Bledsoe or Cassel

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Bledsoe or Cassel????

Really? Such as who? If you're going to make accusations like that why don't you name names and let us destroy those accusations? I think you'll find that few if any people that chose 2008 Cassel over 2000 Bledose fit the bill.

Folkin A! B, C and D too!

Gotta luv the way these newbies slander us constant Pats fans.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

As defined by the OP (this decade), I guess it's Matt. Drew was 5--11 in 00 and then basically played second fiddle to TB after his injury in 01, except for the AFCCG. But, even that's a close call. Drew did help win a Championship by coming off the bench like he did against the Steelers in that game. Matt had a great season off the bench, but never got a chance to show what he could do in January. Still, he had a great year over the entire season, so I'd give it to him by a nose.

Of the BB era? No doubt it's Drew. He has career stats that would put him in a HOF discussion if he'd been able to win a Super Bowl.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

As defined by the OP (this decade), I guess it's Matt. Drew was 5--11 in 00 and then basically played second fiddle to TB after his injury in 01, except for the AFCCG. But, even that's a close call. Drew did help win a Championship by coming off the bench like he did against the Steelers in that game. Matt had a great season off the bench, but never got a chance to show what he could do in January. Still, he had a great year over the entire season, so I'd give it to him by a nose.

Of the BB era? No doubt it's Drew. He has career stats that would put him in a HOF discussion if he'd been able to win a Super Bowl.

Not really. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: CHFF classic: The last word on Bledsoe

This was another piece done at the time Drew retired. A rather dispassionate summation of a 14 season NFL career. He had his moments, but they were fewer and farther between than some here choose to remember.


Drew Colors : Patriots Daily

 

[RDS11]

Not really. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: CHFF classic: The last word on Bledsoe

This was another piece done at the time Drew retired. A rather dispassionate summation of a 14 season NFL career. He had his moments, but they were fewer and farther between than some here choose to remember.


Drew Colors : Patriots Daily

CHFF opinion is mostly based on efficiency numbers, for which Bledsoe does not rank very high. CHFF has stated many times that QB such as Fouts and Moon shouldn't be in the Hall Of Fame. That's debatable.

Bledsoe does not have a career QB rating much below Elway's. One thing to consider is that the 3 teams he played for were not very good when he got there.That won't help your efficiency numbers. But each time the team got dramatically better. Pats went from 2-14 in 1992 to 5-11 in Bledsoe rookie year (Bledsoe was 4-8 as the starter) to 10-6 in 1994. Bills went from 3-13 to 8-8 (and for those who say that he lost his job to JP Losman, well obviously the Bills did make a huge mistake...they went from 9-7 his Drew's last year in Buffalo to 5-11 in 2005). Cowboys went from 6-10 to 9-7 with Blessoe.

Bledsoe could take a bad team and make it good. But he couldn't take a good team and make it Championship contender. But then again, very few do. Brady, Elway, Otto Graham and Bart Starr, that may be it. For those who might want to add Montana to the list, it should be noted that he didn't take Kansas City any further than Krieg, Deberg and Bono (and age is no factor, since both Kried and Deberg has the same age as Montana) just before and after his time with the team.

Now back to Cassel...for now, we only know what Cassel can do with a great team. We'll see this year what he can do with a bad team. Will he be able to constantly add 3 to 4 wins a year like Bledsoe did ?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Not really. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: CHFF classic: The last word on Bledsoe

This was another piece done at the time Drew retired. A rather dispassionate summation of a 14 season NFL career. He had his moments, but they were fewer and farther between than some here choose to remember.


Drew Colors : Patriots Daily

Not sure that we disagree. I said his numbers would "put him in the discussion" for the HOF if he had a ring, not get him there. CHFF concludes that he's "almost great." That's pretty much how I see it.

The CHFF article rehearses the stats. I'd only add that his career completion pctg of 57.2% is right at the median for thge 17 SB era HOF QB's (57.1%); his total passing yards (44,611) are 11,000 above the median for those players of 33,124. His total passing TD's of 251 were also measureably above the median of 236. His career pass rating of 77.1 was near but off the median of 80.9.

As CHFF concludes, Drew was "almost great." That doesn't put him in the HOF, but it sure doesn't open him fairly to some of the things that are said about him out here.

I stand by my statement.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Oh NO, they're going to start arguing about whether or not Drew is HOF material.

runaway!!!

 

[Patjew]

Oh NO, they're going to start arguing about whether or not Drew is HOF material.

runaway!!!

This thread is just getting started!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This thread is just getting started!

Exactly. A thread that's a great antidote to the boring off seson that some posters have rated at one star. Losahs!

 

[MoneyFX]

Bledsoe. Remove Moss (heck, Cassel cant throw a deep bomb to him) and Welker from Cassel and what do ya get? Remember Bledsoe beat the #1 AFC team, Steelers and their overrated defense in Pittsburgh!!!!!!!!

 

[MoneyFX]

Cassel was good, but Tom Brady could get the same stats without Moss or Welker (03, 04, 05, 06).

 

[Ryan]

I don't necessarily think Drew is a HOF caliber QB, but even being compared to those great QBs is pretty impressive. He stacks up well with them.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure that we disagree. I said his numbers would "put him in the discussion" for the HOF if he had a ring, not get him there. CHFF concludes that he's "almost great." That's pretty much how I see it.

The CHFF article rehearses the stats. I'd only add that his career completion pctg of 57.2% is right at the median for thge 17 SB era HOF QB's (57.1%); his total passing yards (44,611) are 11,000 above the median for those players of 33,124. His total passing TD's of 251 were also measureably above the median of 236. His career pass rating of 77.1 was near but off the median of 80.9.

As CHFF concludes, Drew was "almost great." That doesn't put him in the HOF, but it sure doesn't open him fairly to some of the things that are said about him out here.

I stand by my statement.

That is NOT their CONCLUSION. This is: (From the conclusion section)

The best thing you can say about Bledsoe is that he's thrown the ball a lot. Certainly, he deserves credit for staying healthy long enough to play 14 NFL seasons and to throw the ball nearly 7,000 times in his career. But that's all he is: a guy who threw the ball often, but not particularly well.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure that we disagree. I said his numbers would "put him in the discussion" for the HOF if he had a ring, not get him there. CHFF concludes that he's "almost great." That's pretty much how I see it.

The CHFF article rehearses the stats. I'd only add that his career completion pctg of 57.2% is right at the median for thge 17 SB era HOF QB's (57.1%); his total passing yards (44,611) are 11,000 above the median for those players of 33,124. His total passing TD's of 251 were also measureably above the median of 236. His career pass rating of 77.1 was near but off the median of 80.9.

As CHFF concludes, Drew was "almost great." That doesn't put him in the HOF, but it sure doesn't open him fairly to some of the things that are said about him out here.

I stand by my statement.

Where are you getting those #s as median?

 

[Double G]

Re: Bledsoe or Cassel????

Folkin A! B, C and D too!

Gotta luv the way these newbies slander us constant Pats fans.

Do me a favor and put down that broad brush you're painting with.

I'm far from a newbie as it was I who made the original point; been a fan since 1970, had season tickets in my family for over 20 years, been to two AFCCG's and two Super Bowls.

I'm far from a newbie, so get you facts strait next time before throwing me under the bus.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Where are you getting those #s as median?

My own database. It's accurate. I have a lot of databases like this that I've built over the years.

As for the "almost great," CHFF uses the expression. I'd disagree with them in their final characterization of his career as you quote it, but that's the great thing about the NFL, people who feel they know something about the league and its history can respectfully disagree (at least, I hope we can do so respectfully).

And, for the record, Drew Bledsoe does not belong in the HOF. I only said that if he had a ring his stats would have put him in the discussion. I still think that's true.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Bledsoe or Cassel????

Do me a favor and put down that broad brush you're painting with.

I'm far from a newbie as it was I who made the original point; been a fan since 1970, had season tickets in my family for over 20 years, been to two AFCCG's and two Super Bowls.

I'm far from a newbie, so get you facts strait next time before throwing me under the bus.

I guess the irony of you in return being unjustly (but deliberately on my part) accused of being a newbie is lost on you who had done just that to me, a fan since the 60s, you newbie.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

My own database. It's accurate. I have a lot of databases like this that I've built over the years.

As for the "almost great," CHFF uses the expression. I'd disagree with them in their final characterization of his career as you quote it, but that's the great thing about the NFL, people who feel they know something about the league and its history can respectfully disagree (at least, I hope we can do so respectfully).

And, for the record, Drew Bledsoe does not belong in the HOF. I only said that if he had a ring his stats would have put him in the discussion. I still think that's true.

Your database may be accurate. The question would be is it relevant? CHFF went with the so called live ball era for a reason. It's the era in which Drew was asked to perform.

We compared Bledsoe’s career numbers to those of all seven Live Ball Era (1978 to present) quarterbacks who have earned a place of honor in the Hall of Fame: Troy Aikman, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Warren Moon and Steve Young. We also included in the comparison the three active quarterbacks who have all but assured themselves a spot in the Hall of Fame already: Tom Brady, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

That gave us a solid group of 11 quarterbacks to include in our comparison. The careers of each player in our study began in 1978 or later, what we call the Live Ball Era. It was in 1978 that the NFL set new rules to open up offense, and the passing game in particular. Passing stats have shot up dramatically since. The league-wide passer rating in 1977, for example, was 60.7. In 2005, it was 80.1.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Bledsoe. Remove Moss (heck, Cassel cant throw a deep bomb to him)

I guess your eyes were to filled with tears from Brady going down to see the 48 yarder that Cassel threw to Moss on his first completion of the year.

You missed a great pass, and a good game. Patriots won by the way.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

This thread is just getting started!

By training camp, i bet this thread is bigger then the Adam Seward thread

 

[Ring 6]

My own database. It's accurate. I have a lot of databases like this that I've built over the years.

As for the "almost great," CHFF uses the expression. I'd disagree with them in their final characterization of his career as you quote it, but that's the great thing about the NFL, people who feel they know something about the league and its history can respectfully disagree (at least, I hope we can do so respectfully).

And, for the record, Drew Bledsoe does not belong in the HOF. I only said that if he had a ring his stats would have put him in the discussion. I still think that's true.

Whether you agree or disagree their conclusion was quite opposite of what you said.
Who are the 17 in your database?