Could Pete Carroll have turned it around in NE?

[captain stone]

I dont think he could have succeeded in NE but I think he may in Seattle.

Guys wont buy into Ra ra from some no name coach, that problem is solved with the work he did at usc and is now a known commodity with a history of winning (even though it was in college) players might buy in. He also is close to alot of the talent out there having scouted and recruited many of them even if they didnt end up at usc.

Thats not a powerhouse divison and a cellar dweller can get to the top rather quickly.

Fair points, esp. the part I bolded. One of the reasons that Chuck Fairbanks & Ron Meyer were successful here was that they each had extensive knowledge of the draft-eligible players for their first 3+ years, and through that knowledge were able to build solid foundations of personnel.

 

[Patjew]

Post of the Day candidate.

The funny thing I don't even remember writing that.

 

[Joker]

remember the time I lent you that thousand bucks and you said you'd pay it back soon?.....tap...tap...tap...

 

[Patjew]

remember the time I lent you that thousand bucks and you said you'd pay it back soon?.....tap...tap...tap...

That does sound vaguely familar.

 

[captain stone]

The funny thing I don't even remember writing that.

I guess PJ has started drinking in the morning, too.

 

[Joker]

sad really...from green tea to green chartreuse 120 proof...oh how the mighty have fallen...

 

[Patjew]

I guess PJ has started drinking in the morning, too.

Hey, my morning is your night. My night is also your night. That means I can drink anytime. Not that I would, of course

 

[Patjew]

sad really...from green tea to green chartreuse 120 proof...oh how the mighty have fallen...

Show me someone who's lived here for 3.5 years and isn't boozing it up to stay sane and I'll show you an insane person.

 

[Joker]

I see an insane person every morning when I shave...

 

[lillestroom]

Anyone like to comment on my viewpoint here, that being that Bledsoe did awfully well to carry the O as he did in the final months of the Carroll-era ???

My arguement is that lesser men would have completely folded rather than getting the .500 mark as we did ???

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Anyone like to comment on my viewpoint here, that being that Bledsoe did awfully well to carry the O as he did in the final months of the Carroll-era ???

My arguement is that lesser men would have completely folded rather than getting the .500 mark as we did ???

Au contraire

As evidenced by Drew's performance in the 2002 playoff against Pitt where, yes having pitched a TD he went on in the 2nd half to toss a no-look blind pass backwards over his head that coulda easily been picked off, and subsequently tossed a pass right into Joey Porter's hands which thankfully he dropped. Both characteristicly bad Bledsoe decisions could have cost us the game, the SB and possibly the future legacy.

 

[captain stone]

Hey, my morning is your night. My night is also your night. That means I can drink anytime. Not that I would, of course

Hey, it's always 5pm somewhere in the world.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Au contraire

As evidenced by Drew's performance in the 2002 playoff against Pitt where, yes having pitched a TD he went on in the 2nd half to toss a no-look blind pass backwards over his head that coulda easily been picked off, and subsequently tossed a pass right into Joey Porter's hands which thankfully he dropped. Both characteristicly bad Bledsoe decisions could have cost us the game, the SB and possibly the future legacy.

I'm glad you chimed in, saved me getting clobbered. It's amazing how many selectively recall those years. The whole entitlement era and the backstairs to BG's office. Even Kraft has said that he believes Pete would have succeeded had it not been for the toxic culture that developed here in the wake of Parcell's departure. BB was put in a whole different position when he was brought in, because he was empowered to clean house and detox the culture.

People also forget that even Parcell's didn't begin to succeed here until BB arrived... and BB didn't begin to succeed here until...well, you know...

 

[captain stone]

Anyone like to comment on my viewpoint here, that being that Bledsoe did awfully well to carry the O as he did in the final months of the Carroll-era ???

My arguement is that lesser men would have completely folded rather than getting the .500 mark as we did ???

Are you referring to the same Bledsoe who did awfully well to carry the offense with his 57%, 19 TD/21 INT, 55 sack, 18.7 ppg (13.5 over the last 8 games) performance?

In his defense, his running game was crap, due partly to the lack of talent at RB (was broken-down Terry Allen really the best Booby Grier could find to replace Robert Edwards - who was already damaged goods out of college - who had to replace the mistake of drafting Sedrick Shaw?) and partly to the mess on the OL (Drew's mosh-diving buddies Lane & Rucci were garbage, Armstrong was near the end, rookie Damian Woody replaced the reliable Dave Wohlabaugh, and ancient Zefross Moss was the RT).

 

[Deus Irae]

Anyone like to comment on my viewpoint here, that being that Bledsoe did awfully well to carry the O as he did in the final months of the Carroll-era ???

My arguement is that lesser men would have completely folded rather than getting the .500 mark as we did ???

Bledsoe did a hell of a job, and was a great QB at one point in his career. However, as happens with so many quarterbacks, he had to adapt to weaknesses on his offense when he was young and learned bad habits as a result. Once they are learned on the NFL level, they are very difficult to unlearn, and opponents are able to exploit the tendencies.

Just ask David "shell shock" Carr.

 

[TrueBeliever]

I see an insane person every morning when I shave...

After Robert Bloch wrote Psycho he found it difficult to shave because he couldn't stand to look at himself in the mirror... lest he see some of Norman Bates looking back at him.

 

[Amnorix]

This morning on Mike & Mike someone said that Tedy Bruschi said that if Pete Carroll had been granted one more year in New England, he could've turned it around.



I like Pete, and I supported him when a lot of other Pats fans were calling for his head. But I thought the general consensus was that by the end of the '99 season, most of the players had given up on him. I especially remember the game at Philadelphia, everyone said the players didn't seem to give a darn.

Plus there's his record - 10-6, 9-7, 8-8... So am I missing something?

You may be. I for one think that Carroll's head coaching efforts were completely undermined by one man -- Bobby Grier.

Between undercutting his authority (the infamous "walk up the back stairs") and his stunningly crappy draft picks, Carroll effectively had no chance.

Obviously, the Patriots did the right thing going to Belichick, but I do not think that the "book has been closed" that Carroll obviously isn't capable of being a very good NFL HC. His one year with the Jets wasn't enough to prove anything, and what he did with the Pats was wrecked by Grier.

I guess time will tell, as he has full control in SEattle.

 

[TrueBeliever]

Between undercutting his authority (the infamous "walk up the back stairs")

I guess time will tell, as he has full control in SEattle.

1) What is this "walk up the back stairs" thing? Never heard of that.

2) I did hear that Pete was insisting on complete control if he ever came back to the NFL, so it could very well be. The real question, though, is whether the players respond to him better than they have in his first two tries.

 

[Ring 6]

Anyone like to comment on my viewpoint here, that being that Bledsoe did awfully well to carry the O as he did in the final months of the Carroll-era ???

My arguement is that lesser men would have completely folded rather than getting the .500 mark as we did ???

I do not agree. We were 2-6 in the second half of that season. And we were awful on offense. Most of it was because teams attacked Bledsoe and the Zampese offense and they could never overcome the pressure.
I'm not sure why we would give Bledsoe props for being th QB of a failed offense.

 

[BelizePats]

Carroll was in over his head at that stage of his coaching career. He is a very different coach now than he was then!
And Booby Grier was, without question, the worst talent evaluator in the history of the NFL.
Bobby Grier nearly killed this franchise.