I feel bad for Randy Moss

[captain insano]

i feel bad for the guy because he has serious mental health issues. hopefully for him he starts seeing a shrink. im glad the pats got that one great year out of him before his experation date came. but im happy hes gone and hope he never returns.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

At least PJ was admittedly hammered when he wrote that. I unfortunately am hungover as I write this. How about a little perspective here. The man has made $65 million dollars before his 34th birthday playing football. With all the serious sh*t going on these days, men who play sports for a living (especially selfish ones) who don't get to win a championship should be last on the list of people to field bad for.

To me he is the anti-Patriot type of player and the team became soft trying to mold the team around him.

 

[Ring 6]

In a way, yes. But basically he blew it up when he sensed it would not be bliss. That is his weakness, I guess. The guys seems to mean well but just can't help but **** things up. I've been there.

Thanks for the reminder about the Advil.

You too, DW. Good to see you, bro.

I already gave te wife some Advils. Time to take some myself, I s'pose.

And yes, I meant that I'd like to see Randy come back as a WR. He'd still be the best WR on the team. It's not his fault that TFB only had eyes for him.

****, this offeason is too long.

You really are not blaming Moss' lack of production on Brady throwing to him too much are you?
He wasn't even close to the best receiver on any team he played on last year?
Moss of 2010 was just not the same player as Moss of 2007. No need to search for mystical reasoning, he proved on 3 different teams he is just not effective anymore.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I blame him more so because there were at least 3 very obvious holding calls he didn't have the balls to call .

Yeah, but that probably happens on close to every play. I sometimes think that if Offensive Holding was called every time it occurs, games might take five hours.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I really wonder if Brady's 'not so great' 2009 campaign had as much to do with forcing the ball to Moss alot to keep him happy as it did with his comeback from a knee injury.

A 2009 season without Moss might actually have been better....hard to say that since Moss had over 1,000 yards, but after seeing Brady without Moss this past year I don't know if you can say that is laughable.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

At least PJ was admittedly hammered when he wrote that. I unfortunately am hungover as I write this. How about a little perspective here. The man has made $65 million dollars before his 34th birthday playing football. With all the serious sh*t going on these days, men who play sports for a living (especially selfish ones) who don't get to win a championship should be last on the list of people to field bad for.

To me he is the anti-Patriot type of player and the team became soft trying to mold the team around him.

Whoa, you are a tough audience!

I'm not going to get all teary-eyed over their fate, but I think I'll reserve the right to feel empathy for people of real accomplishment whose best days are now behind them but who never won the big prize, even if they got paid what a free market said they were worth.

And he might not have been a Patriot "type of player, but, "Come on, man," 2007 was a helluva season, wasn't it, for him, his quarterback and his team?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Man, you are a tough audience!

I'm not going to get all teary-eyed over their fate, but I think I'll reserve the right to feel empathy for people of real accomplishment whose best days are behind them, like Randy Moss, who never win the big prize, even if they got paid what a free market said they were worth.

And he might not have been a Patriot "type of player, but, come on, 2007 was a helluva season, wasn't it, for him, his quarterback and his team?

P74 I am not downgrading Moss contrbutions in 2007 but I have a question for you....

Without Moss in 2007 and say we kept Caldwell or some other FA as our top wideout,How many games do the Patriots win in 2007 without Moss???

How many games was Moss the difference between what would have been a loss had he not been there?

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

BB did not trade Moss because he was unhappy with him; it was my understanding that Moss asked to be traded. I could be wrong here; I am basing this on some locker room comments.

Anyway I would love to see Randy brought back as a WR coach especially if the Patriots draft some talented rooks (Julio Jones? Ha).

As far as being unhappy in NE I think that the DBags in the media are to blame. Especially the deluxe DBag nozzles such as Felger and Callahan. Borges also hated Randy until BB traded him...

It was pretty funny how Felger was strutting around like a rooster after Randy was traded and the Patriots were winning. Gawd could Felger have been right? Nope; the Jets proved that when they exploited the Patriots lack of a deep threat. I have to think that the Patriots would have beaten the Jets (and everyone else) if Randy was still on the team.

 

[Tunescribe]

I feel bad for Randy because he kind of lost his way. This wouldn't have happened if he had stronger command of himself emotionally, and a keener professional attitude. There's no denying the guy had heart, he just needed better discernment and maturity as a person.

I too am a flawed being.

I find this difficult to accept.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

BB did not trade Moss because he was unhappy with him; it was my understanding that Moss asked to be traded. I could be wrong that; I am basing this on some lockerroom comments.

Anyway I would love to see Randy brought back as a WR coach especially if the Patriots draft some talented rooks (Julio Jones? Ha).

As far as being unhappy in NE I think that the DBags in the media are to blame. Especially the delux DBag nozzles such as Felger and Callahan. Borges also hated Randy until BB traded him...

Do you really think the Patriots would really say if Randy was causing a disruption to the team and was no longer a leader type?

The Pats keep things under cover as we all know,while it may have been true that Randy simply wanted to be traded as you say, I highly doubt it was as simple as that.

I remember when Moss was no longer a captain on the team,that might have been something behind the scenes we will never know about.

Patriots players are told to tell the media all kids of stuff that may not be actual...just to keep them guessing and off the front pages of the sports sections.

When Kendrick Perkins was traded from the Celtics you could clearly see the players were absolutely distrought and mad and expressed it,even without saying any words....I really never felt that was the situation with the Pats players when Moss was gone.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

P74 I am not downgrading Moss contrbutions in 2007 but I have a question for you....

Without Moss in 2007 and say we kept Caldwell or some other FA as our top wideout,How many games do the Patriots win in 2007 without Moss???

(I wasn't responding to you.)

And the question is purely hypothetical, so how do I know? How could anyone "know?"

But, for the heck of it, let's look at the "close" regular season games (defined as games settled by less than a touchdown) that the Patriots played that year. We beat Indy by four in a game where he scored a TD and put up 145 yards. We beat the Eagles by three, when he wasn't a factor statistically and Wes played really well. He scored one TD in the Ravens game that we won by three. He scored two TD's and put up 100 yards in our three point win on the last game of the season against the Gints.

Would anyone who knows anything about football try to make the case that any of those games would have been lost without number 84 or, indeed, would still have been won with the named and unnamed players you hypothesize in his place? Of course not. But Moss was a factor on the scoreboard in all but one of them and a big factor in two of them; that's about all you can say from either side of this discussion as far as I can see.

 

[Ring 6]

BB did not trade Moss because he was unhappy with him; it was my understanding that Moss asked to be traded. I could be wrong here; I am basing this on some locker room comments.

So you think if a player wants to be traded, because their contract is expiring, even if it hurts the team, BB would trade them? Not the BB Ive seen.
For your theory to be correct wouldn't Moss have to go on and do something other than suck for the rest of the year?

Anyway I would love to see Randy brought back as a WR coach especially if the Patriots draft some talented rooks (Julio Jones? Ha).

Why? What do we do with a WR who cant get open?

As far as being unhappy in NE I think that the DBags in the media are to blame. Especially the deluxe DBag nozzles such as Felger and Callahan. Borges also hated Randy until BB traded him...

So, you think Moss didnt want to play here because of the media? Really?

It was pretty funny how Felger was strutting around like a rooster after Randy was traded and the Patriots were winning. Gawd could Felger have been right? Nope; the Jets proved that when they exploited the Patriots lack of a deep threat. I have to think that the Patriots would have beaten the Jets (and everyone else) if Randy was still on the team.

Thats quite a bizarre thought process. We did better vs the Jets in both games without Moss than in the game with him.

Why would Felgers like or dislike of Moss have anything to do with it?

 

[FCB02062]

I kinda feel bad for him as well, after all, he's got the whole earth on his shoulders

Randy Moss was the most exciting player I've ever seen wear a Patriot uniform...other than Chad Jackson and Michael Bishop, of course

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Maybe it's only because I'm maybe (definitely) hammered, but thinking about Randy Moss makes me feel sad. He put in a startling effort, set records, infuriated fans, caught what should have been a game-winning SB TD, worked hard for a green QB (MC), took plays off now and then, let his inner douche get the better of him, busted his butt, and it was all for naught.

The guy seemed to REALLY want to win, and he never won it all. He cared about the Pats and TFB and BB. I loved him, personally-speaking. Thinking about how the man *****ed his way out of town makes me want to cry. I wish there was a way he could win it all. Hell, I wish he could come back as a 4th string CB and get a ring in 2011 or 2012.

I just feel bad for the guy. He worked hard, did the amazing, and was hated for it due to perception and his own weaknesses.

I think he is the most underappreciated Patriot ever.

He deserved to be in the Pats HOF, and instead he's a joke.

I hope he is happy.

Flame on, flamers.

Not me. I think a lot of guys dumped on him, and he is a little bit of a head
case, but I genuinely liked the guy and hoped it was going to work it's way
out. Unfortunately, he shot his way out of town to his detriment. It should
have been better for him but it was of his own doing. They are all big boys
and with actions come consequences, good and bad.

 

[reflexblue]

Maybe it's only because I'm maybe (definitely) hammered, but thinking about Randy Moss makes me feel sad. He put in a startling effort, set records, infuriated fans, caught what should have been a game-winning SB TD, worked hard for a green QB (MC), took plays off now and then, let his inner douche get the better of him, busted his butt, and it was all for naught.

The guy seemed to REALLY want to win, and he never won it all. He cared about the Pats and TFB and BB. I loved him, personally-speaking. Thinking about how the man *****ed his way out of town makes me want to cry. I wish there was a way he could win it all. Hell, I wish he could come back as a 4th string CB and get a ring in 2011 or 2012.

I just feel bad for the guy. He worked hard, did the amazing, and was hated for it due to perception and his own weaknesses.

I think he is the most underappreciated Patriot ever.

He deserved to be in the Pats HOF, and instead he's a joke.

I hope he is happy.

Flame on, flamers.

Me Too.................

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Moss is just a prima donna who wants things his own way and its more about money than team at this point in his career.

Moss is not a bad guy or a scumbag and he probably is a real cool guy, but nevertheless deep down inside he is all about himself and what he can obtain to the highest level regardless of how it affects the team as a whole.

There maybe once was in 07 AND 08,but there no longer is T-E-A-M in M-O-S-S

 

[Ring 6]

Moss is just a prima donna who wants things his own way and its more about money than team at this point in his career.

Moss is not a bad guy or a scumbag and he probably is a real cool guy, but nevertheless deep down inside he is all about himself and what he can obtain to the highest level regardless of how it affects the team as a whole.

There maybe once was in 07 AND 08,but there no longer is T-E-A-M in M-O-S-S

You seem to post a lot of these comments about what is going on inside a players head, and post them as fact not opinion.
Do you seriously believe that you can not only judge what a player thinks, the level of effort he gives and what he cares about, but that your judgment is should influence other peoples judgments?
I'm not saying you think that, but thats what it sounds like

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You seem to post a lot of these comments about what is going on inside a players head, and post them as fact not opinion.
Do you seriously believe that you can not only judge what a player thinks, the level of effort he gives and what he cares about, but that your judgment is should influence other peoples judgments?
I'm not saying you think that, but thats what it sounds like

Like most in here everything I post is usually my opinion unless otherwise stated as fact or proof such as a pic or
documentation
...Its simply posted most of the time as to what I think but since my wording confuses you,there is your answer.

However I have been told by friends/family that I seem to have been blessed in my life with a perception of people and have been right on much more often than not....seems to help me from becoming a victim of scams/hoaxes which I have never had happen and I express what I perceive in the world outside of my own as well,including sports athletes.

I am not always right about people but definately not anywhere near always wrong.

 

[FloridaHerb]

I'm sure I'm a sucker but if the Patriots have another championship season in the next couple of years I'd like to see Randy involved in some sort of limited role. I just like the guy... he wears his heart on his sleeve and he opens his mouth from time to time when he should shut up but he was a main contributor to the Patriots success in recent years.

To me he'll remain a Patriot until he stabs the organization in the back or has a full season with another team. So far he's done neither.

BTW, it's my birthday weekend..forgive my moment of weakness. I know he was showing all signs of becoming a major pain in the @ss but he was a lot of fun to watch and I miss the deep threat!!!

*sighs* ok, I'm over it again, kinda.... In Belichick We Trust, etc.... If I'm gonna continue to drink this Kool Aid with every bitter pill will someone at least have the decency to spike it?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm sure I'm a sucker but if the Patriots have another championship season in the next couple of years I'd like to see Randy involved in some sort of limited role. I just like the guy... he wears his heart on his sleeve and he opens his mouth from time to time when he should shut up but he was a main contributor to the Patriots success in recent years.

To me he'll remain a Patriot until he stabs the organization in the back or has a full season with another team. So far he's done neither.

IMO, he either stabbed the team in the back last year by giving up, or his skills were gone. What happened after the trade makes me lean toward the second, but I don't get the positive feelings for a guy who tried to abandon the team.