reported a LONG time ago chump

 

[JetFan1]

I can it is Woody>McKnight and your GM is a BUMB vand Rex Ryan is a Clown

A "bum" and a clown that owns the Pats the last two years.

 

[JetFan1]

That was reported a LONG time ago chump

Oooh, chump? Now we're flexing the cyber muscles?

By WHO? Some schmuck that writes for the Boston Herald?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Revis missed 3 games, and really wasn't right until mid-season.

Holmes missed 4 games regardless, and was still learning the offense, wasn't really a factor in the games until the second half of the season.

I know, all fans think their teams all had it the toughest. Did the Pats lose Brady? No, they didn't. The only significant absence the Pats had last year was Mankins, until he signed...

Ty Warren and Leigh Bodden say hello. If guys not being up to form, ala Holmes, count, then Welker and Moss too. We also lost Stephen Neal (starting RG) for an extended period of time, as well as most of our d-line. Having a starting LB get suspended for PEDs didn't help either, which I wouldn't normally count, but if Holmes counts then he certainly does.

And once again, if Holmes hadn't been suspended, you wouldn't have been able to trade for him in the first place, so trying to use his games missed as something that team had to suffer through is just asinine. The Jets are still thanking their lucky stars that he got suspended.