Wilfork wants Seymour money

[WhiskeyBreath]

YouTube - Do it! Do it! Do it!

 

[italian pat patriot]

i hope the Pats and Wilfork will be able to find a solution

i consider him a key player for us: no doubt

let's see how it will ends; hopefully in the right way to keep him with us

 

[Nestapats]

I don't get why the patriots don't pay him. The guy is the most valuable person on our defense. We all knew he would be searching this type of money. I was just scared he would ask close to haynesworth money. I think we should try to get it down a bit, but pull the trigger, please!!! We need our big fella up front.

 

[Pats726]

We haven't won one with Wilfork either

You mean the team didn't win the Super Bowl in 04??? In fact, that year, Wilfork's first was when they also had another tough NT Traylor.

 

[Fencer]

It's all doable. I doubt it takes more than $4 million in restructuring plus what's in Wilfork's contract already to cover the cap hit, and Brady and Moss can be restructured for $2 million each in cap savings.

And it sounds as if Wilfork is offering enough of a hometown discount the team should take it.

 

[Pats726]

I think they should get it done.it is still early. He wants Seymour..but 6-8 mill somewhere in there should be fine.. Not sure it will..but?? I don't think it is outrageous...and as far as I KNOW they drafted only two nose tackles...Richard is more a DE, DT than a NT...and Wilfork himself wanted teh team to draft Raji...so they did the next best thing...Brace.

 

[Miguel]

Ok, given the current cap situation, draw up that contract for us, please..... let's see the numbers.

Holding mgteich to a higher standard than you hold yourself to

 

[Miguel]

5 year contract (including this year, although an extension starting next year works also)
$25M bonus
$2.2M 2009 salary guaranteed, increasing by 30% per year
total value $44.04 or $8.08M per year
2009 cap = $7.2M or an increase of $5M
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There are a dozen ways of coming up with $5M of cap money, given the the current available is $6M. The simplest elements are restructures for Brady and Light and an extension for Faulk. If you need a cut, Green is the man. We still don't know if his bonus will be paid if he is traded, but even if not, his salary is over $2M.
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The question is how much it will take. An additional $1M or $2M of cap money would increase the total to $9M or $10M a year, which is doable.
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Miguel has posted this many times. If the patriots want to come up with cap money, they can do it. The real question is how much they are willing to pay Wilfork.

Personally, I think that the Patriots would pay Wilfork a signing bonus in 2009 and an option bonus in 2010 thereby minimizing the 2009 cap hit.

 

[mgteich]

An option bonus is fine as long as there is an injury clause. Wilfork should be requiring guaranteed monies.

Personally, I think that the Patriots would pay Wilfork a signing bonus in 2009 and an option bonus in 2010 thereby minimizing the 2009 cap hit.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I don't think the franchise route will work with wilfork..........1st he's the a guy with his own set of principles and someone you don't want souring on the franchise because once he does, he will not play here.......and he's exactly the kind of guy who will refuse to play for the franchise tag on principle alone.....especially given it would mean 6M........on top of that, I would not be suprised to see pioli or mangini or even mcdaniel come around willing to give up a couple of first rounders for him......

also, he knows the score as well as anyone else as to what happens when it gets to franchise time, so don't be surprised if he holds out now.......it worked for deion branch, and you know other dogs will come sniffing around with their 'tampering' and very possibly create a similar situation where the pats will have to trade him just like branch

 

[mgteich]

Holding out worked for Branch and Seymour. I also think it worked for Samuel who got the agreement of no tag.

I don't think the franchise route will work with wilfork..........1st he's the a guy with his own set of principles and someone you don't want souring on the franchise because once he does, he will not play here.......and he's exactly the kind of guy who will refuse to play for the franchise tag on principle alone.....especially given it would mean 6M........on top of that, I would not be suprised to see pioli or mangini or even mcdaniel come around willing to give up a couple of first rounders for him......

also, he knows the score as well as anyone else as to what happens when it gets to franchise time, so don't be surprised if he holds out now.......it worked for deion branch, and you know other dogs will come sniffing around with their 'tampering' and very possibly create a similar situation where the pats will have to trade him just like branch

 

[Fencer]

Personally, I think that the Patriots would pay Wilfork a signing bonus in 2009 and an option bonus in 2010 thereby minimizing the 2009 cap hit.

Good point. A new contract could be close to cap-neutral the first year. He IS under contract this year, so $10 million or less guaranteed against injury THIS year, with the rest in the option, would be a great deal for him.

 

[APatrioticVirginian]

"Brace" yourselves for a big trade, bye bye fat one. Its all about the laundry folks. He can and has been replaced.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

In today's market, definately worth it. But still if that's his initial demand, the # probably will come down at some point. I'm still confident he stays.

 

[Garbanza]

Tonight on Comcast Sportsnet,, Michael Felger in discussing the Patriots OTA's with Tom Curran of NBC Sports claimed that Wilfork wants Seymour money. Wilfork, who is a regular on the show, communicated to Gary Tanguay, another anchor on the show, that he wanted $32 million over 4 years including $24 million in guaranteed money, according to Felger. With a DT franchise number of $6.0 million per, and Wilfork only being a two down player, Vince and the Pats are at an impasse.

Might explain why BB drafted (3) NT's this year.

so cut Seymour and give Wilfork the money.Quite frankly, Wilfork is more important to the line then Seymour is.

 

[Synovia]

Saying Wilfork is not a factor against the pass is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum.

Yeah. I second that. It shows a basic lack of understanding of the 3-4. Wilfork is an elite NT BECAUSE of how effective he is against the pass. Finding a guy who can clog the middle against the run is easy. Finding a guy who can do that AND collapse the middle of the pocket isnt.


I've been saying this a while, but Brace isn't there to replace Wilfork. Hes there to play first down, so Wilfork can play 2nd and 3rd.


4 for $32 is much cheaper than I thought Wilfork would be. I was expecting $10+ a year.

 

[Spiral]

If the Patriots don't meet Vince's number, Cleveland, Denver, Dallas, Miami, NYJ, or KC would do that contract in a second.

 

[Rob0729]

If Wilfork wants $8 million a year, that is fine. Except that Seymour got over $10 million a year and until Haynesworth's new deal was the highest paid defensive player in the league on a per year basis (it was made to look lower since part of the agreement was that he fulfilled the final year of his rookie deal for immediate bonus money). In fact, Seymour is making more per year than Brady when you factor it in being a 3 year deal rather than a 4 year deal as it is portrayed.

I think Wilfork is a very valuable part of this defense, but I don't know if he is worth $10.5 million a year especially if the cap increases slow down in the next CBA. That is the biggest worry is how the cap will increase if there is a new CBA. I do think the Pats should pay Wilfork, but there is a limit where you gotta consider going elsewhere.

The Pats do have the franchise tag in their back pocket. Even with Haynesworth's deal, I think the tender number will be lower than $10 million for him, but I could be wrong. This offseason the franchise tender for DTs was $6 million. If it is, the Pats do have the leverage since Wilfork going into a season only with $6-8 million guaranteed for one year next year is a dangerous proposition considering he is looking at around $20 million guaranteed even in a modest deal. With the history of NTs breaking down later in their career, that is a risky proposition for Wilfork.

 

[RayClay]

I think they should get it done.it is still early. He wants Seymour..but 6-8 mill somewhere in there should be fine.. Not sure it will..but?? I don't think it is outrageous...and as far as I KNOW they drafted only two nose tackles...Richard is more a DE, DT than a NT...and Wilfork himself wanted teh team to draft Raji...so they did the next best thing...Brace.

They drafted zero nose tackles, that I'm aware of, unless BC sat Raji down so the second best tackle could play in a defense i don't believe they use.

Brace definitely projects to nose tackle (which only means he is less versatile than others). How many college 4-3 nose tackles have projected to nose tackles in the pros and ended up in 4-3's, or as busts? Absolutely the hardest position on this defense to fill.

Just because a 4-3 tackle has a fat ass doesn't mean he will turn into a starting NT.

 

[Jimke]

The Pats are sticklers for having players complete their rookie contracts.

The Pats would gladly pay Wilfork 4 years for 32 million provided the four

years commenced in 2010. What they will not do is tear up the last

year of a rookie contract like Deon Branch's agent demanded. Seattle

did exactly that after they traded for Branch.