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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by kurtinelson, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. kurtinelson

    kurtinelson In the Starting Line-Up

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    I'd be ok with Zach Allen at 32. He's being considered one of the easiest projections in the Draft and is being compared to Trey Flowers with respect to his versatility. His ceiling likely won't be perennial prow bowler but I think he's a safe return on the investment of pick number 32. If not for the 5th year option, I'd love the Pats trade back a few spots before making this pick.

     
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    reamer Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Like the player, love the fit, and I usually include him in my mocks, but I'd prefer to take him at 56 or at least trade down for future capital if we're taking Allen first. I see Allen as a step below Flowers as a pass rusher, but otherwise a fairly similar player who can give us solid snaps all across the line. The 5th year option is really valuable in the 1st, and I think we can get a more impactful player there and keep him under contract longer.
     
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    manxman2601 Hall of Fame Poster

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    Yes please. One of my faves. One big plus for him is that he doesn’t come off the field. Apparently he played a ridiculous number of snaps against Wake Forest.

    As for 56, I’m not sure he makes it that far. He’s one getting a lot of top 4o buzz.
     
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    BobDigital Pro Bowl Player

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    I like the player but if you can't pass rush you can't really go in the top 40 these days IMO.
     
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    patsfaninpa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I like him. But, think he grows into a DT. Different player than Flowers
     
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    manxman2601 Hall of Fame Poster

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    I think he’s more a Tyrone Crawford type. Plays DE on normal downs and kicks inside on passing downs.
     
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    Flowers is 6’2” and in the 265 range.

    Allen seems bigger and stiffer.
     
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    reach.
     
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    I don't disagree, but the question is how much of a reach. I've seen him ranked at the top of round two as well as at the bottom.
     
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    I love Allen. Been on him for years it seems. Went from an intriguing big body. To someone who could hold his own. To someone who flashed big time when Landry was hurt. Probably was a lil high on him last year but he's everything we love here.
    Graded out a lil bit higher than Trey. Allen graded at 8.02 & Flowers at 8.00 believe.

    I'm a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to this bc I go by my grades but I'm not 100% strict by the #. I'm not perfect. If I have some graded at 45 Im not mad if we get them at 32. That's just not a huge deal.

    Again hes everything we want & like here. On & off the field he checks boxes all over the place.

    Like Omenihu he played everywhere. Huge, w length & knows how to use it. When actually let loose to get after the QB he can do some work. Often tasked w playing the run from different spots hes a really good rusher for who/where he is.
    Not blessed athleticism or anything special besides his size & hes still growing into & transforming his body. Definitely has to tighten up & shed a few bad lbs but hes a worker. In the weight room w different people & approaches. Film. Working on his hands. He should get there.

    So yea 32 would be a reach by most standards but how often have we seen some team taking a "reach" & then getting a "faller". Btw neither players don't shoot up or fall in boards. That's just the media just finding out wtf is really going on w different boards.

    Ideally we trade out of 32 & get picks next year or this year & grab Allen in the 2nd. We just saw every team pass on Landry, sometimes twice. Wouldn't be shocked to see Allen & Lawrence there in the 2nd to be had.
     
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    oceansizer Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    In my mock draft I have taken AJ Brown with pick 32nd.With a pick 56th I have an opportunity to grab either Johnathan Abram or Zach Allen. I really like both of them in this phase of the draft.Who would you choose,that is the question?
     
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    Zach Allen. Abrams skill set becomes a little more redundant after Chung’s re-signing.
     
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    He's stiff and slow twitch. At least he could set the edge. I have him as s 4th rounder.
     
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    He’s also one of the best run defenders in the class, is versatile enough to play the edge and play inside and isn’t injury prone. Lots of value in that.
     
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    This is a very accurate statement and makes perfect sense.
     
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    Zach Allen, unhesitatingly...unless Chris Lindstrom is also still available. Then I would go Lindstrom at 56, Zach Allen at 64 and Dawson Knox at 73.

    I would love a BC - Ole Miss double-dip with our first 4 picks.
     
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    Lindstrom should go 20 spots earlier than 56.

     
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    Lindstrom should go in the top 25. Day one starter and potential future pro bowler.
     
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    Someone educate me since I don't watch tape for Day 2/3 prospects: How important is the 3-cone for DEs playing Patriots? I see Zach Allen and I think his profile is almost an identical match with what I think the Patriots want but his 3-cone sucks. Then I see someone like Anthony Nelson who is a similarly ranked prospect but has a much better 3-cone. In this case would the 3-cone be the deciding factor between Zach Allen and for example Anthony Nelson?
     
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    With the exception of Trey Flowers, it still seems to be important. Rivers - 6.96, Deatrich Wise - 7.07, Chandler Jones - 7.07. Although they play differently, Anthony Nelson and Chandler Jones are very close comps athletically.
     
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