Week 2 Pats @ Steelers pregame thread

[JarOfMayo51]

Wasn't back spasms Gronk's problem for a while?

One of many problems I think

He’s had like 2-3 back surgeries to fix compressed or shifted discs I think

 

[Tunescribe]

Flores being on the other sideline concerns me.

 

[Sfpat]

I can't wait until we have a WR like Jamarr Chase I can dream can't I??

Next time the Pats have the 4th pick in the draft.........

 

[PatsFan2]

Flores being on the other sideline concerns me.

Get the lead and keep the lead let's not fall behind.

 

[thecore762]

I hope we get our offensive woes all taken care of for the next game. I hope that Bourne starts.

 

[woolster22]

Wasn't back spasms Gronk's problem for a while?

Spasms are caused by something, they don't just happen.

Back problems aren't exactly known for improving with time.

 

[ashley]

Getting everyone ready for a Wednesday, Sunday can't get here fast enough:

We also hosted five players for workouts and visits. Offensive lineman Lachavious Simmons, defensive linemen Mika Tafua, Sam Kamara and Micah Dew-Treadway, and linebacker Ron’Dell Carter were all in Foxborough on Tuesday.

 

[catent]

Spasms are caused by something, they don't just happen.

Back problems aren't exactly known for improving with time.

Like a hit in the square of your back by a blitzing DB? We have a pretty obvious explanation ...

Short-term, acute spasms (basically a muscle cramp) from blunt-force impact, on a baking hot day, is nothing to worry about in a 24 year-old professional athlete. Mac will be fine.

 

[Sicilian]

Spasms are caused by something, they don't just happen.

Back problems aren't exactly known for improving with time.

Not that it's the same (I'm no pro athlete taking hits like Mac took), but I've had back spasms off and on most of my life, I think caused from a fall I took as a teenager. And what ended up fixing them was doing simple squat exercises twice a day. I'm sure this is a different thing, but sometimes back problems are really simple to work out (though obviously, most times they are not).

 

[jays52]

Like a hit in the square of your back by a blitzing DB? We have a pretty obvious explanation ...

Short-term, acute spasms (basically a muscle cramp) from blunt-force impact, on a baking hot day, is nothing to worry about in a 24 year-old professional athlete. Mac will be fine.

I'm an active grappling athlete and spine injuries are our most common ones. Spasms are generally caused by the body seizing up to prevent further injury to a disk. Which explains why they brought him in for an x-ray; they wanted to determine if his disks were in place and not displaced or impinging a nerve. It's not a muscle cramp.

 

[catent]

I'm an active grappling athlete and spine injuries are our most common ones. Spasms are generally caused by the body seizing up to prevent further injury to a disk. Which explains why they brought him in for an x-ray; they wanted to determine if his disks were in place and not displaced or impinging a nerve. It's not a muscle cramp.

Cleveland Clinic uses the terms interchangeably. It's an involuntary muscle contraction. The body doesn't make a distinction between spasms/cramps, that's a human distinction. MayoClinic doesn't even have a dedicated "Muscle spasm" article, all they have is "Muscle cramp", and when googling for "MayoClinic muscle spasm", the first result is their "Muscle cramp" webpage.

Spasms: "Muscle spasms (muscle cramps) are painful contractions and tightening of your muscles. They’re common, involuntary and unpredictable".

Cramps: "Muscle cramps are sudden muscle contractions. Also called muscle spasms or charley horses, a muscle cramp can be a common symptom of many things, like exercise strain or a medical condition".

I don't seen any evidence for the claim that spasms are a unique, protective response to avoid further injury, or that spasms are fundamentally different from cramps. Reading what I can find online, it seems spasms/cramps are caused by a wide range of things - diet, hydration, overuse, lack of sleep, stress, and yes, in some cases structural injury.

So based on that, getting hit hard in the square of the back on a hot, humid day, seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for back spasms (cramps) without any structural injury. Apparently the diagnostics confirmed as much.

Muscle Spasms and Cramps: What Causes Them?

Find out what causes muscle spasms and cramps and what you can do about them.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Muscle Spasms and Cramps: What Causes Them?

Find out what causes muscle spasms and cramps and what you can do about them.

my.clevelandclinic.org

 

[jays52]

Cleveland Clinic uses the terms interchangeably. It's an involuntary muscle contraction. The body doesn't make a distinction between spasms/cramps, that's a human distinction. MayoClinic doesn't even have a dedicated "Muscle spasm" article, all they have is "Muscle cramp", and when googling for "MayoClinic muscle spasm", the first result is their "Muscle cramp" webpage.

Spasms: "Muscle spasms (muscle cramps) are painful contractions and tightening of your muscles. They’re common, involuntary and unpredictable".

Cramps: "Muscle cramps are sudden muscle contractions. Also called muscle spasms or charley horses, a muscle cramp can be a common symptom of many things, like exercise strain or a medical condition".

I don't seen any evidence for the claim that spasms are a unique, protective response to avoid further injury, or that spasms are fundamentally different from cramps. Reading what I can find online, it seems spasms/cramps are caused by a wide range of things - diet, hydration, overuse, lack of sleep, stress, and yes, in some cases structural injury.

So based on that, getting hit hard in the square of the back on a hot, humid day, seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for back spasms (cramps) without any structural injury. Apparently the diagnostics confirmed as much.

Muscle Spasms and Cramps: What Causes Them?

Find out what causes muscle spasms and cramps and what you can do about them.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Muscle Spasms and Cramps: What Causes Them?

Find out what causes muscle spasms and cramps and what you can do about them.

my.clevelandclinic.org

How much time of your life did you waste on google to make a semantic argument?

 

[PatsWSB47]

How much time of your life did you waste on google to make a semantic argument?

You're anti semantic?

 

[catent]

How much time of your life did you waste on google to make a semantic argument?

It's not a semantic argument whatsoever. You argued that there is a technical difference between spasms and cramps, that spasms are a fundamentally different thing than cramps, and that spasms normally occur in response to injury. That doesn't seem to be consistent with existing medical knowledge.

If when I had dug into those articles I found evidence supporting your claim, I would've confirmed it and admitted my initial post was wrong and given a mea culpa. I did the digging not to prove you wrong, but because I was genuinely curious if that was the case. FWIW, I did a quick google search before I made my original post and that's what I based my claim that a spasm is "basically a muscle cramp" on, and that does in fact seem to be the case.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Tomlin may also be out for Sunday. Word is he got hurt trying to chest bump himself in the mirror.

 

[sb1]

Disclaimer: Brady post but it's relevant because the team is in Pittsburgh this week


0:28. Can't get enough of watching Brady make a point to go where the Pitt fans can see him and scream and spike it after the TD and then glare at them lol. Can imagine what the yinzers were yelling at Tom.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

This game will come down to which offense doesn’t lose the game. I’d give a large edge to the defenses in this one.

I know the Steelers have good receivers but Mitch isn’t good. He passed for less than 200 yards in a 70 minute game. If the Pats can bottle up the run game I think this one will be decided by who gives up the ball more, Mac or Mitch.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Just a reminder that the Pats started off 1-3 last year and made the playoffs...no need to panic yet, although we did look a lot better vs Miami in week 1 last year than we did last Sunday. So far this season looks to be a continuation of where we left off last year with the bills...

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

This game will come down to which offense doesn’t lose the game. I’d give a large edge to the defenses in this one.

I know the Steelers have good receivers but Mitch isn’t good. He passed for less than 200 yards in a 70 minute game. If the Pats can bottle up the run game I think this one will be decided by who gives up the ball more, Mac or Mitch.

Agreed. My worry is that right now our offense looks much more mistake prone than theirs. Mitch is very limited but he played incredibly smart last Sunday. We HAVE to protect the football when /if things break down and give our defense a fair shake

 

[Kontradiction]

This game will come down to which offense doesn’t lose the game. I’d give a large edge to the defenses in this one.

I know the Steelers have good receivers but Mitch isn’t good. He passed for less than 200 yards in a 70 minute game. If the Pats can bottle up the run game I think this one will be decided by who gives up the ball more, Mac or Mitch.

I don’t see Pittsburgh beating the Pats, to be honest. It will be a low-scoring, grind-it-out type of game. Turnovers will sink them. I think Count Chocula will toss 1-2 of them our way and that will be the difference.