What pass rusher can we trade Mankins for?

[Ochmed Jones]

Mankins to Dallas for Anthony Spencer love that guy.

I think Spencer outperformed Ware over the second half of the season last year. Of course Ware does draw a huge crowd which leaves Spencer on the other side to beat just one guy.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Good grief, Spencer for Mankins? That would be a deal I'd do in a minute. Spencer, a somewhat disappointing former first round pick, who's big and strong and 6 years younger than Burgess, would be a dynamite addition to our D even if he doesn't represent full 'value' for a horse like Mankins. Maybe Spencer isn't an elite passrusher but he'd certainly have a more positive effect on our D than Burgess seems able to manage.

I'd do this trade because letting Mankins rot at home just to prove a point isn't going to help our team. If anyone was offering a first for Mankins I bet the Pats would have taken it by now. Thus, Mankins' relative, immediate 'value' is reduced and turning him into a useful, maybe even blooming talent, like Spencer would be - a fair trade. Just what we're looking for.

I wouldn't blame BB for trying a squeeze a 4th or 5th out of the Cowboys along with Spencer but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me - remember, Mankins is about to sign a monster contract and the team that trades for him has to take that into account when considering what 'value' Mankins has to them. How about throwing in Burgess for a sweetener? Please?

The Cowboys O-line doesn't look so hot, a bare knuckle type like Mankins might be just what Jerry ordered. But, of course, this move makes way too much sense for both teams so count on it not happening.

 

[stinkypete]

The only reasonable pass rusher I could see going in a trade for Mankins would be Mathias Kiwanuka, and only because Kuwanuka has been injury prone and never really found a place in the Giants D. This is pure speculation of course, I see the Giants needing interior line help and I don't think Kiwanuka fits into their plans anymore.

In reality, Kiwanuka would be a project at OLB in the 3-4, a total crapshoot actually, and a 3rd round pick would probably be as valuable if not more.

Really I think there's no possibility of a Mankins trade netting a pass rusher who improves the 2010 team. Look around the league, there are very few guys who fit that role, that talent needs to be drafted. The best bet is, if he's really not going to play, to dump him off to an NFC contender for a 3rd and a 2012 pick.

It's not a satisfying result, but really probably the most realistic.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Anthony Spencer, had a Career year with 6 sacks last year. Manny Lawson, had a Career last year with 6.5 sacks they both play in two of the most aggressive defenses in the NFL how do you think they will do in the pats system playing in front of a weak D line ? not much better then Burgess, IMO


let's hope Jermaine Cunningham, can get healthy soon and bring something to the table cause he's all the pats got right now as far as OLB options go

 

[Shockt327]

How about Mankins for Chris Canty (+ a pick)? I know he's not an OLB, but he's sure as hell a solid 3-4 DT that could replace Mike Wright. Hasn't he also has been misused on that Giants team (like Kiwanuka who really isn't a 3-4 OLB anyhow)?

That or send Mankins to Pit for Jason Woirlds (+ a pick). He might not have the size for BB's 3-4 though.

 

[Patjew]

Wait for the Jets to sign Adalius and then trade Mankins for him.

 

[Joker]

oh no...you didn't....YOU DID!!!

man, that's just plain cruel...

 

[ausbacker]

Pass rush? All I want to see is a collapsed pocket pushed back into the opposing QB's face.

 

[TruthSeeker]

OK, I'll say it since no one else did (that I saw in my brief perusal of this thread).

No one's going to trade anyone to the Patriots for Mankins since the Patriots can't trade Mankins - he's not under contract. And trying to get him under contract without the Patriots giving him a lot of money up front seems to me to be a really big deal (i.e. it's not going to happen).

On the other hand, this thread hasn't devolved into the shouting matches that some find troublesome, so just keep right on posting.

 

[Spiral]

His (his agent gets about 3%) agent will get about a quarter million dollars of this new payday if he can get $8m. It is about money with the agent. They are unscrupulous anyway so the difference between $6.5m and $8m is about $50,000 to Mr. Bauer. The Pats should pay him an "honorarium" of that $50k as good will and get this deal done. You think he would ever tell LM?

DW Toys

So you're saying that the Patriots should pay off LM's agent so that he'll get Mankins to sign? Here's what's wrong with that:

The agent could be sued by LM.
The agent would be de-certified.
The agent could be dis-barred if he's an attorney.
The Patriots could also be sued.
Roger Goodell wouldn't pass up the opportunity to fine, suspend, and take draft choices away from both Belichick and Kraft.

Other than that, I don't see a problem with it.

 

[AzPatsFan]

And you know this for a fact Cousin? Sign and Trade is the key and we all understand that. Fantasy football is B.S. anyway. You got to go with facts. Fact:
Lawson and Mankins want more $.

Mankins lambasted Team owner and Coach.

Guards are more replaceable than pass rushing OLB (even All Pro).

Lawson at 6"5" is a-typical although a little light for a BB OLB, plus he might be a better coverage LB than any on our roster.

He is a former first rounder, young and coming into his own

Plus a third rounder added would be nice (according to their "fantasy" as some call it, football needs in SF not mine).

Let's all agree he is a step up from Burgess, Murrell, and the injured Cunningham.

The theme of this Cousins thread was "What pass rusher can we trade Mankins for?" The response of possible partners or deals(feasible) is always open to conjecture but the responses can still be reasonable. Call it Fantasy football or Madden if you like, but that was not the spirit of this Cousins post.

This is for entertainment and it does not affect anyone's life or livelihood on this site one would hope.
DW Toys

"...Let's all agree he is a step up from Burgess, Murrell, and the injured Cunningham.
..."

Why would we agree to that proposition when it is simply untrue? Both TBC and Burgess have turned in more impressive years than Mr. Lawson has ever done. In Burgess case more than once, and TBC has matched his best year, and beaten it severely in another. Cunningham is a total unknown and pure speculation...

Incidently Mr. Lawson was my draft binkie the year he came out. He is a good player, but a disapointment.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

So you're saying that the Patriots should pay off LM's agent so that he'll get Mankins to sign? Here's what's wrong with that:

The agent could be sued by LM.
The agent would be de-certified.
The agent could be dis-barred if he's an attorney.
The Patriots could also be sued.
Roger Goodell wouldn't pass up the opportunity to fine, suspend, and take draft choices away from both Belichick and Kraft.

Other than that, I don't see a problem with it.

How sad is it that we have to live in fear of NYJ homer boy, Roger "I bleed green and White and not just because I have the clap" Goddell.

When are the owner's going to realize they made a bad move hiring Woody Johnson's lap boy.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Any move would require a sign and trade agreement, OK, good, now that's out of the way.

If we were able to step out of our Pats loving skins for a moment and become say, someone with a good football head, like Jaws, Gruden, or Gosselin, etc., wouldn't we then coolly look at our defense with either Spencer and or Lawson added and see it as much better than it stands today? Of course, we would. Cunningham could have all the potential in the world but Spencer and/or Lawson have as much, plus they have years in the league already, a big plus over a rookie. Maybe neither Spencer or Lawson are perfect for our D, but using the Gruden viewpoint again, they'd be positive for our team not a negative.

And, please, let's not get into whether the guys I named know anything about football. the point was only to get you to picture someone you trust as an NFL observer.

 

[TB=TD]

Peño Peppers, Julius's brother from another mother.

 

[captain stone]

I said this on draft day a few years ago and I will say it again. Mayo is JAG. He makes zero plays.

BB has created this massive problem by failing to draft and develop any OLB's over the past decade. Anybody we trade for now is like putting a band aid on a severed limb.

However for the sake of argument, I would call our old buddy Al Davis and try to steal Quinten Groves from him. (Say for James Sanders) He would need a year in our system to be deprogrammed and taught proper technique, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

I agree, on all 3 points.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

How sad is it that we have to live in fear of NYJ homer boy, Roger "I bleed green and White and not just because I have the clap" Goddell.

When are the owner's going to realize they made a bad move hiring Woody Johnson's lap boy.

Er, it wouldn't matter who the commissioner is...illegal is still illegal. Unethical is still unethical.

 

[Reckedtrek]

OK, I'll say it since no one else did (that I saw in my brief perusal of this thread).

No one's going to trade anyone to the Patriots for Mankins since the Patriots can't trade Mankins - he's not under contract. And trying to get him under contract without the Patriots giving him a lot of money up front seems to me to be a really big deal (i.e. it's not going to happen).

On the other hand, this thread hasn't devolved into the shouting matches that some find troublesome, so just keep right on posting.

You know that it's been widely reported that Mankins told the Pats to trade him if they're not going to pay him, right? Sign and trade- ring a bell? No? Never mind- just keep right on posting.

 

[crowell33]

You know that it's been widely reported that Mankins told the Pats to trade him if they're not going to pay him, right? Sign and trade- ring a bell? No? Never mind- just keep right on posting.

I haven't heard that, would you post a link?

 

[Deus Irae]

You know that it's been widely reported that Mankins told the Pats to trade him if they're not going to pay him, right? Sign and trade- ring a bell? No? Never mind- just keep right on posting.

He wants to be traded. Do you think he'll just go wherever the Patriots decide when he can hold the hammer? If he doesn't want to go to Detroit, for example, he's not signing on to a trade with Detroit.

 

[JMarr]

Good grief, Spencer for Mankins? That would be a deal I'd do in a minute. Spencer, a somewhat disappointing former first round pick, who's big and strong and 6 years younger than Burgess, would be a dynamite addition to our D even if he doesn't represent full 'value' for a horse like Mankins. Maybe Spencer isn't an elite passrusher but he'd certainly have a more positive effect on our D than Burgess seems able to manage.

I'd do this trade because letting Mankins rot at home just to prove a point isn't going to help our team. If anyone was offering a first for Mankins I bet the Pats would have taken it by now. Thus, Mankins' relative, immediate 'value' is reduced and turning him into a useful, maybe even blooming talent, like Spencer would be - a fair trade. Just what we're looking for.

I wouldn't blame BB for trying a squeeze a 4th or 5th out of the Cowboys along with Spencer but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me - remember, Mankins is about to sign a monster contract and the team that trades for him has to take that into account when considering what 'value' Mankins has to them. How about throwing in Burgess for a sweetener? Please?

The Cowboys O-line doesn't look so hot, a bare knuckle type like Mankins might be just what Jerry ordered. But, of course, this move makes way too much sense for both teams so count on it not happening.

They are freaking out about their O-Line in Cowboyland. Many fans are ready throw in the towell this year already, they are so disgusted by their offense(!!).

I think Marion Barber and Felix Jones combined for something like 5 yards total rushing vs. the Texans on Saturday. Mankins would look like a gift from heaven to Jerry Jones right about now.

Unfortunately I don't think Jones is as senile as Al Davis yet, so Spencer probably isn't being discussed (assuming BB would even want Spencer). However, just give the Cowboys a RS loss or two with absolutely no offense to start the season and BB might give Jerry a call and even bring up DeMarcus Ware's name.