Man has to panhandle to pay back Tom Brady

[DefenseRules]

The fact that the Herald starts of by writing "the QB, by the way, will earn some $30 million this year in salary and endorsements", finishes the column with "Brady, wife Gisele Bundchen, and son Jack were spotted at Disneyland in Anaheim the other day. Meanwhile, Dennis was out yesterday asking passersby for spare change", and runs the story without giving Brady or a member of the realty trust a chance to comment - well, that pretty much sums up the Herald's motives. At what point does Kraft and the Patriots organization revoke their media credentials?

BEST Post in this entire thread. Their credentials should have been revoked after Tomase's "SOURCE" was exposed as a FRAUD.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Good God, what in this sentence from the Herald article did you not understand?

"But the items he lifted, which he said he thought were being tossed out, were $8,000 flower boxes THAT A DELIVERYMAN LEFT FOR the New England Patriots [team stats] quarterback."

I read the article. That was theft.

I was discussing the situation of dumpster driving at company that ships cheese. Please follow the discussion.

 

[loosebearing]

I had a car stolen and damaged by a neighborhood kid. He was offered restitution instead of jail time - if I went along with the idea. I only got $500.00 for my peach condition 1967 volvo in 1980. (People used to stop me to ask about the car). I took the $500 to be nice to the kid and because it was uninsured for the damage. I ended up being friendly with the kid for a couple of years till he ended up in jail for drugs.

Has anyone asked if the restitution was a plea negotiation instead of life in jail for this three time loser?

"Mr Brady - would you give this guy a break and take restitution instead of putting this poor 61 year old SOB in jail for the rest of his life?"

???????????

 

[Sivy]

I had a car stolen and damaged by a neighborhood kid. He was offered restitution instead of jail time - if I went along with the idea. I only got $500.00 for my peach condition 1967 volvo in 1980. (People used to stop me to ask about the car). I took the $500 to be nice to the kid and because it was uninsured for the damage. I ended up being friendly with the kid for a couple of years till he ended up in jail for drugs.

Has anyone asked if the restitution was a plea negotiation instead of life in jail for this three time loser?

"Mr Brady - would you give this guy a break and take restitution instead of putting this poor 61 year old SOB in jail for the rest of his life?"

???????????

Who the heck came up with the 500 dollar value for that car?

 

[Patjew]

Without getting all this down to a point were it's too technical for people, it's really a curtilage issue under California v. Greenwood. However, if you leave your garbage on the edge of your property and expect the garbageman to pick it up at that point, you're not going to be able to win any property or privacy argument in court.

I picture the trash cans being in the back of the house and then they'd be hauled down to the curb later for pick up. I'm not sure if that's what happened but I thought the "trash" was taken from behind Brady's apt.

 

[TrueBeliever]

Has anyone asked if the restitution was a plea negotiation instead of life in jail for this three time loser?

"Mr Brady - would you give this guy a break and take restitution instead of putting this poor 61 year old SOB in jail for the rest of his life?"

???????????

That's a good question.

 

[efin98]

I picture the trash cans being in the back of the house and then they'd be hauled down to the curb later for pick up. I'm not sure if that's what happened but I thought the "trash" was taken from behind Brady's apt.

Behind the apartment building or not they were on the property enough to warrant the owners putting cameras there for security...

 

[efin98]

Has anyone asked if the restitution was a plea negotiation instead of life in jail for this three time loser?

"Mr Brady - would you give this guy a break and take restitution instead of putting this poor 61 year old SOB in jail for the rest of his life?"

???????????

It's a plea bargain...:

Nonetheless, the case worked its way through the system, and, according to Paiva, they offered him a plea deal. According to the Suffolk District Attorney’s Office, Dennis admitted he was guilty of larceny, he agreed to pay $4,000 restitution, and the case was continued without a finding for a year. If Paiva got into no more trouble, the charges would be dismissed.

Dennis said he took the deal because he didn’t want to take his chances at trial, what with the bank-robbery record and all. . . .

 

[Patjew]

Behind the apartment building or not they were on the property enough to warrant the owners putting cameras there for security...

What I mean is that taking something from behind a house or apt, regardless of whether or not it looks like trash, is stealing in my book.

 

[efin98]

What I mean is that taking something from behind a house or apt, regardless of whether or not it looks like trash, is stealing in my book.

Supreme Court ruling didn't seem to make a difference between on-property and on-curb trash, might still be able to claim it's up for grabs even on property...but that doesn't take care of obvious trespassing and breaking and entering laws that might have been broken just being behind the building on the property.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It wasn't trash, though. It was something was left there by the deliveryman. Can I start stealing packages that get delivered to my neighbor's door, now, claiming that they're trash? Hell, maybe I'll go take his grill, too. It's in his yard, so it must be trash, and therefore it's mine.

 

[efin98]

It wasn't trash, though. It was something was left there by the deliveryman. Can I start stealing packages that get delivered to my neighbor's door, now, claiming that they're trash? Hell, maybe I'll go take his grill, too. It's in his yard, so it must be trash, and therefore it's mine.

We've already acknowledged that, we are talking about a related matter to the story beside that point...

 

[Deus Irae]

It wasn't trash, though. It was something was left there by the deliveryman. Can I start stealing packages that get delivered to my neighbor's door, now, claiming that they're trash? Hell, maybe I'll go take his grill, too. It's in his yard, so it must be trash, and therefore it's mine.

If the grill is standing right by the trash, you actually have an argument. Once you put your trash out 'in public', it's open season.

For everyone's future peace of mind, buy a shredder for all your personal papers (letters, credit card offers, payments, etc...) and put your trash out just before the pickup is made. If you don't do that, it's really on you.

In this case, the question really is about just how close to the trash the flower boxes were. It doesn't matter in the end because the man took a plea but, given the defense, that's where the case for theft would have hinged:

"I saw these two stainless steel metal containers behind a garage next to the trash," Paiva told the newspaper. "Scrap metal was really high at the time so I grabbed them and put them in my truck."

Frankly, unless the video evidence showed the boxes not actually near the trash, he should have fought the charges.

 

[loosebearing]

Who the heck came up with the 500 dollar value for that car?

That was the value put on the car by the court. The blue book for a 13 year old Volvo was $500 for totaled - which it was (which is also why I didn't have it insured). The court even got the kid a job to pay off the money - $100 a month. So, the court worked the deal and got the kid a job (which he didn't have) and to me $500 was better than nothing. Plus it was better than sending him to jail (he had just turned 18 - but he was in trouble before). Plus for a couple of years we were friendly and he "put out" the word to other kids that me and my wife were OK. (There were a lot of break-ins in the "suburban" neighborhood by neighborhood kids.)

This 61 year old SOB stole $8000.00 brand new planters, "profited" $450.00 for selling them as scrap (too stupid to put them on EBAY for $4000.00) and then can't work to pay for himself to live because of his heart condition? His heart was fine enough to lug away all that scrap metal. HE IS A CON ARTIST and that idiot businessman from New Hampshire just got CONNED. Because the judge had a bed and breakfast place all ready for the poor sole. Because if it came down to owing it all at once I'm sure he had a lenient monthly arrangement by the court originally that he TOTALLY IGNORED.

The arrangement was between this idiot and the court - NOT between him and Brady. Restitution is a Court punishment.

And for all those rich haters that think how can someone have the nerve to spend $8000.00 on the planters - you are all idiots. The capitalistic system is a trickle down system. If the rich "spend" for the ridiculous then the money pays for other people working in the system. The key thing being that they have to spend and not store their money - and the rest of us have to work to get the trickle down. Brady spent the money - this SOB hasn't worked his whole life. In my Darwin concept of the world we as a society should have stopped helping him long ago and let him die.

 

[swheeler23]

I like how everyone assumes that what this guy says happened is really the way it happened.

 

[Frezo]

I like how everyone assumes that what this guy says happened is really the way it happened.

There you go. How many of us have ever had a delivery/shipping service leave a package at the bottom of our driveway? It's never happened to me.

 

[Patjew]

Supreme Court ruling didn't seem to make a difference between on-property and on-curb trash, might still be able to claim it's up for grabs even on property...but that doesn't take care of obvious trespassing and breaking and entering laws that might have been broken just being behind the building on the property.

Wow, that seems like a pretty strange ruling.

 

[loosebearing]

The guy was found GUILTY in a court of law.

"Dennis Paiva was ordered by a court to pay $4,000 after selling Brady's expensive flower boxes for scrap metal, ..."

The next words printed in the article are what is confusing people

"... mistakenly believing they'd been put behind Brady's Boston condominium as trash in May 2008."

Were is the author of the article getting his facts. The court heard this idiots plea of it being a mistake - and ruled he was a LIER. The judge then order restitution as punishment for his being found GUILTY.

The continuation of the sentence in the article

Dennis Paiva was ordered by a court to pay $4,000 after selling Brady's expensive flower boxes for scrap metal, mistakenly believing they'd been put behind Brady's Boston condominium as trash in May 2008.

Is blatant editorialism on the part of the author is to get hatred on the Patriots and Brady by all the pions and it is working.

So go out young america and be like Dennis Pavia and not like the evil Tom Brady.

Dennis Paiva the symbol of the injustice in America.

"Greenwald said it seemed as if Paiva, who says he can't work because of recent surgery, got "the rawest of raw deals."

Dennis Paiva - the new Rosa Parks

 

[efin98]

Wow, that seems like a pretty strange ruling.

It was mostly about search warrants and search and seizure by the police but left the details of where the trash has to be up for grabs...straightforward in that if it's in the trash it's no longer yours, anyone can take it- but doesn't include stuff that is adjacent to the trash or not actually in the trash or stuff that's laying around the property as Brady's planters were.

 

[Joker]

I'd put my ex-wife out at the end of the driveway but not even the garbageman would haul her "trash".

Some guys have all the luck