Mike Reiss brings some sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN Radio)

[RyanP421]

I twisted absolutely nothing, as you well know. Again:

You're wrong man. That's really all that has to be said. Just admit it. Reiss clearly implied that Brady and the Patriots have a STRONG business relationship, but he isn't naive to think it's all great TO THE POINT where they are going out to dinner every night and whatnot.

Maybe you need to listen to it again and figure out how to make out context of what's being said. It's pretty clear as day.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

As much as I like Mike Reiss, the guy does like to fence sit when it comes to opinions on topics like this.

Well, he has a reputation to protect and, let's face it, Brady's contract negotiation is the biggest off-field story on his beat since Spy Gate. He can't afford to get it badly wrong at a critical time.

I took away from the clip that he genuinely doesn't think he knows (the only thing he presents as his own "reporting" is at the beginning when he says he heard in "the last day" that, though they started talking last year, they weren't doing much talking right now and that he didn't expect anything to happen in the next week or so). The rest is what he "thinks" is going on or his "opinion" about what is going on, based on what he has heard.

My bottom line is that I'm going to go with Reiss' instincts on this. If he doesn't think things are at a critical point or that Brady is going to hold out, then I'm down with that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Can there ever be a serious thread without Deus Irae hijacking it with his need to be the forum contrarian? This is getting ridiculous...a serious discussion about one of the most important topics regarding the Patriots and Deus Irae has to turn it into a "I am smarter than all of you" event.

I know this will get me an infraction but enough is enough.

Try reading the thread instead of going knee-jerk. I didn't hijack anything.

 

[Deus Irae]

You're wrong man. That's really all that has to be said. Just admit it. Reiss clearly implied that Brady and the Patriots have a STRONG business relationship, but he isn't naive to think it's all great TO THE POINT where they are going out to dinner every night and whatnot.

Maybe you need to listen to it again and figure out how to make out context of what's being said. It's pretty clear as day.

I listened to it multiple times. I put the quotes right here in the thread. I didn't twist anything.

 

[RyanP421]

Given that I addressed all 3 people you noted, either directly or indirectly, perhaps the problem is your inability to grasp the language?



I understand journalism just fine. You're complaining about something that was fine. When you grow up enough to learn that a reporter/journalist doesn't have to write EXACTLY what you want him to, you'll have begun walking the path to grasping how media, and the world in general, works.

By they way, JMT's version would fail your test. After all, from elsewhere in the Silver article:



But that doesn't count, of course, right?

You're crazy man.

What Silver did is CLEARLY a big no, no in journalism. You can take parts of the SAME QOUTE from Kraft and run with a story that Brady will be a happy Patriot for the rest of his career. Not sure how you are having such a hard time comprehending such a simple thing here.

 

[efin98]

As much as I like Mike Reiss, the guy does like to fence sit when it comes to opinions on topics like this.

I am the opposite feeling about this, I applaud him for being on the fence.

He doesn't want his words misconstrued, he doesn't want to report a rumor only to have it turn out to be false, he doesn't want to take a stand only to have to defend it against others trying to knock him down for being wrong- sitting on the fence reporting what little facts there are out there that can be verified by reliable sources is best, not idle speculation.

 

[efin98]

Try reading the thread instead of going knee-jerk. I didn't hijack anything.

Read the entire thread every single post by every single poster from the start to finish. I stand by my rant.

 

[RyanP421]

I listened to it multiple times. I put the quotes right here in the thread. I didn't twist anything.

You're misinterpreting his qoutes. Period.

The fact that you're alone in your interpretation of what Reiss said should tell you something.

 

[RyanP421]

I am the opposite feeling about this, I applaud him for being on the fence.

He doesn't want his words misconstrued, he doesn't want to report a rumor only to have it turn out to be false, he doesn't want to take a stand only to have to defend it against others trying to knock him down for being wrong- sitting on the fence reporting what little facts there are out there that can be verified by reliable sources is best, not idle speculation.

I agree with you, 100%.

 

[Deus Irae]

Read the entire thread every single post by every single poster from the start to finish. I stand by my rant.

Given that my first post was the one getting critiqued, and that post had done nothing but give my take on the interview along with quotes/paraphrases, and given that I later went back and put down the specific quotes when I was responded to, your "rant" claiming I hijacked anything makes no sense at all.

 

[Deus Irae]

You're misinterpreting his qoutes. Period.

The fact that you're alone in your interpretation of what Reiss said should tell you something.

Wait... the fact that several of the site's biggest homers refuse to acknowledge what Reiss said is somehow supposed to tell me something?

It does. It tells me that some homers have gone so far in the tank that even plain English can't get through to them. Here's the transcript, as best I make it:

Greenie: Is everything generally OK between Brady and the Patriots?

Reiss: You know... I ... I wouldn't say that they're getting together and, you know, having dinner and, you know, all that stuff, and that it's great. I mean I think they're in a business relationship, and that's how I'd characterize it, so I'm not naive to say "you know everything's great Greenie" but at the same time I think they both have a common understanding that this is business.

My original summation, which people such as yourself are claiming is incorrect/misleading/twisting/whetever:

Wouldn't say the Brady/Patriots relationship is great. Both sides have an understanding that this is business.

I certainly didn't twist that, and my take on it was absolutely consistent with Reiss' words.

 

[RyanP421]

Wait... the fact that several of the site's biggest homers refuse to acknowledge what Reiss said is somehow supposed to tell me something?

It does. It tells me that some homers have gone so far in the tank that even plain English can't get through to them. Here's the transcript, as best I make it:



My original summation, which people such as yourself are claiming is incorrect/misleading/twisting/whetever:



I certainly didn't twist that, and my take on it was absolutely consistent with Reiss' words.

good for you.

 

[Rob0729]

I am the opposite feeling about this, I applaud him for being on the fence.

He doesn't want his words misconstrued, he doesn't want to report a rumor only to have it turn out to be false, he doesn't want to take a stand only to have to defend it against others trying to knock him down for being wrong- sitting on the fence reporting what little facts there are out there that can be verified by reliable sources is best, not idle speculation.

In today's multiplatformed media world, reporters are asked to play both roles. See when beat writers appear on a show like The Big Show.

I do understand that Reiss has to be careful about not dissimenating an opinion that can be construed as a inside source, but I think he can negotiate that fairly adeptly. He does give some opinions in his mailbag and other writings.

I think Reiss has more insight on subjects like these than most (listening to both WEEI and 98.5 today, I have to say that that isn't setting the bar very high). I'd like to hear what he thinks on a lot of topics rather than straddle the fence.

I can see why some would want him to straddle the fence as others would want him to give an opinion though

 

[Ring 6]

Nice to see nothing has changed around here. Makes me happy I left.

 

[efin98]

In today's multiplatformed media world, reporters are asked to play both roles. See when beat writers appear on a show like The Big Show.

I do understand that Reiss has to be careful about not dissimenating an opinion that can be construed as a inside source, but I think he can negotiate that fairly adeptly. He does give some opinions in his mailbag and other writings.

I think Reiss has more insight on subjects like these than most (listening to both WEEI and 98.5 today, I have to say that that isn't setting the bar very high). I'd like to hear what he thinks on a lot of topics rather than straddle the fence.

I can see why some would want him to straddle the fence as others would want him to give an opinion though

If he wasn't an everyday beat writer he would be doing that more often, the talent, mind, and personality is there...but even so he has a few more years to reach the level of credibility as a beat writer and columnist where he can make a big mistake going out on a limb for a story and not have it bite him in the butt. He is playing it smart, and I'd even venture to say wise.

 

[The Dynasty]

Haven't been on here in awhile. I guess it should't be a surprise to what I am seeing in this thread. This is a pointless debate, one that has gone way off topic. I guess it's what to expect on this thread in the summer (pointless threads and debates). Don't worry guys training camp starts in a week and then we can actually debate things that are happening on the field and have some meaning

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I do understand that Reiss has to be careful about not dissimenating an opinion that can be construed as a inside source, but I think he can negotiate that fairly adeptly. He does give some opinions in his mailbag and other writings.

I think Reiss has more insight on subjects like these than most (listening to both WEEI and 98.5 today, I have to say that that isn't setting the bar very high). I'd like to hear what he thinks on a lot of topics rather than straddle the fence.

I can see why some would want him to straddle the fence as others would want him to give an opinion though

As to Reiss, whom I like and respect, remember that his 'sources' had the Patriots cuting Matt Cassel and keeping Guttierez in 2008 camp.

I don't care about Reiss' opinion. I can read opinions all day long.
What I want and need is someone reliable with access to accurate information about the Pats and their rivals that I am not privy to. Reiss pretty much fills that need.

 

[efin98]

As to Reiss, whom I like and respect, remember that his 'sources' had the Patriots cuting Matt Cassel and keeping Guttierez in 2008 camp.

I don't care about Reiss' opinion. I can read opinions all day long.
What I want and need is someone reliable with access to accurate information about the Pats and their rivals that I am not privy to. Reiss pretty much fills that need.

That example is a big reason why I think he won't offer stretch opinions...

 

[Kontradiction]

It doesn't make it right. In fact, it is wrong and many times journalists get in trouble for doing it. But we are in the era of Fox News and MSNBC where there are obvious political slants in their reporting. But then again, they aren't taken seriously from large portions of the population because of it.

What Silver did was twist Kraft's quote and it is wrong. That said. I am under no illusion that that type of journalism doesn't happen a lot in all forms of journalism. Still when you can find an example of a journalist doing it, there is no reason why to call them out on it. Bad journalism is still bad journalism even if it is accepted by the mainstream.

Where did I ever say it's right? I didn't. What I said was that it is now acceptable to do things like that. Journalism drew me in because of the old journalistic standards of integrity and digging deep into the story to do what's right. That's, by and large, no longer the case. Journalism these days is about selling papers and/or internet hits and slanting various items. This brings me to my original point: what Silver did with Kraft's quote is absolutely "allowed" by today's journalistic standards.

In the interest of not having this spin off into another discussion not fit for this forum, I'll leave it at that.

 

[Kontradiction]

Nice to see nothing has changed around here. Makes me happy I left.

Yeah, it would be so much better here if we just agreed with one another over and over again ad nauseum.