Your realistic "dream" draft

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midwestpatsfan

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When you go to bed at night and think about the draft and who you want and what you want to see happen, what comes to mind? Lets hear your dream draft.
 

mcsully

In the Starting Line-Up
I'll bite....



Definitely versatility at the LB position.. We walk away with English and Cushing.. And Chung or Moore in the safety position.. And of course drop a last 2nd rounder for a 1st next year..
 

JoeShmoe

2nd Team Getting Their First Start
An OT and an OG

One of the 3 safeties

One of the day one LB'ers

An SILB in the 3rd

A punter:p
 

bakes781

In the Starting Line-Up
I'm gonna borrow mayoclinic's trade scenario:

from NYG#29 - Darius Butler, CB, UConn
#34 - Larry English, OLB, Northern Illinois
from NYG#45 - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
#47 - Eric Wood, G, Louisville
#89 - Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
#97 - Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona
#124 - Scott McKillop, ILB, Pitt

It changes slightly every week, but this is what I dream for as of today. :D
 

Warren94

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Round 1: Clay Matthews
Round2: Chip Vaughn, Brian Robiskie and Max Unger
Round 3: Joe Burnett,
 

mayoclinic

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That's easy:

- trade #23 and 58 to the Giants for #29 and 45
- 23: Connor Barwin, OLB
- 34: William Beatty, RT
- trade #47 and #89 to Seattle for #37
- 37: Louis Delmas, S (I'd be thrilled with him at 47 and keep the 89 pick, but I don't realistically think he will last that long)
- 45: Either Jarron Gilbert, DE if he is still available or trade to New Orleans for their 2010 1st round pick
- 97: TJ Lang or Trevor Canfield, OG
- 124: Chris Baker, DT or Jason Phillips, ILB
- 170: Mike Wallace, WR
- 199: Devin Moore, RB
- 207: Kevin Huber, P
- 234: Lardarius Webb, CB
 

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1) Percy Harvin
2a) Connor Barwin
2b) Jamon Meredith
2c) William Moore
3a)
3b) Joe Burnett
 
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Nestapats

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#23 Maualuga
#34 Barwin
#47 Delmas
#58 E. Wood
#89 C. Ingram
#96 J. Byrd

I would absolutely love this :D:D:D
 

slash83

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23- ILB Maualuga

Package 34 and 47 to move up for Barwin

58- best available S
 

BlackFrancis

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#23 - Rey Maualuga

He could certainly slip and his addition would immediately add a nice compliment to Mayo inside - someone who can lay the wood and potentially jar the ball loose. Additionally, he would relegate Guyton, whom I see as potentially a very good player, to a very competent, 2 position backup.

#34 - Michael Johnson

Again, it looks like Johnson could slip into the early second without a great leap of faith. I was intrigued with his OLB potential after the BC game. That turned into complete certainty after seeing him in coverage drills at the combine. In Johnson, I see a three down linebacker who will be able to make an impact in all three responibilities - run defense, pass rushing and pass coverage.

#47 - Jarron Gilbert

Add a rotational defensive lineman with the ability to impact against the run and the pass. NFL Draft Scout believes he might be around for #47 and he'd be great value there if he were.

#58 - Jamon Meredith

He'd be BPA this late in the second round and an immediate upgrade for the OT backup rotation.

#89 - Chip Vaughn

Great size. Great speed. And he's a thumper in the backfield. It'll take some time and some faith for him to realize his potential.

#97 - Antoine Caldwell

I believe Caldwell is the most underrated interior lineman in this draft.

#124 - Javon Ringer

I think/hope Ringer will slip. Teams will be scared to death of the mileage and the injury history. He would be the perfect candidate to replace Kevin Faulk eventually.

#170 - Mike Wallace

First round measurables, UDFA production. He could turn into a kick returning demon.

#199 - Eron Riley

Has the speed and production to be a nice WR project stashed away on the practice squad. Has the size to be a potential ST gunner.

#207 - Everette Pedescleaux

He'd be a big time sleeper if he went this late. One of the better 3-4 DEs in a weak class.

#234 - Julius Williams

Developmental pick that may be able to make the roster as a special teams guy.

I'd go nuts if the Patriots came out of the draft with this kind of haul. No chance all of them make it but it'd be fun watching these kids run all over the place at camp.
 

mgteich

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23 Gilbert or Jackson or Hood
34 Britton or Beatty
37 Matthews or English (use 89 and 47) may need to switch 37 and 34
58 Rashad Johnson or Vaughn
97 Canfield or Luigs
124 best available ILB (there are four in that range)
170 Mike Wallace WR/KR
199 best available QB
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TriplecHamp

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Day One:
#23) Andre Smith OT-Bama (contriversial yes but I think we could make it work)
#34) Clay Matthews OLB-USC
#47) Donald Brown RB-UCONN or Hakeem Nicks WR-UNC
#58) William Moore SS-Mizzou

Note: I had a hard time trying to choose between Smith and Maualuga. I could go either way so I just chose Smith so we could adress ILB in the third with Brinkley.
 
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tjones7

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#23 - Rey Maualuga

He could certainly slip and his addition would immediately add a nice compliment to Mayo inside - someone who can lay the wood and potentially jar the ball loose. Additionally, he would relegate Guyton, whom I see as potentially a very good player, to a very competent, 2 position backup.

#34 - Michael Johnson

Again, it looks like Johnson could slip into the early second without a great leap of faith. I was intrigued with his OLB potential after the BC game. That turned into complete certainty after seeing him in coverage drills at the combine. In Johnson, I see a three down linebacker who will be able to make an impact in all three responibilities - run defense, pass rushing and pass coverage.

#47 - Jarron Gilbert

Add a rotational defensive lineman with the ability to impact against the run and the pass. NFL Draft Scout believes he might be around for #47 and he'd be great value there if he were.

#58 - Jamon Meredith

He'd be BPA this late in the second round and an immediate upgrade for the OT backup rotation.

#89 - Chip Vaughn

Great size. Great speed. And he's a thumper in the backfield. It'll take some time and some faith for him to realize his potential.

#97 - Antoine Caldwell

I believe Caldwell is the most underrated interior lineman in this draft.

#124 - Javon Ringer

I think/hope Ringer will slip. Teams will be scared to death of the mileage and the injury history. He would be the perfect candidate to replace Kevin Faulk eventually.

#170 - Mike Wallace

First round measurables, UDFA production. He could turn into a kick returning demon.

#199 - Eron Riley

Has the speed and production to be a nice WR project stashed away on the practice squad. Has the size to be a potential ST gunner.

#207 - Everette Pedescleaux

He'd be a big time sleeper if he went this late. One of the better 3-4 DEs in a weak class.

#234 - Julius Williams

Developmental pick that may be able to make the roster as a special teams guy.

I'd go nuts if the Patriots came out of the draft with this kind of haul. No chance all of them make it but it'd be fun watching these kids run all over the place at camp.
This is perfect...like the words came right out of my mouth. Lots of risk/Extreme Reward
 

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#23 OLB Connor Barwin
#34 trade with Dallas for [#51 + 2010 2nd + #117]
#47 OL Eric Wood
#51 trade [#51 + #89 + #199] to Kansas City for [#67 + 2010 3rd + #175]
#58 ILB Jason Williams
#67 S Chip Vaughn
#97* OL T.J. Lang
#117 S/CB Brandon Underwood
#124 WR Johnny Knox
#170* ILB Jason Phillips
#175 SS/Hybrid Stephen Hodge
#207* LB Henry Melton
#234 OL Robert Brewster

PFA: CB Tony Carter, DL Terrence Knighton, WR Jeremy Childs, S Colt Anderson, DL Everette Pedescleaux, ILB Robert Francois, RB Tyrell Sutton, P Chris Miller, RB Gartrell Johnson, WR Eron Riley, DL John Gill, WR Dudley Guice, QB Mike Teel, OT Nick Hennessey, FB Brock Bolen
 

mayoclinic

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#23 OLB Connor Barwin
#34 trade with Dallas for [#51 + 2010 2nd + #117]
#47 OL Eric Wood
#51 trade [#51 + #89 + #199] to Kansas City for [#67 + 2010 3rd + #175]
#58 ILB Jason Williams
#67 S Chip Vaughn
#97* OL T.J. Lang
#117 S/CB Brandon Underwood
#124 WR Johnny Knox
#170* ILB Jason Phillips
#175 SS/Hybrid Stephen Hodge
#207* LB Henry Melton
#234 OL Robert Brewster

PFA: CB Tony Carter, DL Terrence Knighton, WR Jeremy Childs, S Colt Anderson, DL Everette Pedescleaux, ILB Robert Francois, RB Tyrell Sutton, P Chris Miller, RB Gartrell Johnson, WR Eron Riley, DL John Gill, WR Dudley Guice, QB Mike Teel, OT Nick Hennessey, FB Brock Bolen
Hmm, so let me understand this. With a bunch of blue chip picks and the deepest and most stacked roster in the NFL (with the least glaring holes) you want to trade most of the blue-chippers back in order to acquire a lot of mid-to-late round potential value picks? Sounds like great stategy for Pioli in KC, but I'm not sure where we would fit all of those guys.

Who is Jason Williams, BTW? Do you mean Jason Phillips? Isn't 58 a reach for him given his leg injury?
 

Box_O_Rocks

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Hmm, so let me understand this. With a bunch of blue chip picks and the deepest and most stacked roster in the NFL (with the least glaring holes) you want to trade most of the blue-chippers back in order to acquire a lot of mid-to-late round potential value picks? Sounds like great stategy for Pioli in KC, but I'm not sure where we would fit all of those guys.

Who is Jason Williams, BTW? Do you mean Jason Phillips? Isn't 58 a reach for him given his leg injury?
Blue chip? Try red chip. How many trade ideas have you floated the past couple weeks?
- NE had #24 & #28 two years ago, they disappointed a lot of people by trading #28 to SF...today you still have to rub people's nose in that trade to stop the whining (Moss, Mayo, and Crable all came out of that trade).
- So here we are again, #23 and #34 (as we've discussed, a 1st round Comp equivalent NE can trade). Teams like Dallas and Carolina with no 1st round pick are going to be very interested in the talent pool around #34. Jerry Jones isn't noted for his patience, I'm just projecting that his impatience might allow BB to push a Day One pick forward - something we've discussed - which is easier to do at #34 then at #58.
- KC got their Franchise QB at #34, they are likely to get a nice defensive player at #3, it makes sense to me that with #47 & #51, BB is once again in a position to get a player he likes and push yet another pick forward, and KC can afford to take a shot at a red chip talent by swapping a couple early picks this year with NE and giving up a likely mid-3rd in 2010. Good value for both clubs, NE isn't missing on any make or break players at #51.
- Jason Williams Jason Williams, Western Illinois, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com Football Define "reach." You may have noted the sane and logical classifying your favorite at #23 as a "reach." The question at #58 is, who offers NE the best value, not who is ranked in that slot? I think this kid offers the best value for that slot with a NE team looking for ILB speed (check this kid's playmaking numbers). As for Phillips, check #170.
 

mayoclinic

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Blue chip? Try red chip. How many trade ideas have you floated the past couple weeks?
- NE had #24 & #28 two years ago, they disappointed a lot of people by trading #28 to SF...today you still have to rub people's nose in that trade to stop the whining (Moss, Mayo, and Crable all came out of that trade).
- So here we are again, #23 and #34 (as we've discussed, a 1st round Comp equivalent NE can trade). Teams like Dallas and Carolina with no 1st round pick are going to be very interested in the talent pool around #34. Jerry Jones isn't noted for his patience, I'm just projecting that his impatience might allow BB to push a Day One pick forward - something we've discussed - which is easier to do at #34 then at #58.
- KC got their Franchise QB at #34, they are likely to get a nice defensive player at #3, it makes sense to me that with #47 & #51, BB is once again in a position to get a player he likes and push yet another pick forward, and KC can afford to take a shot at a red chip talent by swapping a couple early picks this year with NE and giving up a likely mid-3rd in 2010. Good value for both clubs, NE isn't missing on any make or break players at #51.
- Jason Williams Jason Williams, Western Illinois, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com Football Define "reach." You may have noted the sane and logical classifying your favorite at #23 as a "reach." The question at #58 is, who offers NE the best value, not who is ranked in that slot? I think this kid offers the best value for that slot with a NE team looking for ILB speed (check this kid's playmaking numbers). As for Phillips, check #170.
I've been waiting for your retort, expecting something suitably feisty. My apologies for getting Jason Phillips and Jason Williams confused.

My confusion is not that this is an unreasonable draft scenario, but that you presented it as your "dream draft". With a lot of talent through around the #50 pick, I don't see this as the year to trade back from #34 unless all of our top projected players go really early. Dallas should be a playoff contender, so trading #34 for #51 and a 2010 pick that will probably be in the 50's doesn't seem like optimal value to me, if a player like Gilbert, Beatty or Delmas is available. If you don't believe those are blue chip prospects (like 2007, where BB didn't like the value at 28, and where the SF 1st had a least potential to be significantly higher) or if they're all gone then trading back makes sense, but presenting it as your "dream scenario" puzzles me a bit.
 

mayoclinic

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I've been waiting for your retort, expecting something suitably feisty. My apologies for getting Jason Phillips and Jason Williams confused.

My confusion is not that this is an unreasonable draft scenario, but that you presented it as your "dream draft". With a lot of talent through around the #50 pick, I don't see this as the year to trade back from #34 unless all of our top projected players go really early. Dallas should be a playoff contender, so trading #34 for #51 and a 2010 pick that will probably be in the 50's doesn't seem like optimal value to me, if a player like Gilbert, Beatty or Delmas is available. If you don't believe those are blue chip prospects (like 2007, where BB didn't like the value at 28, and where the SF 1st had a least potential to be significantly higher) or if they're all gone then trading back makes sense, but presenting it as your "dream scenario" puzzles me a bit.
It did occur to me with your Jason Williams pick that we could offer the "midwestern directional" alternative to the all-UConn draft:

23 - Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois
34 - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
58 - Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois
89 - TJ Lang, OT/G, Eastern Michigan

:)
 
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