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I think Chad OchoCinco will ultimately be added. He gives the Pats a deep threat. He will come cheap. He loves Belichick and Belichick loves him. I don't think the Pats will add a high priced WR free agent like Rice or Floyd. I think he will go for value.

I still go back to the fact that Mike Brown isn't one to just let his players walk. Johnson has acted out before and he hasn't traded him. Albeit the relationship between the player and coach may be beyond repair at this point, but I keep thinking of how they won't let Palmer go. How many teams would do that to a player? He isn't even that good. There's plenty of reason for them to let him go (via trade or not), but that doesn't seem to matter in the wacky world of Cincy.
 
Go get Santonio Holmes from the Jests! That will leave them with Edwards and ????

Santonio will cost too much money and he has way worse character issues than either Moss or Ocho. The Steelers shipped him out of town for practically nothing for a reason. If the Jets weren't over the cap I'm sure they'd prioritize signing Holmes, who has killed us at times, but they might have to let him go for monetary reasons.

My guess is that the Pats will start with two QBs, and move to three later in the season =, especially if/when Brady starts to get dinged up a bit and Mallett is ready for showtime.

But how do you propose doing that? There's no way Mallet makes it through waivers, not with his upside. The Pats aren't going to risk letting a talented young QB like that get poached on the waiver wire.
 
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Santonio will cost too much money and he has way worse character issues than either Moss or Ocho. The Steelers shipped him out of town for practically nothing for a reason. If the Jets weren't over the cap I'm sure they'd prioritize signing Holmes, who has killed us at times, but they might have to let him go for monetary reasons.



But how do you propose doing that? There's no way Mallet makes it through waivers, not with his upside. The Pats aren't going to risk letting a talented young QB like that get poached on the waiver wire.

I'm not sure how much I'd trust the Steelers' assessments of player character. By all accounts, there was a rift between Roethlisberger and Holmes, but considering that lots of players on that team (including Ward) demonstrate lukewarm, at best, support for their QB, that might be more on Roethlisberger than Holmes. Don't know enough about the situation either way, but I wouldn't hold the Steelers' shipping Holmes out of town against him.

What I would use against him is that he's one positive test away from a yearlong suspension and that he's going to get significantly overpaid by someone in FA.
 
Holley figures the Patriots will probably look for a pass rusher and a WR.
 
I would like Santana Moss for 2 years.He still can play and would be the deep threat.
 
But how do you propose doing that? There's no way Mallet makes it through waivers, not with his upside. The Pats aren't going to risk letting a talented young QB like that get poached on the waiver wire.

To clarify what I meant:

I believe that the Pats will start with Brady/Hoyer active and Mallett inactive; Mallett will be active later in the season.
 
I'm not sure how much I'd trust the Steelers' assessments of player character. By all accounts, there was a rift between Roethlisberger and Holmes, but considering that lots of players on that team (including Ward) demonstrate lukewarm, at best, support for their QB, that might be more on Roethlisberger than Holmes. Don't know enough about the situation either way, but I wouldn't hold the Steelers' shipping Holmes out of town against him.

What I would use against him is that he's one positive test away from a yearlong suspension and that he's going to get significantly overpaid by someone in FA.

Holmes beat up his gf (who has 2 of his 3 kids) after he was drafted by the Steelers in 2006. Few years later, he got arrested for pot and then got arrested for domestic battery.
 
That is the point you missed. Just because they "do the same job" doesn't mean that they command the same respect or even do it close to the same level. Fact is, going to Edelman over Welker is a downgrade as this point. And a significant one. THAT was Andy's point. One you clearly missed.

For the final time. I never said Welker and Edelman were the same player. Yet.

Also, it remains to be seen just how much of a downgrade Edelman would be if the Pats use more on the run game in their offense.


Another perfect example of you being incapable of actually reading since I didn't call YOU the moron.

You tried to throw a little jab and it blew up in your face. Funny really.

As for the your vs you're, when you have to worry about my spelling and not your own (see below), then you clearly have lost the argument.

No, I havent lost the argument.

My points are valid and sound. The Jets gane exposed the Pats becuase they had no deep threat. The Jets never had to worry about Brady throwing the home run and Brady had no where to throw underneath except in tight windows.

I dont expect for BB to stand pat and keep things the same. You do.

Edelman was a target 14 times. Compared to 54. That lends itself to my argument, not yours. How many of those 14 targets resulted in an actual drop?

Wrong.

The Pats WR coach thinks youre full of *****.

Pats WR Edelman Sophomore Slump Tied to Drops | Football News Now

“Julian has had some drops during his last couple times out,” wide receivers coach Chad O’Shea said via the Boston Herald. ”I know he’s going to work real hard to try to correct that, specifically, catch the ball, which I know he will work hard to do so.”

Edelman, affectionately known as “Welker’s Mini-Me”, captivated Pats fans with his quick cuts and electrifying special teams play in 2009. He immediately won over fans when he tallied 138 all-purpose yards, and a team-high 98 receiving, while stepping in for Welker in a Week 2 win over the New York Jets.

Edelman was once again called on to fill Welker’s role when the 29-year-old tore his ACL and MCL in Week 17 vs. Houston. Edelman caught 10 of the 15 passes thrown to him for 103 yards, the first 100-yard game of his NFL career.

Like I said, Edelman had a bad year 2. He dropped the ball more after this article and no amount of spin from somebody on a message board is going to change that.

Since you have trouble reading, I said that Price will EARN his way. On top of that, putting Price in and putting Branch on the bench with Welker still on the field for the Pats hardly doing what you are suggesting.

(btw, the word you were looking for is want, not wont)

Belichick wont be that foolish to put that much pressure on a 2nd year developing player. It would be different if Price was like Branch who had a very strong rookie season.

Price can learn behind a proven FA WR whoever the Pats sign up.

*sigh* Clearly the dawn hasn't broken over your marble head.

Edelman < Welker the same way that Hoyer < Brady. You're saying to remove Welker AND add someone who doesn't know the offense and would have to learn in a month vs. letting Price show what he has.

We are talking about running routes and catching a football. If a current WR lands on IR, youre bringing in a guy off the street to replace him anyway. Its no different. These guys have seen just about every route imaginable and been playing football since pee wee league. Its learning the terminology.

The sky is not falling if you bring a deep threat WR this month.
I know how BB operates, thank you. I don't need someone like yourself telling me to go learn when you are clearly the one who has issues with reading and understanding what others are saying.

As for your little attempts at trying to show that BB will "shake things up", BJGE and Brady both EARNED their way into the line-up. That is what YOU seem to miss. Seymour was removed because BB clearly felt that keeping him wasn't worth the hassle. It had nothing to do with another player.

(btw, his handle is Supafly, not SUPERFLY.)

We will know relatively soon if you know or not.
 
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For the final time. I never said Welker and Edelman were the same player. Yet.

Also, it remains to be seen just how much of a downgrade Edelman would be if the Pats use more on the run game in their offense.

For the final time. No one said you did. You just can't seem to comprehend that. What was said was that there was a significant difference in talent between Welker and Edelman and that you saying that the Pats downgrading at the slot receiver to potentially add a guy at the X or Z receiver spot who may or may not help the team doesn't make sense.

You tried to throw a little jab and it blew up in your face. Funny really.

No, it wasn't a little jab. But that's just goes to show the poor reading comprehension level you have.


No, I havent lost the argument.

Yes. Yes you did. Just by virtue that you had to resort to pointing out mis-spellings only to do it twice yourself.

My points are valid and sound. The Jets gane exposed the Pats becuase they had no deep threat. The Jets never had to worry about Brady throwing the home run and Brady had no where to throw underneath except in tight windows.

I dont expect for BB to stand pat and keep things the same. You do.

That's just it. You're points are half-assed at best. And the reason the Jets didn't have to worry about the "home run" is because Hernandez was out and Gronk had a poor game. But, don't let the facts get in the way of you defending your position.

YOU expect BB to change for the sake of Change. I expect BB to make rational decisions based on the empirical evidence that the team gathers.

As for why they lost the Jets game, the fact you believe that it was lost only because of a lack of a deep threat and not the lack of execution of plays by the Patriots shows how simplistic your views actually are.



http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2010/pats-wr-edelman-sophomore-slump-tied-to-drops

Wrong.

The Pats WR coach thinks youre full of *****.

Pats WR Edelman Sophomore Slump Tied to Drops | Football News Now

“Julian has had some drops during his last couple times out,” wide receivers coach Chad O’Shea said via the Boston Herald. ”I know he’s going to work real hard to try to correct that, specifically, catch the ball, which I know he will work hard to do so.”

So, you post a quote from a no name website and think you are are somehow vindicated?

Let's look at a few things:

1) That article was posted on December 22. By that time the Pats had played 14 games.

2) Edelman was only targeted 14 times ALL SEASON. He had, what, 3 drops all season. And you, somehow, conclude that the reason he had so few reps was because of 2 drops that happened in weeks 12 and 13? What about weeks 2 through 11 where he didn't see the field much except on punt returns?

3) From week 2 through week 7, Edelman was in on less than 16% of the plays. And that included punt returns... But, yes, it was because of the drops in week 12 and 13 and not because the Pats used the fewest number of multi-WR sets since BB took over as coach.

4) BTW, you really should go back and read that article again because you purposely left out a section.

Edelman would have always sat behind top-two receivers Wes Welker and Deion Branch, but fellow second-year player Brandon Tate’s deep play capabilities and rookie tight end duo Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski’s progress has buried him deep on the team’s roster.

Having 5 other guys in front of him didn't contribute to Edelman's lack of playing time. Not to mention Woodhead who sucked up some of the passes out of the backfield that Edelman saw the year before.

Belichick wont be that foolish to put that much pressure on a 2nd year developing player. It would be different if Price was like Branch who had a very strong rookie season.

Price can learn behind a proven FA WR whoever the Pats sign up.

What pressure is there if he earns the spot?

We are talking about running routes and catching a football. If a current WR lands on IR, youre bringing in a guy off the street to replace him anyway. Its no different. These guys have seen just about every route imaginable and been playing football since pee wee league. Its learning the terminology.

The sky is not falling if you bring a deep threat WR this month.

WOW. First off, the Pats run a route tree. That means that each individual receiver has between 3 and 6 different routes he can run based on his read of the defense. And it's expected that he and the QB read the defense the same so that are in sync.

And no, if a WR on the team goes onto IR, they are not bringing in a guy off the street. They'll bring in a guy off the practice squad like Darnell Jenkins or Buddy Farnham.

Based on your idea that "these guys have seen everything", Doug Gabriel was a HOFer for the Pats.. So was Joey Galloway.. :rolleyes:

If it was as easy as you claimed, then there wouldn't be such a long listed of failures at the WR position for the Pats from 2005 through 2008.
 
Bruschi, who's going to be on WEEI's "Big Show" on Mondays now, is on board with Sidney Rice, but very tepid on Chad Johnson.
 
Bruschi, who's going to be on WEEI's "Big Show" on Mondays now, is on board with Sidney Rice, but very tepid on Chad Johnson.

Now that makes me wonder what Troy Brown would think. I think I'd value his opinion a little more on WR talk in the Pats system.
 
I would rather have Rice over Chad
 
For the final time. No one said you did.


Originally Posted by DaBruinz
You really need to read better. What Andy wrote was equivalent to an IF/THEN statement. IF Welker and Edelman play the same position, then they are the same player.


You just can't seem to comprehend that. What was said was that there was a significant difference in talent between Welker and Edelman and that you saying that the Pats downgrading at the slot receiver to potentially add a guy at the X or Z receiver spot who may or may not help the team doesn't make sense.

It doesnt make sense to you. Thats all.

How do you know that a FA WR wont help the Pats this season? Do you have a crystal ball over there?

No, it wasn't a little jab. But that's just goes to show the poor reading comprehension level you have.

Ive known you long enough. If anything, the next time youll get it right.

Yes. Yes you did. Just by virtue that you had to resort to pointing out mis-spellings only to do it twice yourself.

No, I havent. I just couldnt let it slide.

That's just it. You're points are half-assed at best. And the reason the Jets didn't have to worry about the "home run" is because Hernandez was out and Gronk had a poor game. But, don't let the facts get in the way of you defending your position.

There wasnt anybody to go deep.

Where was your boy Price at?

YOU expect BB to change for the sake of Change. I expect BB to make rational decisions based on the empirical evidence that the team gathers.

Yes, I expect BB to change for no reason.

Not that the Jets gameplan exposed a weakness in the NE offense or that the Jets may land Asomough. Nope, those thing wont matter at all. Its not like then NFL is a copycat league or anything.

As for why they lost the Jets game, the fact you believe that it was lost only because of a lack of a deep threat and not the lack of execution of plays by the Patriots shows how simplistic your views actually are.

We will see who is right very soon.

So, you post a quote from a no name website and think you are are somehow vindicated?

The Herald is a Boston paper and O'Shea is a NE positional coach. Dont want to beleive them and stick to your asinine views. Go right ahead.

Let's look at a few things:

1) That article was posted on December 22. By that time the Pats had played 14 games.

Yes, good for you. Edelman was still having problems with drops late in the season.

2) Edelman was only targeted 14 times ALL SEASON. He had, what, 3 drops all season. And you, somehow, conclude that the reason he had so few reps was because of 2 drops that happened in weeks 12 and 13? What about weeks 2 through 11 where he didn't see the field much except on punt returns?

Edelman dropped balls and more did not come his way, Thats the way Brady is. Brady will never publicly call one of his own players out in the media for performance issues. Your quote from Brady is basically worthless.

He is only reciting the party line. The same thing Belichick would say if asked.

3) From week 2 through week 7, Edelman was in on less than 16% of the plays. And that included punt returns... But, yes, it was because of the drops in week 12 and 13 and not because the Pats used the fewest number of multi-WR sets since BB took over as coach.

Catch the ball in practice and in the game and you will get more playing time. Funny how that works.

Edelman had the lowest completion % of any NE WR. Tate was next.

Maybe this is a website you like. If not, too bad. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2010

That means he caught 7 passes and dropped 7 passes. 50% will never cut it. 66% or higher is an exceptable level - 2 out of 3. If Brady is completing at least 2 out of 3 passes, then the Pats are in good shape

4) BTW, you really should go back and read that article again because you purposely left out a section.

Read this

We always say here… our job as receivers is to get open and catch the ball. However we do that, we need to catch the ball,” O’Shea said. ”Regardless of what the reason is we dropped it, we need to go out there and correct the mistakes. Julian will work hard to do so, just as all our receivers will work hard to catch the ball and get open every week.”

WOW. First off, the Pats run a route tree. That means that each individual receiver has between 3 and 6 different routes he can run based on his read of the defense. And it's expected that he and the QB read the defense the same so that are in sync.

And no, if a WR on the team goes onto IR, they are not bringing in a guy off the street. They'll bring in a guy off the practice squad like Darnell Jenkins or Buddy Farnham.

Based on your idea that "these guys have seen everything", Doug Gabriel was a HOFer for the Pats.. So was Joey Galloway.. :rolleyes:

If it was as easy as you claimed, then there wouldn't be such a long listed of failures at the WR position for the Pats from 2005 through 2008.

Yes, Galloway and Gabriel were HOFers. Thats what I meant.

Dude, you need to layoff the booze.
 
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That's a possibility, what specific players did you have in mind for what positions? Suppose we take Kiwi, Cullen Jenkins, Marcus Spears, Manny Lawson, etc, how much more effective will they make us at what cost?

Also, keep in mind I'm not considering Rice, I had Malcolm Floyd or Roy Williams in mind depending on the price tag and contract restrictions. Fitzgerald is my hope for next year.


Roy Williams?.....not a chance....
 
Surprised to hear your feelings about Welker, Sciz--especially coming from you.

I think that his ability to read/react to defenses + his overall chemistry with Brady are what keeps this offense moving.

I think the BAL playoff loss was a prime example of 'some' of the problems that the offense faced without him.

He's just the 'go-to' guy, and NO--I don't think that Edelman would simply come in and take over his role with no apparent dropoff. They may both be white and shifty slotguys, but they have many differences.
I agree with u here.....and that is another thing that I think sets him apart from edelman. The ability to read the D and quickly adjust....and the almost "psychic" connection with Brady. Brady always says he knows EXACTLY where Wes is going to be on the field....and that is invaluable... and i am sure it is vice versa with Wes....
 
I've decided that if the Pats go with Ochocinco whenever he is cut, I'll be fine.

Ochocinco-Welker-Branch, the best WR core in the nfl? No. Very good? Yes. Better than Branch-Welker-Tate.

I guess a kid would backup each of them. Ocho/Tate, Welker/Edelman, Branch/Price.
 
I'd love to get Derrick Mason. He always kills us when we play them. He knows how to get open, competes like crazy, and is a strong locker room presence.
 
I've decided that if the Pats go with Ochocinco whenever he is cut, I'll be fine.

Ochocinco-Welker-Branch, the best WR core in the nfl? No. Very good? Yes. Better than Branch-Welker-Tate.

I guess a kid would backup each of them. Ocho/Tate, Welker/Edelman, Branch/Price.
Branch-Welker-Gaffney is considerably better than Branch-Welker-Tate.
 
I'd like Ocho to come here just to have him bring some personality to this team.
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