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    Well, really, what is there to say about this game other than the obvious? Here now is the obvious, in colored ink:

    Code:
    [SIZE="3"]1st Drive[/SIZE]
    04:52	1 & 10	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](RB screen)[/COLOR]
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Brady: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    		[COLOR="#ff8c00"]Light: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    		[COLOR="#ff8c00"]Mankins: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Cofield)
    
    03:30	1 & 10	4 man rush
    03:24	2 & 10	4 man rush
    02:37	3 & 3	5 man rush	(Mitchell blitz)
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Koppen: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    01:24	2 & 8	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](RB bubble screen)[/COLOR]
    00:37	1 & 10	4 man rush
    00:32	2 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Mankins: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    00:29	3 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Kaczur: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    [SIZE="3"]2nd Drive[/SIZE]
    11:53	1 & 10	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](RB screen)	(Brady + Kaczur)[/COLOR]
    
    [SIZE="3"]3rd Drive[/SIZE]
    07:55	2 & 9	5 man rush	(Ross + Mitchell blitz, Umenyiora drops)
    		[COLOR="Red"]Mankins: sack[/COLOR]	(Mitchell)
    		[COLOR="red"]Kaczur: sack[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    07:19	3 & 17	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Light: pressure[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    		[COLOR="Red"]Mankins: sack[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    		[COLOR="red"]Koppen: sack[/COLOR]	(Alford)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    [COLOR="Magenta"]*Neal injured on play[/COLOR]
    
    [SIZE="3"]4th Drive[/SIZE]
    01:47	1 & 10	5 man rush	(Wilson + Dockerty blitz, Umenyiora drops)
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Hochstein: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Wilson)
    
    01:35	3 & 13	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](WR screen)[/COLOR]
    01:11	1 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="#ff8c00"]Mankins: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    		[COLOR="#ff8c00"]Light: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    
    00:59	2 & 13	5 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](WR screen)[/COLOR]
    00:35	3 & 4	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Light: pressure[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    
    00:28	1 & 10	 5 man rush
    		[COLOR="orange"]Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    00:22	1 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Red"]Mankins: sack[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    [SIZE="3"]5th Drive[/SIZE]
    14:53	1 & 10	5 man rush	(Pierce + Wilson, Umenyiora zone blitz)
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Hochstein: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    13:41	2 & 3	4 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](RB screen)[/COLOR]
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Kaczur: tipped pass[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    13:36	3 & 3	3 man rush
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Light: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    
    12:18	2 & 12	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Hochstein: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    11:38	3 & 5	5 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](Kaczur + Watson)[/COLOR]	(Wilson + Dockerty blitz, Strahan drops)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Pressure, overload left[/COLOR]	(Wilson)
    
    11:00	1 & 10	4 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](RB screen)[/COLOR]
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Light: pressure[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    
    10:08	2 & 11	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](WR screen)[/COLOR]
    09:26	3 & 13	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="orange"]Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    08:10	2 & 10	4 man rush
    07:23	3 & 7	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Red"]Kaczur: sack[/COLOR]	(Strahan)
    
    06:49	4 & 13	4 man rush
    
    [SIZE="3"]6th Drive[/SIZE]
    03:04	1 & 15	6 man rush	(Mitchell + Pierce blitz)
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Koppen: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Mitchell)
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Mankins: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    03:01	2 & 15	4 man rush
    01:03	1 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="orange"]Mankins: pressure[/COLOR]	(Cofield)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Koppen: pressure[/COLOR]	(Cofield)
    
    00:17	1 & 10	5 man rush	(Tuck drops, Pierce and Butler blitz)
    00:14	2 & 15	4 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](play action)[/COLOR]
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Kaczur: knockdown[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    00:06	3 & 15	6 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](WR screen)[/COLOR]
    
    [SIZE="3"]7th Drive[/SIZE]
    10:59	1 & 10	4 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](play action)[/COLOR]
    10:26	1 & 10	5 man rush	(Pierce blitz)	[COLOR="#4169e1"](WR screen)[/COLOR]
    09:41	2 & 7	4 man rush	(Tuck drops, Dockerty blitzes)	[COLOR="#4169e1"](Kaczur + Watson)[/COLOR]
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Light: pressure[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    
    09:36	3 & 7	4 man rush	
    		[COLOR="orange"]Light: pressure[/COLOR]	(Umenyiora)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Koppen: pressure	[/COLOR](Tuck)
    
    [SIZE="3"]8th Drive[/SIZE]
    07:54	1 & 10	5 man rush	(Umenyiora drops, Ross + Pierce blitz)
    07:19	2 & 5	4 man rush
    06:14	2 & 1	4 man rush
    05:27	1 & 10	4 man rush
    05:01	2 & 6	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="orange"]Mankins: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    
    04:15	1 & 10	4 man rush
    04:12	2 & 10	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](play action)[/COLOR]
    03:31	1 & 10	4 man rush
    02:55	1 & 6	4 man rush	[COLOR="#4169e1"](double play action)[/COLOR]
    02:49	2 & 6	7 man rush
    02:45	3 & 6	3 man rush	(Tuck drops)
    
    [SIZE="3"]9th Drive[/SIZE]
    00:29	1 & 10	6 man rush	(Dockerty + Wilson blitz)
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Mankins: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Koppen: pressure[/COLOR]	(Tuck)
    		[COLOR="orange"]Faulk: pressure[/COLOR]	(Dockerty + Wilson)
    
    00:25	2 & 10	4 man rush
    		[COLOR="Red"]Hochstein: sack[/COLOR]	(Alford)
    
    00:19	3 & 20	4 man rush	[COLOR="RoyalBlue"](Watson + Kaczur)[/COLOR]
    00:10	4 & 20	4 man rush
    Though every armchair coach and coordinator on this board has been complaining about McDaniels' un-Weisian dislike for the screen game, we still ran screen plays approximately 1 out of every 6 pass plays.

    The tight ends stayed in to pass block more than is usual, but no more than Watson and Wesley Britt did the last time the Pats played the Giants.

    The Giants pass rush tired out during the 8th drive in the 4th quarter, which I think is the primary reason our offense starting clicking. The offense ran no screens, and no more short plays than was customary on other drives.

    Brady spent approximately 4 out of every 5 passing plays in the shotgun.

    The Pats usually had Faulk running a route because, like in the 2nd half of Week 17, the linebacker covering him would often convert to a rusher if Faulk stayed in to block. It's not like the Giants were routinely sending overload blitzes anyways.

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    Name		Sack	Knock	Press	Tip	False
    Light		0	3	5	0	2
    Mankins		3	2	5	0	0
    Koppen		1	1	4	0	0
    Hochstein	1	2	1	0	0
    Neal		0	0	0	0	0
    Kaczur		2	2	3	1	0
    Neither Kyle Brady, Ben Watson, or Kevin Faulk are included, as they didn't pass block enough to be significant. It is noteworthy how poor Kyle Brady's blocking was on the night, however.

    Of the linemen, Logan Mankins in particular had his worst game of the season. Several times he took himself out of position, and when he was in position he was often straight-up beat, usually by Justin Tuck. Overall I'd say he had the worst game of the linemen.

    Russ Hochstein may not have been as bad in general, but when he was bad he was very bad. Consider the following:

    [​IMG]

    It wasn't just Tuck doing it to him either:

    [​IMG]

    That's Tuck, incidently, sandwiched in that Mankins-Koppen double team up top. Here's Tuck, again, in the same double team on the play previous:

    [​IMG]

    Tuck defeats Mankins' arms before he can pass him off to Koppen, then splits them both and drags them into the backfield, leaving Faulk to block both Kevin Dockerty and Gibril Wilson on the blitz, an oft-repeated theme on the night. In what I interpret as an act of defiant protest, Faulk proceeds to block neither.

    What do you do, as a coach, when you can't even slow a guy down with a double team, or hit blitzers when they're running two-abrest? You can't triple-team everybody.

    Here's another play to the above point:

    [​IMG]

    Basically everyone except Stephen Neal straight-up lost to the lineman they were blocking. Every Giants rusher got to the quarterback on this play. All 4. Neal is only spared a demerit because he didn't have anyone to block, just chipped in on double teams.

    The first failure is Justin Tuck beating Logan Mankins and bumping Osi Umenyiora off of Matt Light's block. Light recovers and shoves Umenyiora just wide of Tom Brady, but Mankins trails Tuck all the way on this play and Tuck is the first to reach Brady. On the other side, Neal comes off a double team on Jay Alford to help Kaczur with Strahan. Strahan also goes wide of Brady, but Alford quickly powers through Koppen's upfield shoulder and gets to Brady just after Tuck.

    Brady's drop is at 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage so its not like he's not giving the interior of the line space to work with. Any farther back and the defensive ends would have a straight shot at him.
     
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    Guard Play

    This is the Justin Tuck sack at the end of the 1st half that resulted in a forced fumble:

    [​IMG]

    Again, Mankins loses Tuck from the snap of the ball, and Tuck then pinballs off Matt Light's block on Osi Umenyiora, knocking Light to the side. Koppen doesn't block anyone as Tuck beats Mankins away from Koppen's help.

    Tuck was the catalyst for a lot of these breakdowns up front in this game.

    Besides simply being beat, both Patriots guards had a lot of trouble identifying blitzes and honoring their responsibilities, which I attribute to something of a football panic reflex. Here the victim is Russ Hochstein:

    [​IMG]

    You can't see it, but on the far side of the line Osi Umenyiora is dropping into coverage. Justin Tuck stunts outside to take his place.

    [​IMG]

    Hochstein is in fact joining a triple team with Koppen and Mankins on Hall of Fame hopeful Jay Alford. Presumably he doesn't see Gibril Wilson, and is leaving Kevin Dockerty for Kevin Faulk to block.

    [​IMG]

    You can see how far from where he's needed Hochstein ends up being.

    Faulk picks up Dockerty just behind the line, but there's no one to block Wilson. The silver lining on this play is that the triple team did a pretty good job of stopping the dangerous Jay Alford.
     
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    On Screens

    In the foreground you can see Jabar Gaffney running a dig or curl. He's open, but its hard to find an open receiver right over an unblocked blitz.

    [​IMG]

    There's been a lot of criticism about the lack of screens. As I mentioned earlier, 1 out of every 6 pass plays was some kind of screen. Here in a picture is why they weren't always successful:

    [​IMG]

    While the Giants front 4 often mounted an aggressive pass rush, they were for the most part aware of the danger of the screen game. The very first play, in fact, saw both Fred Robbins and Strahan stop their rush and attempt to find the screen in the backfield. They failed because the screen was being set farther downfield (and in the case of Fred Robbins and Reggie Torbor, on the other side of the field), but because it took so long to set up both Umenyiora and Cofield knocked Brady down before he could get off an accurate pass.

    Essentially, the screen game didn't work because the Giants were too fast for the Pats' linemen to leave unattended. Quick screens were all that were feasible, and they were of limited success, as above.

    You can see in the above screen shot how close the linebackers and corners are playing the line of scrimmage. There's not a lot of space in the flats to run screens.

    Basically the Giants bet all night that, unlike Week 17, Brady would never have enough time to throw an accurate deep pass to make them pay from crowding the short zones, and that Maroney would never break a long one on the same. They won that bet.

    EDIT: Forgot to include Reiss' player information.
    Positional Groupings
    Offensive Participation

    Reiss indicates that in the 2nd half the Pats went more to a 2 TE base set. He also states the Pats had their greatest success and greatest failures out of 3 wide, depending on whether the Giants were tired or not.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    I am speechless. Amazing work.

    How about our Pro Bowler Logan Mankins?
    3 Sacks, 2 Pressures, 5 QB Knockdowns

    It's amazing how much pressure the Giants got with 4 guys - Blitzed only 13 of 53 plays, and that included some screen plays. WOW!

    Again, amazing work.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Brilliant presentation. All of those fancy pictures & such. Kudos to you for spending god knows how many wasteful hours on that.

    Yet, the real problem was actually the Patriots refusal to establish a power running game. This is why the game was lost. Talk about screens, draws, delays, and all of those other finesse plays that supposedly negate a good pass rush.

    But the best remedy for this is always a physical running game. Especially in a game this close. That Giants D line would have been completely beaten down by the 4th quarter had the Patriots just kept feeding Maroney and pounding away with a two back set.

    Belichick should have known better than to stick with the pass-happy approach after seeing his QB getting pounded.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Agreed, but we did try that approach earlier in the year, and all it did was get our running backs injured.

    In the AFCCG last year we lost in large part due to the fact that we ran out of healthy running backs.

    I personally would have stuck a jumbo package on the field, but lets not kid ourselves, the Giants are an NFC East team and they know how to play that kind of game. Instead of banking on the big pass play you're hoping Maroney breaks one long to get the Giants to back off the line of scrimmage. It's the same deal as our problem with the passing offense.

    Ultimately players need to make plays, and that didn't happen for the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    I've got to disagree unoriginal (unbelievable analysis, though).

    We got beat up physically and there's nothing to energize a line better than to let them dish it out for a while. The giants were cramping up, we could have played a few series of smashmouth and even passed out of the max protect.

    If a couple series with a jumbo lineup would have helped get us off the defensive, I can't think of a better strategy other than what we did, which was to feed right into their pressure at all costs strategy.

    Running backs injured? It's the Super Bowl
     
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    Unoriginal,

    That was awsome, Guy's like you are why I come here.
     
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    Great analysis Unoriginal. Confirms what my disbelieving eyes knew they saw.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Great analysis and photos!

    I'd love to be able to see the coaches tape on many of the plays where Brady was sacked or pressured, but especially on the Tuck strip/sack that you detailed in your analysis. Brady was winding up to let one go deep there, and I'd love to know if anyone was open. Watching the game on TV, I just had a feeling that someone was open and that was going to be a big play/TD.

    It still amazes me that the defense gave the Offense FIVE POSSESSIONS to stretch the lead from 7-3 to 14-3 and the Offense could never get the job done. It's actually worse than that because one of those possessions resulted in a second chance via a Giants too many men on the field penalty.

    They could play this game a hundred times, and the Pats would probably never score 14 or fewer again.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Incredible breakdown, not sure I agree with all of the conclusions, but overall a very nice piece of work.
     
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    Excellent work. However, it still stings to see those pics.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Bumping this thread because it provides invaluable analysis of what was at the root of our problems, as opposed the the OC :blahblah: Brady :blahblah: conspiracy :blahblah: axe grinding and delusional blather that just lowers the bar and fuels ignorance.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Fantastic work unoriginal. I have a question for those ol gurus. I'm more of a dl guy. I've seen that our ol takes very tight splits. That's why they were able to keep T. Brady upright in the pocket all year. And, set an all-time record. I think D.Scarnecchia is the best ol coach in the league. And, the reason we won SB XXXIIX against Carolina. ol abused that supposedly great Carolina front all night. So, I'm not a hater here. Just wonder about one minor adjustment. Kaczur got beat with speed all night. Strahan just ran around him. Osi and Strahan lined up very wide on obvious passing situations. Kaczur and Light don't suck. As, many posters think. We didn't get 589 points by accident. But, could we have split them out wider to give them better leverage in pushing those de's past Brady? Our t's don't take that exaggerated stance that a lot of teams use. Where T cheats back off line, supposed to be within 1yd but some guys push that. Then, they take their outside foot and set it up about 1/2 yard behind front foot allowing them to turn their shoulders quicker and square up and take de's coming in from outside with a better base and leverage.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Kick @ss analysis. I feel smarter having read your post, and I think I can say that for zero things I've ever read on the internet.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Great thread. Gomezcat posted a link on the Planet and I was impressed by your work.

    Had to come over and say so.

    Depressing stuff, but it does show exactly what my eyes thought they saw at live speed. Our OL (and DL to a lesser extent) got owned. We lost this game in the trenches where supposedly we had the best two lines in the NFL last season.

    Oh well.
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Great job ... tonight my nightmares will return. :(
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    As BF points out, I posted it on the planet because it was such a good analysis. It is rather painful to read as it exposes the dog's dinner that was the O line's play on Sunday. :(
     
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    Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown

    Great job ! but In the words of Bill Parcells...I just "threw up in my mouth"
     
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