Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora (merged many times)

[patsfan13]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Well we already have 2 1st and 2 2nd next year, figure we use 3 of those and trade 1 for a 1 or 2 the following year, trading a 2nd would take away that flexibility.

A better solution might be Brock, won't blow up the cap, he is durable BB knows his skill set very well and we keep a 2nd. While Osi is better not that much better.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

With the amount of money that he'll want, I'd give the Pats' next two thirds. He's not worth top trade value in addition to top dollar.

I dont care about the pick, a 2nd is expendable.
I'm more concerned about getting a one dimensional player who is horrendous vs the run and having to devote a bundle of cap space to him.
I would love Osi on this team, this year as a sub package rusher, playing 50-60% of the plays, and 80% of the pass plays, but I would not want that at the expense of the cap hits that it would appear his contract demands would create. Not even close.

 

[Gwedd]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Well we already have 2 1st and 2 2nd next year, figure we use 3 of those and trade 1 for a 1 or 2 the following year, trading a 2nd would take away that flexibility.

A better solution might be Brock, won't blow up the cap, he is durable BB knows his skill set very well and we keep a 2nd. While Osi is better not that much better.

This. I like Brock a lot and he seems like the type of player Coach prefers: a football player first and foremost.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Well we already have 2 1st and 2 2nd next year, figure we use 3 of those and trade 1 for a 1 or 2 the following year, trading a 2nd would take away that flexibility.

A better solution might be Brock, won't blow up the cap, he is durable BB knows his skill set very well and we keep a 2nd. While Osi is better not that much better.

At least Brock could compete against the run.
Heres the thing. In our defensive scheme a guy like Brock will produce more because of the scheme while a guy like Osi will absolutely produce less.
The love of chasing stats among fans is puzzling to me. When a one dimensional player gets 11 sacks in a scheme that asks him to do nothing but rush the passer, how many do you really expect him to get in a scheme that asks him to be a complete player, and contribute to a team pass rushing concept?

 

[strngplyr]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

I dont care about the pick, a 2nd is expendable.
I'm more concerned about getting a one dimensional player who is horrendous vs the run and having to devote a bundle of cap space to him.
I would love Osi on this team, this year as a sub package rusher, playing 50-60% of the plays, and 80% of the pass plays, but I would not want that at the expense of the cap hits that it would appear his contract demands would create. Not even close.

I hear a lot of talk about him against the run, I don't watch a lot of Giants games either. Is he truly awful against the run, or is Kiwanuka just better than him and gets the nod?

I'm fine with one trick ponies as long as they do that one trick incredibly well.

Randy Moss only knew how to go deep, and everyone knew that about him, but he still beat them all in his prime. If we bring in Osi I don't expect him to play every snap, he doesn't play every snap the way it is in New York, we'd sub in someone against the run just like the Giants use Kiwanuka.

The only issue I see would be monetary, and that is probably the only thing holding back a trade. If we can clear the cap space and get a reasonable offer I could fully see this happening very soon.

 

[The Scrizz]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

I dont care about the pick, a 2nd is expendable.
I'm more concerned about getting a one dimensional player who is horrendous vs the run and having to devote a bundle of cap space to him.
I would love Osi on this team, this year as a sub package rusher, playing 50-60% of the plays, and 80% of the pass plays, but I would not want that at the expense of the cap hits that it would appear his contract demands would create. Not even close.

Ah, stop being a stick in the mud Andy! The masses want Osi! Bring out Osi! He'll have Haynesworth and Vince next to him with mayo and spikes backing him up against the run. It's not just the sacks and pressures, he is a turn-over creating machine. We need that 1 dimension to make Sanchez think he is seeing into the 4th dimension after he gets crushed.

Hell Tom Brady is one dimensional! He can't run, he doesn't block. Throw, throw, throw, that's all he does. Almost half the offensive plays are runs and he contributes next to nothing to those!

Not all skill sets are created equal on the football field. Destroying QB's and taking the ball from them while they writhe in pain on the ground is an important one.

Osi! Osi! Osi! Osi! :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Well we already have 2 1st and 2 2nd next year, figure we use 3 of those and trade 1 for a 1 or 2 the following year, trading a 2nd would take away that flexibility.

A better solution might be Brock, won't blow up the cap, he is durable BB knows his skill set very well and we keep a 2nd. While Osi is better not that much better.

Although I like Brock as an option too...he's not even close to Osi.

GP TKL SK FF STF



Osi 104 308 60 28 22


Brock 136 320 37.5 12 27

 

[strngplyr]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Ah, stop being a stick in the mud Andy! The masses want Osi! Bring out Osi! He'll have Haynesworth and Vince next to him with mayo and spikes backing him up against the run. It's not just the sacks and pressures, he is a turn-over creating machine. We need that 1 dimension to make Sanchez think he is seeing into the 4th dimension after he gets crushed.

Hell Tom Brady is one dimensional! He can't run, he doesn't block. Throw, throw, throw, that's all he does. Almost half the offensive plays are runs and he contributes next to nothing to those!

Not all skill sets are created equal on the football field. Destroying QB's and taking the ball from them while they writhe in pain on the ground is an important one.

Osi! Osi! Osi! Osi! :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

Agree on Tom Brady, maybe we can ship him for Osi and conditional 5th with him. 5th may bump up to a 4th if he performs well.

 

[Froob]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

I don't think I'll be able to handle it if they trade for Osi and sign Raheem Brock. That'd be freakin intense.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

I hear a lot of talk about him against the run, I don't watch a lot of Giants games either. Is he truly awful against the run, or is Kiwanuka just better than him and gets the nod?

I'm fine with one trick ponies as long as they do that one trick incredibly well.

Randy Moss only knew how to go deep, and everyone knew that about him, but he still beat them all in his prime. If we bring in Osi I don't expect him to play every snap, he doesn't play every snap the way it is in New York, we'd sub in someone against the run just like the Giants use Kiwanuka.

The only issue I see would be monetary, and that is probably the only thing holding back a trade. If we can clear the cap space and get a reasonable offer I could fully see this happening very soon.

He is that bad.
Randy Moss needed to be covered on every play and he was far from a one trick pony, he caught a lot of passes, not all were deep throws. Just because he was the best ever at that doesnt mean he couldnt do anything else.
Besides that is very different than being a liability against the run and having teams gash you there.
As I said, I'd take him and he could have a role here. He would probably get half a dozen sacks or so. But that is not a guy you trade for then have him demand to be the highest paid DL in the league, or anywhere in the hemisphere of that.
Osi would be a nice piece to add, but he wants to be paid as if he were the key to the defense.

How much do you think is reasonable to pay him? You do know he is going to want 8-10 mill a year right?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

How bad is he against the run? Liability?

 

[Sciz]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Although I like Brock as an option too...he's not even close to Osi.

GP TKL SK FF STF



Osi 104 308 60 28 22


Brock 136 320 37.5 12 27

This was also Brock's first season as a pass rusher rather than a run-stuffer. He's been Freeney and Mathis' run-down sub for the last 8 years before breaking out as a pass rusher. The FF difference last season was much bigger than the sack difference.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

Ah, stop being a stick in the mud Andy! The masses want Osi! Bring out Osi! He'll have Haynesworth and Vince next to him with mayo and spikes backing him up against the run. It's not just the sacks and pressures, he is a turn-over creating machine. We need that 1 dimension to make Sanchez think he is seeing into the 4th dimension after he gets crushed.

Hell Tom Brady is one dimensional! He can't run, he doesn't block. Throw, throw, throw, that's all he does. Almost half the offensive plays are runs and he contributes next to nothing to those!

Not all skill sets are created equal on the football field. Destroying QB's and taking the ball from them while they writhe in pain on the ground is an important one.

Osi! Osi! Osi! Osi! :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

And pay him $10mill a year?

 

[supafly]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

I'm not sure that anyone should get too excited here just yet. The whole rumor is simply speculation in regards to a BAL reporter's twitter account.

The team may have absolutely zero interest in Osi right now.

Now Brock seems a little more than just a rumor, and the same goes for Matt Roth.

Hopefully, the team grabs one of them

 

[Sciz]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

There's definitely something more than speculation
Twitter / Jason La Canfora: As I first reported on Mon ...

 

[Froob]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

And pay him $10mill a year?

He's a game changer, Mathews is one dimensional. Packers don't win the super bowl with Rob Ninkovitch(the more all-around player) instead of Mathews the pure pass rusher. Give up the pats 2nd round pick for him and give him a 3 year deal. Raheem Brock does look like a good option too if he's not too expensive.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

How bad is he against the run? Liability?

That's the problems IMO. He's not that good against the run. Great for pass rush..but not run. But hey we got fat albet and vince

 

[PushnPencils]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

This was also Brock's first season as a pass rusher rather than a run-stuffer. He's been Freeney and Mathis' run-down sub for the last 8 years before breaking out as a pass rusher. The FF difference last season was much bigger than the sack difference.

But a difference of 32 games played. Also a 3.5 year age difference. He had one sack his rookie season. He increased to 11.5 sacks in 2010 from 7 sacks in 2009. He maybe injury prone but hasn't missed too many games.

 

[Froob]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

That's the problems IMO. He's not that good against the run. Great for pass rush..but not run. But hey we got fat albet and vince

Those two combined is like 3 players out there .

 

[patsfan13]

Re: Report: Pats interested in Umenyiora, price now down to 2nd rounder

At least Brock could compete against the run.
Heres the thing. In our defensive scheme a guy like Brock will produce more because of the scheme while a guy like Osi will absolutely produce less.
The love of chasing stats among fans is puzzling to me. When a one dimensional player gets 11 sacks in a scheme that asks him to do nothing but rush the passer, how many do you really expect him to get in a scheme that asks him to be a complete player, and contribute to a team pass rushing concept?

Also we won't abandon the 3-4, AH can pay the 5tech 2gap, so the dedicated DE for rush will be a sub package guy, can't see Oi being worth that $$$ unless he was a 3 down DE.