Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[lancerman]

If you don’t believe a prospect is a first round talent then you shouldn’t take him, or you should trade back and take him later.

This isn't a top heavy draft. By your logic, if the most likely scenario of Ward/Hunter/Carter going top 3 plays out, nobody should pick at 4 because there's questions about anybody that is projected next. But somebody will have to pick at 4 and any team we try to trade with will low ball us for the exact same reason we would try to trade down.

You do not approach a draft in the context of every other draft in history. You see what the board is and approach it for what it is. If this was last year, the 4 pick would be double or triple the value it is this year because the team trading for it is getting either a top ranked QB OR a generational WR/OT prospect. This year they aren't.

So you are either picking somebody or trading down, losing them, settling for another guy in the top 10 that has question marks, and not getting any impressive return (maybe an extra 2nd).

 

[signbabybrady]

Both Tet and Harry produced in the BIG12, both big bodied WR’s from schools in Arizona… but sure, beyond that no similarities.

Drew Henson and Brady went to the same school with similar traits but sure beyond that no similarities

 

[Thelonious]

Maybe, but it’s a crying shame our young franchise QB will once again have to carry the offense through the season without one redzone threat or capable playmaker.

As someone said in another thread,
How long does it take to solve a positional problem? It’s been 5 ****ing seasons since the Pats have had any player that could qualify as close to a #1 WR.

It’s honestly impressive to be so horrible at signing or drafting a receiver for so long.

If we were to stipulate that WR and O'line are in an equally perilous state (I personally do not think this is the case: there is at least SOME potential in the WR room, aside from one guy on the O-line there is essentially none.)

But if we hypothesize both rooms are equally lousy, the question then becomes which position is more important. I think it's O-line, because O-line affects EVERY aspect of the offense, and because even serviceable O-linemen are generally significantly harder to find in the draft and in free agency than serviceable WR's.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Tet McMillan is closer to being Drake London than he is to being N'Keal Harry.

Watching Tet McMillan on film is a lot like watching Drake London. They're not twins but they're very similar athletes and receivers. Being a Pats fan in Atlanta I've probably seen more of Drake London than almost everybody on this board (and I don't say watching Falcons games as a point of pride).

The Falcons have been and will always be a clown organization, but one of the few things they got right was drafting Drake London. He is a stud. However good you think he is, he's actually better. If he wasn't catching balls from the likes of Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ridder, his stats would be a lot better, but he's still a true number one receiver. If Tet was Drake I'd be pretty happy (although it would be great if we could trade down a few slots and still get him)

While Tet's measurables and film are slightly better than Drake's at USC, I can't speak to his temperament. To use a phrase commonly reserved for offensive linemen, Drake plays nasty and angry. He's a great blocker and is always looking to punish defensive players. He has that proverbial chip on his shoulder. As big as Tet is, if he plays that way also, I'd love to have him on the Pats

 

[TommyD4207]

He was out of the league in...2 years? 3 years?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

He was out of the league in...2 years? 3 years?

T-Mac ran about a 4.53 according to adjusted times for all the scouts. Which is the same as Mike Evans

 

[Ochmed Jones]

McMillan’s tape feels like harry (part 3 since Polk is part 2)

 

[Ray Ray 717]

McMillan’s tape feels like harry (part 3 since Polk is part 2)

Not at all. He doesn’t resemble Harry at all in any tape I’ve studied. You must have PTSD

 

[Ray Ray 717]

The Patriots fan cycle the last 6 years.

Regular season: "OMG I can't watch these WR's, they drop everything and can't get separation, our passing game is archaic"

Offseason: beggars becoming choosers and people crying about how high you need to draft one or how expensive the good ones are.

This fanbase has actually developed a reputation throughout the league over this.

You hit the nail on the head. In order to get talent, you have to pony up for it. Nothing comes at a discount or a bargain.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

The thought of a good/great LT excites me more than a good/great X receiver.

The thought of an average/ok X receiver excites me way more than an average/ok LT.

Obviously less than solid at either spot doesn't excite me at all. An average/ok starting LT is someone everyone here will ***** and moan about and want to replace, while an average/ok X receiver is someone people will be happy to have playing a big role even if not the #1 target.

With Campbell it's just really concerning to me that even the people who want him aren't typically touting him as being great. It's all "even with the short arms I think he can be decent enough." That's just so uninspiring and points to someone that maybe stops the bleeding at LT but everyone will transition in short order to not wanting a better LT so he can kick inside to LG.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Not at all. He doesn’t resemble Harry at all in any tape I’ve studied. You must have PTSD

Incredible!! People who have never played this game before commenting on tape!!!!
Let’s just hope he winds up with the jets!!!!!

 

[Ray Ray 717]

McMillan’s tape feels like harry (part 3 since Polk is part 2)

Let’s compare the college tape & measurables of Harry and McMillan since you brought it up

measurables: T-Mac owns a 2” height advantage over Harry, along with possessing a considerably longer wingspan and much bigger hands. Both weigh about the same.

Athleticism: T-Mac is a smooth and fluid moving athlete for his size. He is elusive and fantastic at changing direction. T-Mac has elite body control to track and adjust to the ball. Harry is not explosive, not twitchy, he’s stiff, rigid, and uncoordinated when asked to change directions or use his hips.

Hands: T-Mac has an outstanding catch radius to win contested catches, red-zone targets, and back-shoulder fades. T-Mac does great job of extending his hands to catch at the release point, and he is the best prospect in many years at timing the high point. Harry dropped balls, alligator armed catches, and lacked elite ball tracking ability.

Speed: both ran the same 40 time

Yards after catch: T-Mac is a great run-after-catch option, wins with strength, agility, and elusiveness in the open field. Harry possessed no yards after catch ability often going down from the first tackle and unable to find the open field and run away from defenders.

Route Running: T-Mac is adept at finding soft spots in zone. There’s no lumbering or difficulty in breaking down on a comeback route. He showcases fluidity and sharpness in his cuts, enabling him to separate from defenders on intermediate and deep routes.
His understanding of timing and positioning allows him to get open on a variety of route concepts from slants to fades to posts and beyond. He shows strong awareness and balance when making adjustments mid-route to accommodate off-target throws, making him a reliable target.

Harry struggled to sink his hips and couldn’t play with lower body flexibility in his route tree. Harry lacked the ability to unveil a top gear or gain any separation mostly relying on winning contested catches. He lacked an understanding of leverage and how to separate with route stems, and had no ability to adjust his routes.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Incredible!! People who have never played this game before commenting on tape!!!!
Let’s just hope he winds up with the jets!!!!!

You don’t know anything about me. What did you play? I seriously question your judgement if you think T-Mac is similar to Harry in ability

 

[lancerman]

McMillan’s tape feels like harry (part 3 since Polk is part 2)

You listed 3 wide receivers who nobody sane would compare to each other.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

You listed 3 wide receivers who nobody sane would compare to each other.

Many patriots fans have severe PTSD when it comes to the wide receiver position.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

that there is more than some truth to the idea that he has separation issues.

you watch lsu? then you should have known those games weren't "stinkers". thats some bad faith right there, smh.

The games by the mentioned wideouts were stinkers. You either knew that and are being petulant or you’re not smart enough to know. Either way, nice try. Good boy

 

[PScottman]

Should we only take guys who are HOFers?

Sure, that's well known by everyone. That's why the drafts are such a sure thing right because every player's future is already set based on their pro days and the combine, etc, etc, etc.

 

[KCSVEN]

It would be gut wrenching/heartbreaking if we reach for Campbell at 4, he gets moved to guard, and someone like McMillan goes next and he ends up becoming a 12 touchdown per year type player while our red zone offense continues to rank 32nd in the NFL.

How can you pass up a player at 4 who has huge potential to score a lot of touchdowns? I even have a hard time passing up Jeanty the RB at 4th overall for a guard.

You can always find good guards later in the draft, but pro bowl wide receivers and running backs are hard to come by, as you can tell by the massive contracts they earn.

You have to determine which prospect is a bigger question mark. I don't know the answer to that and not clear there is one.

Tet has bad separation data against man, which is a major data point in terms of success in the NFL. It's like having short arms as a tackle, there is an outlier here and there that succeed anyway.

His chance to succeed as a WR is equal to Campbell as a Tackle based on the metrics, but he can't move to TE like Campbell can move to guard.

Campbell may find a niche role in the RZ even with all that but is that worth the 4th pick?

Campbell odds of being a pro bowl LT are probably higher that Tet becoming a Pro Bowl WR.

Jeanty- the issue is he's a RB, which have short shelf life on average. Also This RB class is VERY deep. Historically as a prospect I've seen him ranked around Leonard Fournette. Is that worth the 4th?

It's a 2-person non-QB draft, Carter and Hunter. NOBODY else is worth the 4th pick in the draft but this year but someone has to be the third NON-QB drafted this year.

There is a good chance only 1 of the next 6 non-QB's taken in this draft ever makes a pro bowl.
The most likely Pro Bowl player out of the next 6 is Campbell.

Unfortunately, it is a crap draft year for top of the draft outside Carter and Hunter.

Thus my suggestion to look into trading up to 2 or 3 if possible. Otherwise look to trade down but I doubt you'll get anyone willing to trade up.

 

[KCSVEN]

T-Mac ran about a 4.53 according to adjusted times for all the scouts. Which is the same as Mike Evans

Mike Evans always had great separation data, T-Mac does not.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Mike Evans always had great separation data, T-Mac does not.

Show the statistics and also make sure you include Evans playing with a Heisman trophy winning QB while T Mac played with a 5’8 friend whom he carried to college.