PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 12 - Wednesday August 6 - Joint practice controlled scrimmage versus Washington Commanders.

[PatsfanTN]

Terrible President. Great dam though.

Seriously, injuries happen. It's football. Stop talking, stop talking, stop talking like 53 guys on a roster at the start of the season are there at the end especially when you saw the OL ****show parade last year. Whomever, makes the 53 will miss a play, miss a game, miss a part of the season, miss a child's birthday, the wife's anniversary, miss the funeral of a loved one, Jesus this is depressing.

Spillane is my binkie. Good player, loves the game, believed in himself when no one else did, wants to be here.

Anyway, I digest. What do we do with Bourne and Polk? The next 14 days will answer that, one way (trade) or the other (cut). 1 or both could still may make our 53 or take a 53 somewhere else.





"Hey Folks, we have a 3 and 1/2 hour ride so sit back and relax with the final stop being New York City. Just know that life is good no matter where you call home, except maybe for the New Jersey Jets."

Both will be cut imo.

 

[Family]

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LET SOMEONE CONVINCE US. FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS
How many receptions have been made by our #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8 receivers on the Opening Day roster? or even one picked up later.
I am certainly open to a STer being our 6th receiver. Hoever, I don't expect our #6 to get have many receptions.

That's not the point. It's not about how anyone does on opening day or even that year. It's about retaining young talent for this year and the future.

Of the young WR's Williams/Pop/Boutte appear to be locks. If both Polk and Baker look good enough in preseason, Polk will certainly find a new home, and Baker probably will.

There's always spots available for developmental players. On offense I don't see a TE/RB/QB (beyond the core) who is a developmental player, so why is an extra one at WR so outrageous?

The question isn't how many WR's at the bottom of roster produce on opening day/that year, It's how many young WR's are cut, and have productive careers.

There's even one on the Patriots now.

 

[KCSVEN]

Really good article on John "Stretch" Streicher

He is the Patriots’ best kept secret, the man behind Mike Vrabel’s rebuild

The Patriots employ the NFL’s best kept secret, a 35-year-old whiz plotting their path back to contention.

www.bostonherald.com

Excerpts

Stretch touches every department in the Patriots’ football operations, yet rarely leaves fingerprints. He handles analytics and game management on Sundays. He scouts opponents, college prospects and pro players, a voice in the team’s free agency and draft plans. The Patriots’ athletic training, travel, equipment and security staffs all report to him.
Through his first six months in New England, Stretch has been described as an evolved version of Ernie Adams, the one-time consigliere to Bill Belichick. Try Again
“There’s ownership, there’s Vrabel, and then Stretch,” one source said.


How Stretch founded the Alpha Dogs, a boosters club that fundamentally changed the program, which went 18-7 during their two seasons and 28-2 over the two that followed. How the Alpha Dogs paid for a renovated locker room, new helmets, uniforms, training tables and expanded the recruiting budget. How Stretch organized the program’s present and plotted its future simultaneously, all at 24 and 25 years old.
“All the departments that exist in college football today with 15 different people,” Fleming said, “he did all of that at James Madison.”


Turns out, that afternoon he was off meeting with team president Jonathan Kraft.
They discussed the Patriots’ new state-of-the-art facility, which broke ground last December and is scheduled to open next spring; a physical manifestation of the franchise’s future.
Stretch is redesigning it.

 

[Sect140]

I agree. We have 2 #7's at this point. Is our WR depth so great that Chism will be picked up; probably not.

I don't count Bourne who will be traded.

If Bourne is injured I doubt a team will trade for him. Will he end up being placed on IR and being and being able to return later?

 

[Real fan 02]

Trade? Maybe. Cut? No. He would cost more to cut than keep. And even if he is the #3 safety (which i don't think he will be) he'll still play a lot and bring value. No one they cut a player like him with a contract like that unless he is a problem in the locker room.

As for a trade? I don't think so. Maybe... but I doubt it. Who would want his contract? How much would we have to eat? What do we get back? Considering all the draw backs and probable lack of return i don't see how we gain value trading him.

That's what Bedard and perry felt by thier assessments on him during the camp practices. If Dugger were traded the only thing to get back is draft capital I'm thinking a 5th rounder at the least. He is a vested veteran, and had been listed along with Dugger as one of the NFL top safeties previously. However I don't see Vrabel moving him. It's just to much of a gamble to move him and have to rely on unproven guys right out the gate.

 

[PatsFan2]

If Bourne is injured I doubt a team will trade for him. Will he end up being placed on IR and being and being able to return later?

Gee I hope not save it for a better player.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bedard is an imbecile. Never listen to anything he has to say..

Dugger was with the 1st today. He was also lining up at LB when they went into their DIME situations.

I hope Dugger is part of the team going forward he dealt with a serious ankle issue last season. He's still a good player.

 

[Real fan 02]

Gee I hope not save it for a better player.

I feel like if KB isn't going to make the roster trade him to a team of his choosing.. rather than hold the roster spot for him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If Bourne is injured I doubt a team will trade for him. Will he end up being placed on IR and being and being able to return later?

I can't see them keeping him on IR. They'll release him w/ an injury designation.

They save $6.3m off the cap w/ only $1.4 in dead money.

They could cut him and bring him back on a more team friendly deal as right now he is paid $5m.

 

[mgteich]

If Bourne is injured I doubt a team will trade for him. Will he end up being placed on IR and being and being able to return later?

makes sense to me

 

[Jackson 2]

Nothing like Volin to talk up anyone the Pats are playing against.

Li'l Bennie is a human turd.

 

[mgteich]

I can't see them keeping him on IR. They'll release him w/ in injury designation.

They save $6.3m off the cap w/ only $1.4 in dead money.

They could cut him and bring him back on a more team friendly deal as right now he is paid $5m.

One question is whether he can pass a physical before the season starts. If not, he can be put IR. If he can ass, the team could cut him and have no 2025 new money cost.
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THEN, we can discuss an injury settlement with him. When he is healthy, Vrabel can make whatever decision is needed.

 

[Real fan 02]

I can't see them keeping him on IR. They'll release him w/ an injury designation.

They save $6.3m off the cap w/ only $1.4 in dead money.

They could cut him and bring him back on a more team friendly deal as right now he is paid $5m.

Agreed... also They have 60 plus million in cap space.. I don't feel the ambitions to save more space persay.. I feel like the organization wants to keep as much good young talent on the roster as possible. The fact Boutte and pop for example are just that.. developing young players.. they won't keep Bourne over a younger guy who's developing... Bourne has been a great locker room guy and leader. I can see the team possibly trading him to a team of his preference if anything. Just my opinion..

 

[mgteich]

Agreed... also They have 60 plus million in cap space.. I don't feel the ambitions to save more space persay.. I feel like the organization wants to keep as much good young talent on the roster as possible. The fact Boutte and pop for example are just that.. developing young players.. they won't keep Bourne over a younger guy who's developing... Bourne has been a great locker room guy and leader. I can see the team possibly trading him to a team of his preference if anything. Just my opinion..

No one is discussing keeping Bourne instead of a youngster.

If Bourne is injured and can't pass a physical, then he should be put on IR on cut-down day or the day before. Then, when Bourne is healthy, decisions can be made. We might even get a pick for a healthy Bourne. I would note that we are on the hook for his salary if he isn't healthy before the season starts.

 

[signbabybrady]

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[RobertWeathers]

Agreed... also They have 60 plus million in cap space.. I don't feel the ambitions to save more space persay.. I feel like the organization wants to keep as much good young talent on the roster as possible. The fact Boutte and pop for example are just that.. developing young players.. they won't keep Bourne over a younger guy who's developing... Bourne has been a great locker room guy and leader. I can see the team possibly trading him to a team of his preference if anything. Just my opinion..

Agree. They don't need the space but you certainly don't want cap space used or paying a player $5m to be on the roster that shouldn't be.

 

[Love The Drake]

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Patriots football is back, I hate that Mayos coaching tenure stains my view of him he was a really good linebacker.

 

[Zuma]

Photos: Patriots & Commanders Joint Practices

Highlights: Patriots Joint Practice with the Washington Commanders

 

[ViperGTS]

Agreed... also They have 60 plus million in cap space.. I don't feel the ambitions to save more space persay.. I feel like the organization wants to keep as much good young talent on the roster as possible. The fact Boutte and pop for example are just that.. developing young players.. they won't keep Bourne over a younger guy who's developing... Bourne has been a great locker room guy and leader. I can see the team possibly trading him to a team of his preference if anything. Just my opinion..

Thats a bit of a red herring. They are currently as constructed to be 20 million OVER the cap next season. So that is a fake number. They need to shed to be cap compliant next season.

 

[WazzuWheatfarmer]

So, no joint practice today? Was yesterday’s the only one?