OT: Stallworth to enter guilty plea for DUI

[Fencer]

What's worse about Plaxico's case is -- his gun discharge was accidental too.

On the other hand -- I don't know that I disagree with strong laws against carrying loaded guns around ...

 

[Patjew]

And you got into the car with them -- why?

Because the driver didn't seem particularly inebriated and what the hell else am I supposed to do in the middle of Russia where I won't even go out without a bodyguard in some places? I'm not saying it was smart, but my job puts me in some awkard situations sometimes.

 

[Deus Irae]

I originally meant to say "missing or intentionally disregarding", but I decided to not be that snarky. My bad.

Still, it's obvious you've thought this through to your satisfaction. So we should let it drop.

If I misunderstood your intent, my apologies.

 

[glm]

Donte Stallworth broke the law by getting behind the wheel drunk. He is a murderer and he should be doing serious time for it.

Now isn't that going a little too far?

 

[BradyFTW!]

What's worse about Plaxico's case is -- his gun discharge was accidental too.

On the other hand -- I don't know that I disagree with strong laws against carrying loaded guns around ...

as opposed to... intentionally shooting himself in the leg?

 

[Tunescribe]

If someone is pulled over for reckless driving, bust him for reckless driving. If someone kills someone because he's driving like a maniac, arrest him for that.

The alcohol is separate from the underlying charge. The argument about DUI is that it increases the danger of an accident. Well, so does listening to the radio, talking on the phone or to a passenger, having a woman driver over the age of 35, having a male driver under the age of 20, having a teenage driver who's got passengers, and there are other factors which raise the danger level as well.

We laugh at college men and women who tell us the horror stories about their beer goggles because we appreciate that drinking can impair decision making. Somehow, though, we decide to criminalize the behavior of a driver who's decision to drive was made while being impaired, by definition/legislation. To make it worse, we've watched as they've lowered the 'impaired' threshold so that you're more than capable of going to jail for drunk driving when you weren't even drunk, so it's now "Driving while impaired a little, just not as much as if you were on a cell phone". Just like the 'crime' of public intoxication, it's a moronic law to have.

You seem to be missing the point that driving under the influence of alcohol increases the likelihood of serious accidents. Take away DUI laws and you'll have more people driving drunk, without question, and more people killed as a result. The threat of serious penalty might not keep all drunks off the roadways, but there should be no doubt it has saved many innocent lives.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

You seem to be missing the point that driving under the influence of alcohol increases the likelihood of serious accidents. Take away DUI laws and you'll have more people driving drunk, without question, and more people killed as a result. The threat of serious penalty might not keep all drunks off the roadways, but there should be no doubt it has saved many innocent lives.

The thing i would like to see changed the most, would be how they handle repeat offenders. People make mistakes, but why is someone guy still driving around town after 3, or more DUIs? They're the ones who need to be in jail.

 

[2000army]

What's worse about Plaxico's case is -- his gun discharge was accidental too.

On the other hand -- I don't know that I disagree with strong laws against carrying loaded guns around ...

I don't know you and you don't know me but since you injected your feelings I will interject mine ...

Without the 2nd .... there is no 1st .... please remember that.

NYC Laws violate the 2nd amendment.

The highest crime rates are in the cities with gun bans .... go figure. prey on the unarmed .. what a concept.


how many people have been accidently shot by someone else carrying a loaded gun?

We can go back and forth about gun control and quite honestly I don't want to argue the point on a Patriots forum and I am sure you probably dont want to either. But I had to throw in my .02.

 

[Pujo]

I'm not missing the point of DUI laws. I understand the point of them quite well, actually, as someone who's an attorney and has prosecuted people for DUI. Oddly enough, people can disagree with laws that make no sense on the grounds that they make no sense. Of course, I disagree with them for other reasons, too, but that's one perfectly valid reason, among several.

You've been hit by three drunk drivers, and you're an attorney, and you happen to be a prosecutor? How convenient for this conversation.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Michael Vick spent 21 months in jail and 2 months under house arrest. Godell said he won't even begin the process of considering Vick's reinstatement into the NFL until after the 2 months of house arrest have concluded.

I hope he remains consistant and waits until Stallworths house arrest has ended before considering reinstatement.

 

[Fencer]

Because the driver didn't seem particularly inebriated and what the hell else am I supposed to do in the middle of Russia where I won't even go out without a bodyguard in some places? I'm not saying it was smart, but my job puts me in some awkard situations sometimes.

I thought the answer would be something like that ...

I'm glad I don't have any major temptations to travel on business to dangerous countries. I wouldn't be real thrilled travelling Aeroflot either.

 

[Clonamery]

Because the driver didn't seem particularly inebriated and what the hell else am I supposed to do in the middle of Russia where I won't even go out without a bodyguard in some places? I'm not saying it was smart, but my job puts me in some awkard situations sometimes.

Hmmm...sounds like a movie script. Our people should talk. Are you the "real" Jason Bourne?

 

[Patjew]

I thought the answer would be something like that ...

I'm glad I don't have any major temptations to travel on business to dangerous countries. I wouldn't be real thrilled travelling Aeroflot either.

That I managed to avoid. But I'm not so comfortable on my weekly flights on China Southern Air or Shanghai Air, either.

 

[Patjew]

Hmmm...sounds like a movie script. Our people should talk. Are you the "real" Jason Bourne?

No, But I am the real David Dork.

 

[Clonamery]

No, But I am the real David Dork.

Perhaps a renderman David Dork animated production....I believe my butler's sister's lover's girlfriend knows a security guard there.

 

[Deus Irae]

You've been hit by three drunk drivers, and you're an attorney, and you happen to be a prosecutor? How convenient for this conversation.

I'm not a prosecutor now. I interned in a state attorney's office. Shockingly, some conversations will come up that happen to fit the profile of one or more of the people engaged in that conversation. As I've had more than one job, and worked in more than one field, during the course of my life, it's possible that I might have a "convenient" situation arise again in the future.

 

[Pujo]

I'm not a prosecutor now. I interned in a state attorney's office. Shockingly, some conversations will come up that happen to fit the profile of one or more of the people engaged in that conversation. As I've had more than one job, and worked in more than one field, during the course of my life, it's possible that I might have a "convenient" situation arise again in the future.

Fair enough. I've never seen you claim to be a football coach, and that would be the most convenient story at a place like this, so I apologize for the implication I made.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

My guess is that most here would say that Vick is a 'criminal,' and that Stallworth 'made a mistake;' and that a criminal should be in prison, while a person guilty of a mistake should get a break.

This kind of thinking has me freaked out. Vick will be booed and protested wherever he ends up playing. Stallworth will be greeted with quiet acceptance and, this is the part that really gets me, eventually Stallworth will be appreciated as someone who got his life back on the straight and narrow.

Talk about being the product of our society - we sure are. A brazen rich guy is obliquely involved in small time betting and dog torture, lies about it and we gladly give him the slammer for nearly two years and a rep as a vile human being. Meanwhile, many are inclined to give a drunk who ran down another human being the benefit of the doubt since it was possible the dead guy was guilty of jaywalking and the drunk dude has no prior record. (did anyone mention Vick wasn't a felon previously either?)

Think what these two episodes tell young people - don't torture dogs or fund betting because you'll do hard time; but if you run down a human being because you decided to drive drunk, in the daylight, on a busy road, while other responsible people were going to work, you will catch a break as long as you haven't been too much of a screw up before.

Next time another drunk kills on the road don't wonder why. Hey, at least all the dogs are safe.

 

[WhoaDirty]

My guess is that most here would say that Vick is a 'criminal,' and that Stallworth 'made a mistake;' and that a criminal should be in prison, while a person guilty of a mistake should get a break.

This kind of thinking has me freaked out. Vick will be booed and protested wherever he ends up playing. Stallworth will be greeted with quiet acceptance and, this is the part that really gets me, eventually Stallworth will be appreciated as someone who got his life back on the straight and narrow.

Talk about being the product of our society - we sure are. A brazen rich guy is obliquely involved in small time betting and dog torture, lies about it and we gladly give him the slammer for nearly two years and a rep as a vile human being. Meanwhile, many are inclined to give a drunk who ran down another human being the benefit of the doubt since it was possible the dead guy was guilty of jaywalking and the drunk dude has no prior record. (did anyone mention Vick wasn't a felon previously either?)

Think what these two episodes tell young people - don't torture dogs or fund betting because you'll do hard time; but if you run down a human being because you decided to drive drunk, in the daylight, on a busy road, while other responsible people were going to work, you will catch a break as long as you haven't been too much of a screw up before.

Next time another drunk kills on the road don't wonder why. Hey, at least all the dogs are safe.

Very much my thoughts on the matter. Although I am additionally disturbed about what seems to be a cavalier attitude towards drinking and driving in North America. Kinda seems like being drunk is an excuse for breaking the law. I know the law doesn't agree, but to me there is no difference between running someone down while driving drunk, and beating someone to death in a bar fight.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

My guess is that most here would say that Vick is a 'criminal,' and that Stallworth 'made a mistake;' and that a criminal should be in prison, while a person guilty of a mistake should get a break.

This kind of thinking has me freaked out. Vick will be booed and protested wherever he ends up playing. Stallworth will be greeted with quiet acceptance and, this is the part that really gets me, eventually Stallworth will be appreciated as someone who got his life back on the straight and narrow.

Talk about being the product of our society - we sure are. A brazen rich guy is obliquely involved in small time betting and dog torture, lies about it and we gladly give him the slammer for nearly two years and a rep as a vile human being. Meanwhile, many are inclined to give a drunk who ran down another human being the benefit of the doubt since it was possible the dead guy was guilty of jaywalking and the drunk dude has no prior record. (did anyone mention Vick wasn't a felon previously either?)

Think what these two episodes tell young people - don't torture dogs or fund betting because you'll do hard time; but if you run down a human being because you decided to drive drunk, in the daylight, on a busy road, while other responsible people were going to work, you will catch a break as long as you haven't been too much of a screw up before.

Next time another drunk kills on the road don't wonder why. Hey, at least all the dogs are safe.

Your post wasn't bad but it is fatally flawed by the completely erroneous whitewash outlined in bold. (e.g. Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?)

Vick ran the enterprise and was directly and personally involved in every single felony he was convicted for. Clear sociopath behaviour.