PatsBoy12
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I love watching OBJ and still think he'll be one of the best in the game, but he showed no heart yesterday. I feel he underestimated Butler and thought he scored the knock out blow early on the 87-yarder. Butler responded by stepping up. OBJ didn't know what to do after that.
I think he made "a football move", which does not apply anymore. The rule is what it is. Yes we've been on the bad end it too. So have other teams. I think Dez's was catch too. But the way the rule is written, it wasn't. Like I said, I don't like the rule, but agree with the callHow isthat a bad rule? The defensive back is already stripped of the ability to play physical with the wide receiver and must keep his hands off until the ball gets there. This is basically his only chance to make a play to breakup the pass, by knocking it out. There is absolutely no way that should be a catch and the rule is correct. It would seem so wrong if that's a catch, considering the player was really unable to secure the ball.
I'm not just saying that because it's the Giants, either. Earlier this season, Scott Chandler had a play in the endzone that was similar where he got the ball knocked out, although I think he technically got two feet down. It was the right the call and the rule should stay int he rulebook.
I think he made "a football move", which does not apply anymore. The rule is what it is. Yes we've been on the bad end it too. So have other teams. I think Dez's was catch too. But the way the rule is written, it wasn't. Like I said, I don't like the rule, but agree with the call
For any of the lunatics here or anyone with Giants friends who claim that OBJ got robbed of a TD last night, that play immediately brought back memories from 4 years ago….
2011 AFCCG, Ravens @ Pats, Sterling Moore strips the ball from a ‘would-be’ catch by Lee Evans….
Exhibit A:
NFL video of same play:
Evans' dropped pass costs Ravens - NFL Videos
Any further questions?
Nah, didn’t think so…
I don't really understand why it wasn't a catch, but I am one who thinks that pretty much everything should be a catchI think its pretty clear to anyone watching football the last few years that is was an incompletion - those trying to make that seem like a legit catch are either Giants fans or have an axe to grind against NE.
I also love the logic that the Giants win if that's called a TD - right because a 2 min TD drive is totally impossible for the Patriots and TB12...
This was a coaching failure. From Beckham's post game interview:
Q: Did you have to make a move of some sort after you were already down?
A: No. I didn't think you had to do anything else but catch the ball and get two feet in the end zone. I don't really know much more.
Isn't it up to the coaches to ensure that the receivers understand the criteria for a catch?
I also love the logic that the Giants win if that's called a TD - right because a 2 min TD drive is totally impossible for the Patriots and TB12...
OK...hate this football move talk. How about this scenario, WR in endzone with both feet down. He catches ball away from his body. Work with me here....say he just keeps that position like a statue. No football move necessary..right? He is just standing there in the end zone , catches ball with arms extended, then never moves. This would be a TD...right?
The question arises when a defender comes in and knocks ball loose...In my scenario, it's not about a "football move", it's about timing..how long did he have it in that position before it was knocked away. I don't think the NFL addresses this, "football move" doesn't fit IMO.
I hate to use the term "football move" but Odell never made a football move. A running back who crosses the plane has already established possession. A receiver who is coming down in the end zone didn't have possession to begin with. Since the ball was knocked out, he has to first show that he controlled it - with a "football move".
The only ones disagreeing are Giants fans.
The ball was knocked out at the same time as he got his second foot down while he was trying to control the ball....he did not have control and both feet down....I disagree. Ball is caught and not moving, both feet on the ground it should be a catch.
Right call, bad rule.
If the roles were reversed and that was Gronk I would have been screaming that it was a catch.
I disagree. Ball is caught and not moving, both feet on the ground it should be a catch.
Right call, bad rule.
If the roles were reversed and that was Gronk I would have been screaming that it was a catch.