Belichick will lead the defense and Moss is at Foxboro

[BelichickFan]

Comisioner Belichick

Great - then he can give us our stolen #1 pick back. Rex Ryan, though, is more likely to show up on The Biggest Loser.

 

[jmt57]

I hope one day there is a Belichick trophy/award in the league.

Don't hold your breath, that's never going to happen. Fans of the 31 other teams despise Belichick at levels that make me wonder if the NFL provides enough security for his safety. That would be a public relations nightmare for the NFL, even if it was to happen ten or twenty years from now.

 

[Aßßynormal]

Am I allowed to be this optimistic?

YES. ................ hopefully

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Read Reiss's latest: Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

What surprises me?

Belichick is 58??!!!

Dang, I thought he was 52-55.

That's a bummer.

I see him going out with Brady.

Someone else has already cited Marv Levy (72) and Tom Landry and Weeb Ewbank retired at 66 and 64 respectively and Joe Gibbs was 67 when he stopped coaching this time; on the other hand, Chuck Noll retired at 59 and Bill Walsh at 57. So, if Tommy is able to play another five or six seasons, you might be right as that would make BB 63 or 64...talk about a transition!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I would love to see Belichick as GM after he's done coaching.

In principle, I agree with you. But, in reality, wouldn't GM Bill want complete control of football operations including personnel and recruiting? How would he attract a "Belichick v.2.0" if he kept control of things that great coaches want to control or at least have a major say about? Wouldn't this end up another Parcells/Belichick situation where the "Belichick" leaves?

(And, anticipating that you will cite the Pioli/Belichick relationship in response, I'd argue that Piolichick was a unique, almost one in a million relationship that took a while to build and that would be very hard to duplicate.)

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If BB retires from the field, he will probably go to the front office in another capacity.. Kraft will probably take very well care of him.

I don't know. I'm sure that the Krafts will treat Belichick very well, whether in his paycheck as HC or other ways. But, guys like Belichick have so great a presence and have been so strong an influence on their organizations, that it can be hard for them to stick around without impeding the growth and change that any organization has to go through when the big man steps aside.

I've never met Belichick and don't claim to know him at all, but, based on The Education of a Coach and just things I read and hear about him, I could easily see him going to a Liberal Arts College and teaching and working with a range of athletic programs; he'll always be able to make all the money he wants by giving motivational speeches at $25,000 a pop and being a talking head on weekends as he would be the biggest "get" in decades for a Network.

 

[eagle eye]

I like it that Moss is here early, I think he wants a new contract and is willing to work hard this year to make it happen.

I was discussing the dreaded subject of BB and how long he will go on which is a horrifying subject for me. I was thinkiing though that he will probably move upstairs when he does decide to hang up the hoodie. And when that happens the guy I'd like to see coming here is Urban Meyer.

After watching BB for so many years now and his independent outside the box thinking is what makes him so great. Meyer is another of those independent thinkers.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

the Krafts are still stung by the lesson they learned when parcells walked out on them and they left the team to Carroll and Grier.....given that BB was the first guy out the door after parcells, it took a pretty substantial dismissal of the Krafts own ego to do what they did to bring BB in.....

the krafts have also hedged their bets somewhat with the development of the area around the stadium to bring people in if a day come when the team stinks, but as fans of the sport, they quickly learned to leave the football decisions to football guys and just deal with the business end of the operation to make sure there is plenty of money to fund the football operation.

 

[upstater1]

the Krafts are still stung by the lesson they learned when parcells walked out on them and they left the team to Carroll and Grier.....given that BB was the first guy out the door after parcells, it took a pretty substantial dismissal of the Krafts own ego to do what they did to bring BB in.....

the krafts have also hedged their bets somewhat with the development of the area around the stadium to bring people in if a day come when the team stinks, but as fans of the sport, they quickly learned to leave the football decisions to football guys and just deal with the business end of the operation to make sure there is plenty of money to fund the football operation.

That would be an interesting story were it not for the fact that after Parcells bolted from the Patriots, the Pats made overtures toward Belichick long before they had even contemplated Pete Carroll. It was pretty evident that they were impressed with how Belichick transformed a 5-11 defense to an AFC champion defense.

I clearly remember the article about reporters seeing Belichick and Kraft sitting inside Belichick's car in the parking lot for over two hours.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

That would be an interesting story were it not for the fact that after Parcells bolted from the Patriots, the Pats made overtures toward Belichick long before they had even contemplated Pete Carroll. It was pretty evident that they were impressed with how Belichick transformed a 5-11 defense to an AFC champion defense.

I clearly remember the article about reporters seeing Belichick and Kraft sitting inside Belichick's car in the parking lot for over two hours.

Yah, but I seem to recall Kraft himself saying that despite the admiration he had for BB at the time, he (Kraft) was not ready to hand the reigns over to BB right then and he regretted that decision. Also, BB's career connection to Parcells may have wrongly influenced Kraft's thinking at the juncture.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Yah, but I seem to recall Kraft himself saying that despite the admiration he had for BB at the time, he (Kraft) was not ready to hand the reigns over to BB right then and he regretted that decision. Also, BB's career connection to Parcells may have wrongly influenced Kraft's thinking at the juncture.

That's consistent with how I remember the "atmospherics" at the time of "The Parcells' Betrayal," so I think your interpretation is probably right about how the close Parcells/Belichcik connection may have made the Krafts' wary (remember it wasn't just Bob who was reportedly involved in the Parcells affair). But, I guess the truth is that we'll never know what was really going on at that time when the doors were closed and only the principals were in the room.

 

[102 Pat]

I think it could work out well for BB leading the defence. Remember, the last few years while the offence was on the field, BB would be talking to the defensive players.

 

[Yehoodi]

Yah, but I seem to recall Kraft himself saying that despite the admiration he had for BB at the time, he (Kraft) was not ready to hand the reigns over to BB right then and he regretted that decision. Also, BB's career connection to Parcells may have wrongly influenced Kraft's thinking at the juncture.

of coarse there is one silver lining if you will by the pats not hiring BB back in '97. What if BB had some success with bledsoe and we won more playoff games and perhaps one SB, would he of made the change to TB in '01? perhaps not, and if not we wouldn't of had all the success with tB over the last decade and just the DB-BB success of the late 90's. Of coarse I would of love to have had both :singing:

 

[blackglass3]

the Krafts are still stung by the lesson they learned when parcells walked out on them and they left the team to Carroll and Grier.....given that BB was the first guy out the door after parcells, it took a pretty substantial dismissal of the Krafts own ego to do what they did to bring BB in.....

the krafts have also hedged their bets somewhat with the development of the area around the stadium to bring people in if a day come when the team stinks, but as fans of the sport, they quickly learned to leave the football decisions to football guys and just deal with the business end of the operation to make sure there is plenty of money to fund the football operation.

Awesomely ridiculous spin on the situation!

 

[upstater1]

Yah, but I seem to recall Kraft himself saying that despite the admiration he had for BB at the time, he (Kraft) was not ready to hand the reigns over to BB right then and he regretted that decision. Also, BB's career connection to Parcells may have wrongly influenced Kraft's thinking at the juncture.

I thought it would have been a no go even if Kraft had offered him. Belichick could not easily bolt Parcells at that point. Especially to take him on head-to-head. He owed a debt to Parcells. And Parcells should have been better at letting Belichick go to the Patriots a few years later.

 

[eagle eye]

Awesomely ridiculous spin on the situation!

Welcome to my Ignore List.

You do know that people don't usually make any comment about their ignore list. Its kind of mannerly to just put somebody on it if you want to and shut up about it.

 

[blackglass3]

You do know that people don't usually make any comment about their ignore list. Its kind of mannerly to just put somebody on it if you want to and shut up about it.

Point tatken, post edited. But, then by that same logic, wouldn't it also be mannerly to not point out someone else doing it?

Sorry, but the constant stream of BS that guy posts annoys me to no end.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

if you are running a team with a effective payroll of 100 MM+, why not just pay a good defensive coordinator (read: romeo) a healthy salary and do what you do best: head coach?

So yea, i was on vacation for all the coordinator posts, but you have to admit if Belichick is running up and down the side line telling McGowan to get in there for Sanders or whatever, how the heck can he communicate with Ernie Adams and all the guys in the booth that are advising him on how to manage a game?

Because Bill is doing "his" job - coaching.

In this case he's developing 'two for the price of one;'
--- his defense - which is very, very young and likely to be getting younger if everybody's draft projections are any indication,
--- and his defensive coaches - three of whom are considered graduate prospects to grow into Defensive Coordinators in the NFL.

-- Bill's D-line starters are all proven veterans. His challenge is Mayo, Guyton, Chung, Butler, and Meriweather are all still young and all on the cusp of hitting possible greatness heading into their primes. Factor in McKenzie and Crable are almost rookies, Pryor, Brace, Wilhite, Wheatly, Ninkovich, Arrington, Davis, Grady, Lockett, Richard, Williams, and whomever NE drafts (in what's likely to be another 12 player draft class) and there's a slew of 4th year and younger guys who can benefit from the touch of the master.
-- Pepper Johnson was kicked around as a Defensive Coordinator, first with the NYG and then with NE once Pees decided to move on.
-- Matt Patricia was also kicked around as a DC.
-- Corwin Brown has one year's experience as a DC for Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss.
-- All three are now at the stage where they could use some of the same guidance Bill gave Josh McDaniels to prepare him for OC.
-- Bill named Mangini as his DC without giving him a year of apprenticeship the way he did Josh, leaving aside any personal issues, I think he learned from a personnel development mistake where it was rumored he had to step in and provide defensive guidance midseason, this way he can shelter his DC candidate as much as he did Josh and Billy O'Brien. If Pepper Johnson is calling the defense, Bill can step in if there is a need without it being a big deal (he's DC for himself after all, Pepper is an apprentice who is D-line coach), much less fuss.

I trained guys and gals for search & rescue operations, from entry level up through soloing team leader and on into multi-unit/agency coordination...the folks being rescued could care less if the guy leading the team is a rookie or a 20 year veteran, like us with Bill they might worry more if they new while the rescue was ongoing, but after the fact they are just glad to be alive and safe. So shall it be. :rocker:

As to his "workload," he has hot & cold running administrative assistants, a veteran GM as a special assistant in the front office, Nick Caserio who is looking good in personnel, and Bill had his "hands on" with offense last season so he can turn it over to a "senior" apprentice who can be trusted to run things the way Bill likes, with the two oldest and most experienced coaches on his staff on his offensive team, Dante Scarnecchia is still Asst. Head Coach, and Ernie Adams is running around in the background working on NE's next evil genius surprise.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

interesting.......who is he coaching? the players or the coaches? and who is actually going to do all the work to prepare for each game, then who is going to work on adjustments at half time.....you know like the adjustments that never happened last year?

simply put, you can only do so much before the quality of everything suffers.......

I question the prudence of running a team this way

as for the recscue analogy, your chances of survival go down if the crew lacks the experience and if the best guy in the crew is too busy telling his underlings how a defibrilator works while you are choking on a hot dog

Because Bill is doing "his" job - coaching.

In this case he's developing 'two for the price of one;'
--- his defense - which is very, very young and likely to be getting younger if everybody's draft projections are any indication,
--- and his defensive coaches - three of whom are considered graduate prospects to grow into Defensive Coordinators in the NFL.

-- Bill's D-line starters are all proven veterans. His challenge is Mayo, Guyton, Chung, Butler, and Meriweather are all still young and all on the cusp of hitting possible greatness heading into their primes. Factor in McKenzie and Crable are almost rookies, Pryor, Brace, Wilhite, Wheatly, Ninkovich, Arrington, Davis, Grady, Lockett, Richard, Williams, and whomever NE drafts (in what's likely to be another 12 player draft class) and there's a slew of 4th year and younger guys who can benefit from the touch of the master.
-- Pepper Johnson was kicked around as a Defensive Coordinator, first with the NYG and then with NE once Pees decided to move on.
-- Matt Patricia was also kicked around as a DC.
-- Corwin Brown has one year's experience as a DC for Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss.
-- All three are now at the stage where they could use some of the same guidance Bill gave Josh McDaniels to prepare him for OC.
-- Bill named Mangini as his DC without giving him a year of apprenticeship the way he did Josh, leaving aside any personal issues, I think he learned from a personnel development mistake where it was rumored he had to step in and provide defensive guidance midseason, this way he can shelter his DC candidate as much as he did Josh and Billy O'Brien. If Pepper Johnson is calling the defense, Bill can step in if there is a need without it being a big deal (he's DC for himself after all, Pepper is an apprentice who is D-line coach), much less fuss.

I trained guys and gals for search & rescue operations, from entry level up through soloing team leader and on into multi-unit/agency coordination...the folks being rescued could care less if the guy leading the team is a rookie or a 20 year veteran, like us with Bill they might worry more if they new while the rescue was ongoing, but after the fact they are just glad to be alive and safe. So shall it be. :rocker:

As to his "workload," he has hot & cold running administrative assistants, a veteran GM as a special assistant in the front office, Nick Caserio who is looking good in personnel, and Bill had his "hands on" with offense last season so he can turn it over to a "senior" apprentice who can be trusted to run things the way Bill likes, with the two oldest and most experienced coaches on his staff on his offensive team, Dante Scarnecchia is still Asst. Head Coach, and Ernie Adams is running around in the background working on NE's next evil genius surprise.

 

[Patspsycho]

as for the recscue analogy, your chances of survival go down if the crew lacks the experience and if the best guy in the crew is too busy telling his underlings how a defibrilator works while you are choking on a hot dog

If he's telling his underlings to use a defibrillator on someone choking on a hotdog then he should be fired on the spot.