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[JoePats]

With friends like Goodell who needs enemies. Then I can reason that the reason he ignored the transgressions of the Colts and Jets is because he must dislike there owners. That makes perfect sense.

I have no idea why he ignored them. Perhaps the tapes were destroyed in the Jets case.

And what did the Colts do?

 

[Rob0729]

With friends like Goodell who needs enemies. Then I can reason that the reason he ignored the transgressions of the Colts and Jets is because he must dislike there owners. That makes perfect sense.

What disgressions did he ignore? Because he didn't actually suspend Harrison yet? It hasn't even been a week and they are still sorting out the details. It isn't like there is a game next Sunday.

You already have Goodell punishing the Patriots for the Rams walkthrough without even seeing if he gets anything from Walsh at all. I can almost guarantee you that if he doesn't get a tape incriminating the Pats that he will do nothing because that is what is best for the league.

You go other teams boards and people are complaining that Goodell is protecting the Patriots. I don't particularly agree with the guy on a lot of issues, but I think he has been consistent in his rulings. He was praised by many people on this board when he served with a heavy hand taking swift and hard actions vs. Pacman, Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Michael Vick, and Tank Johnson. When he did the same vs. the Patriots it is because he hates Kraft and wanted to screw him. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

I do think Goodell was too harsh with his punishment vs. the Patriots for what was a relatively minor infraction, but it is consistent with his rulings.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Two things you do not take into consideration. first is that Harrison plays for the Good Guys in the Goodell universe. Secondly Goodell is afraid to take on Polian with his position on the competition committee. The only way Goodell punishes Harrison is if he can't play anymore and Polian wants to get out of his contract.

Umm if Harrison is convicted of a felony, you better believe there are gonna be some real penalties assessed. The weird thing is that I don't think that hurts the Colts that much even if the worse case happens with Harrison since he is on the downslope of his career anyways. Reggie Wayne has been the true #1 receiver in Indy the past 2 years.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Two things you do not take into consideration. first is that Harrison plays for the Good Guys in the Goodell universe. Secondly Goodell is afraid to take on Polian with his position on the competition committee. The only way Goodell punishes Harrison is if he can't play anymore and Polian wants to get out of his contract.

Not quite...if he has charges brought against him & is convicted, He'll never play another down. Just like the man said.

 

[flasox27]

robo
Just a few words for your and the rest of the Goodell defenders. Please answer a few questions for me.
1. Name one thing that Goodell has done since taking office that has not been detrimental to the Pats. Starting with the extraordinary punishment for the rules, the alleged investigation of the tapes leak to Fox, the destruction of the Pats tapes, the ignoring of the Jets taping the Pats, the accusation of collusion between the Colts and Titans and finally the lending of credibility to Walsh. I know one of you has come out with theory that Goodell is bending over backwards to prove he is not friends with Kraft but enough is enough.
You challenge my impressions of Krafts relationship with Goodell then I guess you must have intitmate knowledge yourself. I also believe that relationships can change and in this case it did. The reason that the pats didn't appeal the ruling was that Kraft thought he had a deal with Goodell to close the case, he didn't realize that Goodell lacked the integrity to keep his word.
As for the leaking of the Pats tape, I didn't say that Goodell did it but do you have plausible reason for the results of the investigation never to have been revealed.
I will agree with you that Goodell really came down hard on the 49ers who are a repeat offender. Boy, losing that 5th round draft pick really hurt them. I really can see any difference in the way they were treated and the Pats treatment.
Mark my words, Walsh will not come up with any tapes other that what the Pats already told Goodell, but will come up with some unsubstantiated stories about the Pats illegally using radio frequencies etc. and Goodell rather than putting to rest will start another investigation of the Pats.
I wonder what you will say then about the friendship between Kraft and Goodell.
I actually hope I am wrong and will be happy to to admit so here but I can smell a rat when one is there

 

[Rob0729]

robo
Just a few words for your and the rest of the Goodell defenders. Please answer a few questions for me.
1. Name one thing that Goodell has done since taking office that has not been detrimental to the Pats. Starting with the extraordinary punishment for the rules, the alleged investigation of the tapes leak to Fox, the destruction of the Pats tapes, the ignoring of the Jets taping the Pats, the accusation of collusion between the Colts and Titans and finally the lending of credibility to Walsh. I know one of you has come out with theory that Goodell is bending over backwards to prove he is not friends with Kraft but enough is enough.
You challenge my impressions of Krafts relationship with Goodell then I guess you must have intitmate knowledge yourself. I also believe that relationships can change and in this case it did. The reason that the pats didn't appeal the ruling was that Kraft thought he had a deal with Goodell to close the case, he didn't realize that Goodell lacked the integrity to keep his word.
As for the leaking of the Pats tape, I didn't say that Goodell did it but do you have plausible reason for the results of the investigation never to have been revealed.
I will agree with you that Goodell really came down hard on the 49ers who are a repeat offender. Boy, losing that 5th round draft pick really hurt them. I really can see any difference in the way they were treated and the Pats treatment.
Mark my words, Walsh will not come up with any tapes other that what the Pats already told Goodell, but will come up with some unsubstantiated stories about the Pats illegally using radio frequencies etc. and Goodell rather than putting to rest will start another investigation of the Pats.
I wonder what you will say then about the friendship between Kraft and Goodell.
I actually hope I am wrong and will be happy to to admit so here but I can smell a rat when one is there

I'm not defending Goodell. I just don't buy into the ridiculous BS that Goodell has some kind of imaginary vendetta against the Patriots. Goodell has handled the whole Spygate thing miserably, but it isn't because he is out to get Kraft or the Pats.

If Walsh produces no evidence, Goodell may launch another investigation to keep Specter and the Patriots haters from criticizing him for not taking what Walsh had to say seriously and trying to sweep it under the rug. Specter's little war against the NFL actually had legs because Goodell ruled quickly last time. Goodell has to at least go through the motions to get Specter off his back. But I can guarantee you if Walsh does not have a smoking gun, Goodell will not levy anymore punishment on the Patriots.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

So me actually posting a link supporting my claim doesn't make it so either. Sorry, but just because Kraft proposed someone else doesn't mean that after going through the discovery process that he didn't determine that Goodell was the better candidate.

Besides, Kraft could have nominated Reynolds to get a good selection. If you have ever been part of a hiring process, many times you have a guy who is going to get the job from the start, but other candidates are brought in almost to validate the initial decision.

It has been reported in multiple sources that Kraft played a key role in getting Goodell into the commissioner spot and that they are close.

I was from the Concord area and knew the 2 parties, but don't let facts affect your reading of throw away lines in USA Today or whatever. Goodell was NOT Kraft's choice. He simply made the best of it when his guy wasn't the finalist. No way the other owners wanted as powerful and capable owner as Kraft having HIS candidate be comissioner. Back to your fantasies.

 

[Rob0729]

I was from the Concord area and knew the 2 parties, but don't let facts affect your reading of throw away lines in USA Today or whatever. Goodell was NOT Kraft's choice. He simply made the best of it when his guy wasn't the finalist. No way the other owners wanted as powerful and capable owner as Kraft having HIS candidate be comissioner. Back to your fantasies.

Aparently it is a mass fantasy. Sports writers all over the country said the same thing. Of course you know better than USA Today, the Boston Globe, etc.

I love the dillusions of graduer of some message board posters who claim that they know more than people who actually cover the sport.

Of course no one wanted a powerful or capable owner's choice to be commissioner. The fact that Goodell was Dan Rooney's candidate apparently didn't mean anything then since the Rooney family are just as powerful and capable owners as the Kraft, maybe more so. Your logic doesn't hold weight.

Fact of the matter is Kraft was on the selection committee and they wanted multiple candidates to consider before annointing a new commissioer. Neither you nor I know if Kraft nominated Reynolds because he seriously wanted him to be commissioner or that he felt he was a capable candidate to throw into the mix to consider although he hadn't thrown in his support behind him. He did champion him through at least the finalist stage of the selection and it does carry some weight especially since both have been friendly before and after he was selected.

Besides, even if Goodell wasn't Kraft's candidate, it doesn't change the fact that Kraft and Goodell are friends. Goodell even was going to throw Kraft a bone and set up a preseason game in China which is a market that Kraft has been trying to push his Patriots to for a while.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I would suggest that your statement Kraft and Goodell are friends is not factual in the reality based universe. of course I could be wrong in thinking that Kraft does not enjoy getting royally screwed by every decision that biased piece of crap rules on. I think a very real indication of Kraft's feelings will be when Kraft leads the big market teams in opting out of the bargaining agreement rather than playing peacemaker like the last time.

at the end of the day the colts are a marquis team in this league so goodell is just trying to protect the NFL's reputation.

i think we are all acting the same way the patriots haters did when the whole spygate thing broke out. some of us are accusing Harrison of doing something for which he hasn't even been arrested. we should not be on that low level.

 

[Watson's IQ]

i think we are all acting the same way the patriots haters did when the whole spygate thing broke out. some of us are accusing Harrison of doing something for which he hasn't even been arrested. we should not be on that low level.

Exactly. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? When and if Harrison is charged, and found guilty, then obviously it's likely he will be disciplined both by the league and by the justice system. Until then, I'm not going to buy into anything about the NFL "protecting" the Colts image. I see no reason at all that the commissioner should get involved until all the facts or known. How would we have felt if he suspended Moss last year for hitting that woman? For all we know at this point, there's just as much truth to this.

 

[Rob0729]

Exactly. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? When and if Harrison is charged, and found guilty, then obviously it's likely he will be disciplined both by the league and by the justice system. Until then, I'm not going to buy into anything about the NFL "protecting" the Colts image. I see no reason at all that the commissioner should get involved until all the facts or known. How would we have felt if he suspended Moss last year for hitting that woman? For all we know at this point, there's just as much truth to this.

Well, Goodell did suspend guys like Pacman, Chris Henry, and Michael Vick before they were found guilty, but all were charged first. We aren't even a week after the Harrison thing and people are complaining that Goodell is sweeping this under the rug.

Goodell has no control of the media. If ESPN is giving more weight to other stories, it isn't because of Goodell.

I expect Goodell to get involved sooner rather than later, but I still think it could be a few months before he does unless the police clear Harrison.

 

[PAPatsjunkie]

I woke up this morning thinking that this story sure disapeared quickly. Think about it, it broke on Friday evening, and after some discussion was pretty much gone by the next day. "Allegedly" or not, if this were a Patriots player, this would get 24/7 coverage.

FWIW, I dont believe this is an NFL coverup, it's just that the Colts are media darlings. They can do no wrong.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Aparently it is a mass fantasy. Sports writers all over the country said the same thing. Of course you know better than USA Today, the Boston Globe, etc.

I love the dillusions of graduer of some message board posters who claim that they know more than people who actually cover the sport.

Of course no one wanted a powerful or capable owner's choice to be commissioner. The fact that Goodell was Dan Rooney's candidate apparently didn't mean anything then since the Rooney family are just as powerful and capable owners as the Kraft, maybe more so. Your logic doesn't hold weight.

Fact of the matter is Kraft was on the selection committee and they wanted multiple candidates to consider before annointing a new commissioer. Neither you nor I know if Kraft nominated Reynolds because he seriously wanted him to be commissioner or that he felt he was a capable candidate to throw into the mix to consider although he hadn't thrown in his support behind him. He did champion him through at least the finalist stage of the selection and it does carry some weight especially since both have been friendly before and after he was selected.

Besides, even if Goodell wasn't Kraft's candidate, it doesn't change the fact that Kraft and Goodell are friends. Goodell even was going to throw Kraft a bone and set up a preseason game in China which is a market that Kraft has been trying to push his Patriots to for a while.

As a Patriots Fan I find it amusing that suddenly on this issue you attribute infallibility to reporters' after the fact comments on the Kraft-Goodell buddy system. The sad 'fact' is that stories are often rehashed distorted repeats of other stories and gain a life of their own. I am not saying that they are antagonists, but that your stated 'fact' that Kraft was instrumental in Goodell being the guy is not so. In fact, in a later post you contradict yourself and call Goodell Rooney's guy.

By your own words and standards you must therefore believe all the worst about Camera-gate and Matt Walsh's 'information'. After all, it has been reported thus by as you yourself say "sportswriters all over the country".

 

[Kontradiction]

Two things you do not take into consideration. first is that Harrison plays for the Good Guys in the Goodell universe. Secondly Goodell is afraid to take on Polian with his position on the competition committee. The only way Goodell punishes Harrison is if he can't play anymore and Polian wants to get out of his contract.

Can we please stop with the Goodell conspiracies? I hate the guy just as much, if not more, than any of you but you saying that he's afraid of Polian is ridiculous. The guy is the commissioner of the league. He will see fit to punish whoever breaks the rules. If it comes out that Harrison did shoot at this guy, there will be a punishment involved.

 

[Rob0729]

Can we please stop with the Goodell conspiracies? I hate the guy just as much, if not more, than any of you but you saying that he's afraid of Polian is ridiculous. The guy is the commissioner of the league. He will see fit to punish whoever breaks the rules. If it comes out that Harrison did shoot at this guy, there will be a punishment involved.

Yeah, these conspiracy theories are stupid. Wouldn't Goodell be more afraid of Kraft and his power over the Television Committee anyway? If he is actually afraid of anyone in the NFL that is? Goodell doesn't have a team, what exactly can Polian do to hurt Goodell with the Rules Committee? The Television Committee is responsible for a lionshare of the revenue the league for the league. Making Kraft upset can do more potential damage to Goodell than pissing off someone on the rules committee. Personally, I don't think Goodell is afraid of anyone.

 

[SteveZabel54]

I woke up this morning thinking that this story sure disapeared quickly. Think about it, it broke on Friday evening, and after some discussion was pretty much gone by the next day. "Allegedly" or not, if this were a Patriots player, this would get 24/7 coverage.

FWIW, I dont believe this is an NFL coverup, it's just that the Colts are media darlings. They can do no wrong.

No, actually what happened is a policeman was shot to death and their focus has shifted to that.

The one thing I got from the Philadelphia paper was that Harrison voluntarily went to the police to be interviewed. As owner of the bar and car detailing place, he spoke to the police and admitted that the man who was shot had been ejected from the bar several weeks ago.

 

[corny99999]

I am lovin' this video of Angry Peyton! It was yesterday's day of fame!

http://www.dayoffame.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=51

:singing::singing::singing:

 

[Rob0729]

As a Patriots Fan I find it amusing that suddenly on this issue you attribute infallibility to reporters' after the fact comments on the Kraft-Goodell buddy system. The sad 'fact' is that stories are often rehashed distorted repeats of other stories and gain a life of their own. I am not saying that they are antagonists, but that your stated 'fact' that Kraft was instrumental in Goodell being the guy is not so. In fact, in a later post you contradict yourself and call Goodell Rooney's guy.

By your own words and standards you must therefore believe all the worst about Camera-gate and Matt Walsh's 'information'. After all, it has been reported thus by as you yourself say "sportswriters all over the country".

How did I contradict myself. Kraft was instrumental in getting Goodell in charge. Rooney was more instrumental. I never said that Kraft was the guy who convinced the rest of the committee to go for this guy when no one else was hot on him. Goodell was the odds on favorite to win the job in the first place. It was guys like Rooney and Kraft who made it a done deal though.

As for me believing the worst because sportswriters all over the country are saying Matt Walsh has something, you really want to sell that with a straight face. Kraft's relationship with Goodell and how instrumental he was to get Goodell elected commissioner is something that is verifiable. What Matt Walsh has is not verifiable at least until the end of this week since he hasn't told anyone in the press what he has. Besides, there is far from a consensus that Matt Walsh has anything. Both Peter King and Don Banks at SI have said that they feel he has nothing. Most of the local guys say the same thing.

I'm sorry, but I think it is comical to think that Goodell has a vendetta against Kraft or the Patriots or that he is getting back at Kraft for nominating someone other than himself as an candidate for Commissioner. Goodell was consistent with his ruling with the Patriots as he was with players - swift and harsh penalties.

 

[spacecrime]

No, actually what happened is a policeman was shot to death and their focus has shifted to that.

You'll have to show me the link that ESPN transferred their focus to the policeman. We're talking football-related media.

 

[indycolts685]

Two things you do not take into consideration. first is that Harrison plays for the Good Guys in the Goodell universe. Secondly Goodell is afraid to take on Polian with his position on the competition committee. The only way Goodell punishes Harrison is if he can't play anymore and Polian wants to get out of his contract.

I think goodell is going to be irrelevant in this case, if Harrison goes to jail for a very long time it won't matter if Goodell suspends him or not. I am obviously a Colts fan but if Harrison did shoot at this guy while he was running away he deserves serious jail time.