Peter King: Seymour upset and friend says may not report to Oakland

[JD10367]

Shalize Manza Young reported this AM that he would not report unless he was guaranteed that the Raiders would not franchise him....

In other words, he won't report unless they promise not to franchise him next year. Which means he has no interest in staying past this year. Which means Oakland just paid a 1st-rounder for a one-year rental during which they have no hope of winning more than four games.

I applaud you, Mr. Davis. Well done, once again.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

i think if he doesn't report, the trade is off, but it depends on the wording

if you guys get the pick and he decides to just retire anyway, i am going to laugh so hard

damn pats are just too cunning

Sey likes money waaaaaaay too much for that. Unless he gets a VERY lucrative offer to do something other than play in the NFL, Sey won't be retiring.

As great as a player as Sey is, I don't think he was a leader. I could be wrong, but his body language and the way he speaks give me the impression that he is selfish and arrogant with a "Holier than though" outlook.

Sey, a great player, but not a very good Patriot.

This is purely speculation, but I think Hobbs was referring to Sey when speaking about "players faking injuries".

 

[zoostation]

This is Lawyer Milloy Redux.

.........only this time, we got something in return.

I a way we did last time too. Number 37 and two more rings.

 

[Buchanty]

I am intrigued by the contrast between last week's Bruschi retirement and this week's trade of Big Sey. To me this is a huge locker room message. Commit, learn, execute 24x7 - and think team and only team.

Bruschi is revered and exalted, with an emotional and heart felt retirement Presser. He is the type of player that will rise and forever shine in Foxborough. He is the type of player that the Patriots want all players to emulate.

On the other hand Big Sey for all his skills and achievements was more about self and certainly did not think team in '05 and was probably not thinking team for 2010 with early negotiations on his extension. He wants his Snyder money and the only other person willing to pay ridiculous sums is mad Al. He has got what he was seeking. He played hard and will be missed, but he never stood out as one willing to take less for the team.

I will be sad to see him go and have many good memories (especially his lumbering TD from the Bledsoe's fumble recovery), but I am also happy that he is not irreplacable, and very happy that Jarvis finally gets the chance to start.

 

[shmessy]

We did last time too. Number 37 and two more rings.

Not for the move in question we didn't.

 

[patsox23]

We'll see if we end up happy that Jarvis finally gets to start. In small doses, being put in position to do what he does well, he can be very effective. As a full-time, all-season starter, there may be diminishing returns.

 

[farn]

Sey likes money waaaaaaay too much for that. Unless he gets a VERY lucrative offer to do something other than play in the NFL, Sey won't be retiring.

As great as a player as Sey is, I don't think he was a leader. I could be wrong, but his body language and the way he speaks give me the impression that he is selfish and arrogant with a "Holier than though" outlook.

Sey, a great player, but not a very good Patriot.

This is purely speculation, but I think Hobbs was referring to Sey when speaking about "players faking injuries".

Disagree. They all like cash. By all accounts, Sey was one of the main leaders - and I have never heard anything to make me think otherwise. I still think they got good value and I hope like crazy that it doesn't backfire by him playing hardball. THAT would be difficult to mend. "Hey, welcome back Sey. We traded you for a promise in 2 years, but yeah - welcome..."

 

[jcdavey]

Shalize Manza Young reported this AM that he would not report unless he was guaranteed that the Raiders would not franchise him....

knowing al davis, if it's only about money for seymour, then al will pay him way too much of it, after the 09 season

still, if he retires or just bails on oakland after 09, it's going to be one of the funniest things ever

i don't really think he can help that team at all, that's where talent goes to die

 

[ctpatsfan77]

3M isn't much for him and that's his salary...so if he doesn't show up what happens to the trade?

Maybe he retires, what happens then?

If he retires without showing up, who knows.

If he retires after showing up, the Raiders look like idiots of the highest order.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Disagree. They all like cash. By all accounts, Sey was one of the main leaders - and I have never heard anything to make me think otherwise. I still think they got good value and I hope like crazy that it doesn't backfire by him playing hardball. THAT would be difficult to mend. "Hey, welcome back Sey. We traded you for a promise in 2 years, but yeah - welcome..."

Many will disagree, and y'all may be right. I haven't seen too many accounts from Patriots players mentioning Sey as a leader. I try to read, watch or listen to almost anything Patriots, and names like Bruschi, Vrabes, Harrison, Thomas, Seau and AD come up as leaders much more often than Seymour's ever was.

Also, have you ever head anything said about a Pats veteran where it is said that a player is NOT be a leaderl? The locker room doesn't talk like that... you have to listen more to who is listed as leaders, not those who are not. Sey's comments in 2005 didn't paint a pretty picture either, but the Pats REALLY needed him back then.

Sure they all like cash, but how many vets did the Pats sign in recent years who were actually offered more elsewhere?

I could be wrong, and I'm not even sure if time will tell.

 

[BelichickFan]

Of all the Patriots, Seymour is one of the most frequent saying "it's a business". He has no reason to be upset, he's fine calling it a business when it means going for more money. Bruschi would never have ended up in this situation. I'm not blaming Seymour, I can understand wanting the money, but when you're a mercenary, you are what you are.

 

[upstater1]

Well, his agent is Eugene Parker. Same as Crabtree's agent.

And the Patriots had a good relationship with Parker, as he's one of the guys that regularly gets his players to camp.

The Crabtree story is peculiar because there really is a huge dropoff between what the 49ers are offering and what the pick before him got.

I know Crabtree made some braindead comments in the media, and shot himself in the foot. That being said, something is off there.

 

[upstater1]

Actually, he could sit out this year (or at least the first ten weeks) and not have it count against him. I don't think anyone will hold it against him if he doesn't want to report to the Raiders. Someone will pay him.

Ahh, but the Raiders can franchise him at DT.

The smart thing for Richard to do is to talk with the Raiders about a big contract now. Chances are that he'll be cut anyway with a huge signing bonus.

If it were me, and I couldn't play with one of the top echelon teams (no one at the top is going to sign Seymour at that price!!) then I'd definitely sign with the Raiders, because they pay well, and they show no compunction when it comes to cutting guys that just got huge signing bonuses.

I'd definitely sign with Oakland.

 

[RayClay]

For New England, it simply reinforces that Bill Belichick will keep you as long as you're worth keeping, and when he's done with you, or when you can be of no more value to him, you're gone.

King is such a hack. I suppose the rest of the league has decided to keep players who aren't worth it and aren't worth their contracts, in the salary cap era.

You could easily make an argument that we kept great linebackers Bruschi and Vrabel a year too long and McGinest right on the margin.

I really know of no team that keeps players with big contracts that are past their prime in the NFL, yet we keep hearing this drivel, as if Belichick is kicking little "Tiny Tims" out into the ****ensian cold.

It's one year of a guy who wasn't going to agree to a reasonable contract, for a first. That's how you stay in contention.

 

[RayClay]

Make me 6'6, 310 with Seymour's talent and I would, only I wouldn't be a lazy, whining, turd like him.

Sounds like the description fits except for the 6'6' 310 pounds with talent.

 

[farn]

I could be wrong, and I'm not even sure if time will tell.

If ever BB retires (perish the thought) and writes a tell-all (never in a million) it would be WILD.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

This is Lawyer Milloy Redux.

.........only this time, we got something in return.

That's the only sensible thing I have read yet.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

And the Patriots had a good relationship with Parker, as he's one of the guys that regularly gets his players to camp.

The Crabtree story is peculiar because there really is a huge dropoff between what the 49ers are offering and what the pick before him got.

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I thought it was rather that he wanted the same money that Oakland gave DHB at #7 and that the 49ers were offering something between what Raji got at #9 (5-years, $28.5M; $17.7M guaranteed)and what Maybin got at #11(5-years, $25M max ????

Numbers from macsfootballblog.com

 

[IcyPatriot]

In an NFL twist of fate ... the guy many on this site wanted drafted gets to play with the guy who has proved to be the superior player.

Gerard Warren and Richard Seymour ... picks #3 and #6 in the 2001 NFL draft ... together again.

 

[Pats726]

King is stirring it all up..OF COURSE..quite the hack!! If Seymour feels it's a business..then he should KNOW that when one makes large demands of money that business wise, it causes things to happen...What did he expect?? That they were going to do bothing and let him walk for zilch?? It's a business..you feel that way..you have NOTHING to complain about.