Semi-OT: Assante Samuel among worst tackling starting CBs in the league

[Ring 6]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

This is BS. Asante could have been our leading tackler and we still werent going to keep him. He was as good as gone.

Yes, BECAUSE the money he wanted (and got) exceeded his value to us.
How can you say we wouldn't have signed him if he could tackle? Would we have signed him if he covered like Deion Sanders? If he held onto the SB clinching Int?
Based upon the facts, he was not extneded, franchised, and not resigned. If the facts were different (ie his skills) you have no way of knowing what the decision was.
Your argument was like saying Bledsoe would have been traded and Brady kept if we went 2-14 that year and Brady sucked, because Bledsoe was as good as gone. You can't apply what happened as the same result if the dynamics were different.

 

[Triumph]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

This was just brought up on rotoworld and i figure that Samuel is a former Patriot, I thought that you guys would get a kick out of it!

Its a sensitive issue thats starts a lot of crying around here.

Some still have A Samuel lunch boxes and his poster over their bunk the beds.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

This is apparently the article that spawned the rotoworld blurb. Some interesting observations including from Mike Mayock. The thinking is the Eagles will draft at least one (Mayock says you need a physical press corner to play opposite Samuel) and quite possibly two corners in the first two rounds. And as was the case when they drafted Shepard and Brown several years ago with two starters already on the roster, the Eagles FA Patriot corners could be replaced by more affordable talent after this season that is better suited to play press coverage behind the late Jimmy Johnson's blitz happy schemes, which Asante apparently eschews because it also often leaves him on as island...like he's some kind of $10M shutdown corner...

Samuel, for all his deeds - three straight Pro Bowls, 29 interceptions in the last four seasons - has become a liability. Signed to a $59 million deal two years ago, Samuel may be the worst tackling starting cornerback in the league. It wasn't as apparent when he was with the Patriots, but the Eagles' blitz-happy defensive scheme often left Samuel without support.

"I didn't get signed here because I was a great tackler," Samuel said in October. "Everybody saw my film."

If teams hadn't noticed before, they did after that comment. Samuel's distaste for press coverage didn't help matters. By the end of the season, Denver - and especially Dallas - exploited him with quick bubble screens and hitches.

And even though the interceptions are nice, especially for a defense lacking in playmakers, the Eagles' pass defense allowed 27 touchdowns through the air last season after allowing a total of just 35 in the previous two seasons.

"I've watched a lot of tape of Asante over the last few years, and what he does best is he's an instinctive ball hawk and he makes plays, and there's value to that," Mayock said. "The flip side, however, is he's not physical, he doesn't like press coverage, and he is a sporadic tackler, at best.

Eagles likely to draft a cornerback | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/18/2010

 

[Zeus]

Issues regarding Ellis Hobbs cited in the Inquirer article as well:

Hobbs, though, couldn't supplant Brown after the Eagles traded for him during last year's draft. And when the former New England Patriot did get into the rotation, he was inconsistent. In November, he suffered a season-ending neck injury, one that required surgery to correct a herniated disk.

"Hobbs may have started in New England, but there was a reason, more than his contract griping, that led to his leaving," one NFL scout said. "He suffers from lapses and isn't the greatest tackler, and you can't have that opposite Asante [Samuel]."​

As for Samuel, he's good but not good enough to merit the money he's making now. He's comfortable doing what he likes (ball-hawking). By his own admission, he doesn't have much interest in tackling. Coupled with the fact that he doesn't seem to really want to play the schemes the coaches ask him to play, it's a little more understandable (at leat to me) why NE was so reluctant to pay mega-bucks for Asante.

 

[okterrific]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

BB has said that if you cant tackle then you have no chance on playing for the Patriots. So it was a good move. Would you spend top dollar on a starting CB that can't tackle? I know i wouldn't!

Yeah, like Deion Sanders. I wouldn't have touched that guy.

 

[Nonentity]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

I'm actually ok with corners who don't tackle, as long as they still push players out of bounds when they have the opportunity.

What I don't like is corners who regularly give up big plays because they're constantly jumping routes to try to get interceptions. A corner's job is to cover the receiver, interceptions are simply a bonus.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

samuel stinks

pierre woods is great

 

[JMarr]

samuel stinks

pierre woods is great

LOL. They're paying Samuel what, 10M a year, and he refuses to tackle.

We're paying Woods like a million and he's a solid STer and quality backup LB who knows this team and the system like the back of his hand.
BB obviously likes what he brings experience-wise and to the lockerroom.

 

[BostonPatriot]

LOL. They're paying Samuel what, 10M a year, and he refuses to tackle.

We're paying Woods like a million and he's a solid STer and quality backup LB who knows this team and the system like the back of his hand.
BB obviously likes what he brings experience-wise and to the lockerroom.

Something tells me BB could sign Ryan Leaf and you'd think it was a great move.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

Its a sensitive issue thats starts a lot of crying around here.

Some still have A Samuel lunch boxes and his poster over their bunk the beds.

True. And guys like you will continue to sleep in your Bill Belichick "jammies" and wake up to your Bill Belichick bobblehead on your Patriots night stand, when it's time for t-ball.

 

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I'm only interested if they have 'do your job' stitched into the flap on the backside.

 

[Triumph]

Something tells me BB could sign Ryan Leaf and you'd think it was a great move.

You might be a Homer if when, Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson were cut loose you cried for weeks.

Get the Kleenex out, Wilhite is next.

 

[Triumph]

"I didn't get signed here because I was a great tackler," Samuel said in October. "Everybody saw my film."

Bwwwaaahhhh

Just priceless.

 

[Nonentity]

"I didn't get signed here because I was a great tackler," Samuel said in October. "Everybody saw my film."

Bwwwaaahhhh

Just priceless.

I've seen planks of wood with more intelligence than your posting.


Samuel is a cover corner who gambles. This gets him picks and it also leads to busted plays. Everyone knows this, it wasn't even an open secret because that would have suggested that it was actually a secret. Asante is right - watch the film, then decide how much money you want to hand over.

As I said earlier, I have no problem with corners who don't tackle. What I do have a problem with is gamblers - I don't like them and never will.

 

[Triumph]

I've seen planks of wood with more intelligence than your posting.


Samuel is a cover corner who gambles. This gets him picks and it also leads to busted plays. Everyone knows this, it wasn't even an open secret because that would have suggested that it was actually a secret. Asante is right - watch the film, then decide how much money you want to hand over.

As I said earlier, I have no problem with corners who don't tackle. What I do have a problem with is gamblers - I don't like them and never will.

My dog has more common sense than you. So, Im not surprised the premise of my post went over your head.

The point was Samuels "Well, you bought it" attitude. No where does he say that he will try to improve his game and be a better tackler. Im sure the Eagles were thrilled to hear that after paying him so much money.

Its not that he cant tackle. He wont tackle.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

LOL. They're paying Samuel what, 10M a year, and he refuses to tackle.

We're paying Woods like a million and he's a solid STer and quality backup LB who knows this team and the system like the back of his hand.
BB obviously likes what he brings experience-wise and to the lockerroom.

woods is not a quality backup........and the pats special teams is nothing to brag about......

BB knows all.......he sure as sh*t looked the part when he dug up derrick burgess.....

its OK........samuel was more than the pats wanted to spend, but the fact remains that the secondary of the pats is constituted of players who got torn to shreds by chad henne and could not get off the field in the second half of most games last year

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

My dog has more common sense than you.

That dog wouldn't be Triumph the Insult Dog, would it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph,_the_Insult_Comic_Dog

 

[PatsChamp88]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

Yes he lead the league in missed tackles for corners but seriously this isn't really thread worthy.

 

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[BradyFTW!]

Re: Semi-OT: Assante Samuel Among worst tackling Starting CB in the League

BB has said that if you cant tackle then you have no chance on playing for the Patriots. So it was a good move. Would you spend top dollar on a starting CB that can't tackle? I know i wouldn't!

Which totally explains why the Pats tried to sign him to a long-term deal.