Wildo7

I love how you bring up a reclassification of a satellite v. planet as if that means science is somehow invalid. You wouldn't even be aware of Pluto if it weren't for science. What does this have to do with anything?

wistahpatsfan

Any modest boat could have carried all the species of animals known to the primatives who "wrote" the Bible. That ****hole region had maybe 5 or 6 animal species ...tops! It says so in the Bible: In the manger, there was a cow, donkey, a sheep and some chickens. That's what - FOUR? I rest my case. The Ark was real!

godef

Ark ark ark!

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PatsFanInVa

It clearly says in one of the gospels that the **** crowed three times. And if it's anything like mine, a modest boat wouldn't cut it.

QED

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reflexblue

[quote=PatsFanInVa;819546]Hey dum dums!

Who you callin a dum dum . Ok I admit it. But I never said anything about stuffing a few million species into a floating bath tub,thats God's area.
Interestingly enough the History Channel has a serious called "The Universe" and they were taking about flood myths. The Great Flood myth is the only consistent myth to be told in different civilizations about 159 variations of the myth exist. Most dating to around the same time covering an area from Africa, throughout Mesopotamia, India,and Australia. The explanation, a meteorite app. three kilometers in length struck the Indian ocean. After using the known areas that the myths originated from,it was calculated the meteorite hit about 900 miles to the South,South East of Madagascar. A 15+ mile wide crater was found on the ocean floor there further supporting the premise There is now an expedition working on retreving core samples from that area.

How do we know the Bible meant only species from the Known world surrounding the middle east,the known world of Noah?

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PatsFanInVa

Or, it was the eruption of Thera, now Santorini. Or, not. Love that show though, although I missed that one.

My thought is that everybody having a flood myth dating from the same time is one thing, everybody having a flood myth in general is another.

And "everybody has a flood myth" could be a pretty loose description; if a people has a story that the crops were all drowned out one year because the river rose too high, that's a flood myth. It's even a disasterous one. And if I'm trying to sell "everybody has a flood myth," I definitely count it.

Regardless, I know that stories of floods are pretty widespread, so open-minded on that one.

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Wildo7

There's lots of myths that are widespread. Pretty much every country in the world has it's Yeti/Loch Ness/Sasquatch story for example. Personally, I think that some natural phenomena occurred and in the age where global communication didn't exist, these stories were amplified by word of mouth throughout generations. How would Katrina or the Tsunami come across if it occurred on the other side of the world and was relayed to you through a million people? Purple monkey dishwasher?

Lifer

wow, what a leap! I didnt say it meant Science is invalid. Its said to make the point that science is not perfect. I agree with those who say that it doesnt have to be one or the other. Science and the Creator can co-exist.

PatsFanInVa

From time to time people discuss one or another phenomenon as central to the flood stories across cultures. Creation myths are widespread, because everybody wants to know how they got here. That's pan-human, and intrinsically so. Monster myths, ditto: things that go bump in the night. Things bigger than you that will eat you. A universal flood myth -- were the "universals" traced to an identical time -- would be a pretty convincing clue that there was, in fact, a cataclysm involving inundation with water.

Now, the notion that "everybody has a flood myth" but their origin stories are separated by thousands of years, is something else entirely. It's especially unconvincing if "everyone" is everyone living in a coastal region, say, the Mediterranean. But our flood myth comes from Iraq rather than the Med. So: date the Mediterranean flood stories, do the same for the Gilgamesh epic, and you get an idea of whether you can at least say that a region of Mesopotamia got flooded at the same time as the Mediterranean. While that would not prove a global deluge, it would at least give us an idea of whether the flood in question is regional.

It might take some googling, but I'd be very interested as to whether groups from Central Asia, or the American Great Plains, had a world-flood myth as well. That would be particularly interesting, since one can so easily say "everyone in the world," when in fact one is talking about "every coastal culture in one region."

Myths get bigger like the game "telephone," no argument there. But you can in fact study whether they seem indigenous to a culture, or borrowed, like the Noah story (that one just comes with so many "tells" that it makes a particularly vivid example.) What do you expect, though? Jews came from Iraq before Egypt or Israel. Or Abraham did at least.

Right, enough for now.

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reflexblue

On more thing on the asteroid, the team from JPL working in conjunction with others calculated that an asteroid traveling at 35,000 mph hitting the open ocean 13,000 feet deep would have created a series of tsunamis, the first almost a thousand feet in hight. Now that would be a killer to say the least.

Anyways check this out,its a synopsis of "The Universe" version. Heres a sample.

In an article in the NYTimes on Nov 14, scientist Dallas Abbott has identified the site of a large asteroid impact crater (the Burckle Crater) off of the island of Madagascar that struck the earth around 2800 BC. This asteroid landed in the seabed, and sent a 600-900 foot high wall of water - a megatsunami - around the Indian Ocean, impacting land as far away as Australia, and crashing onto the coast of Africa, up the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, and quite possibly into the Mediterranean Sea as well.



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