Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[Hyped]

16 inches

I am coming up with less than 16 inches. My math might be off, but ain't much of a difference.....straight-line-in-underwear-with-no-defender-wise....

 

[Wozzy]

Hard disagree man

Tee Higgins-rejuvenated is well worth the 4th pick

If I could get Tee Higgins and pay him like a rookie.. maybe. That’s a near sure thing because we know who Higgins is.

Tet could be an outright bust, the uncertainty makes that a nonstarter for me. WR’s have the highest failure rate of all offensive draft picks historically. I’d trade back and/or take my chances on a lineman.

If he ran a 4.2 forty and had agility drills of a smaller man he would be worth a 4th overall… he’s not that.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I just noticed that McMillan had 1,319 receiving yards last year while his team had a total 2,975. He accounted for 44% of the passing game. That has to count for something. He must have been double teamed like crazy.

With a 5’8” quarterback

 

[JayNM]

If I could get Tee Higgins and pay him like a rookie.. maybe. That’s a near sure thing because we know who Higgins is.

Tet could be an outright bust, the uncertainty makes that a nonstarter for me. WR’s have the highest failure rate of all offensive draft picks historically. I’d trade back and/or take my chances on a lineman.

If he ran a 4.2 forty and had agility drills of a smaller man he would be worth a 4th overall… he’s not that.

That's fair

Only argument that I have, based on what I know of this draft (barely nothing) is that all "first round" OTs are trash and they are more likely than not be worth the 4th pick (then again, if they are a solid 10 year starter at G eventually,...). Tough discussion, because Tet is the one guy I have been enamored with in this class

 

[Ray Ray 717]

We need O-linemen more than we need yet another middling WR prospect. We have - what? - thirty of them at this point? You have a far better chance historically of an unexpectedly good result drafting WR's in the middlish rounds than you do drafting a positive surprise at OL, certainly a LT, in those rounds.

History says otherwise

Patriots have hit on quite a few O lineman in middle rounds of draft while they have busted egregiously bad on wide receivers

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I think we need to drop this fanboy obsession with the WR position and get the basics of a functioning team -

fanboy obsession or desire to equip our franchise QB with a competent receiving weapon during his most important developmental years?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

One hears talk (Cowherd, e.g.) about the Pats being "competitive" this year, even "in the playoff hunt." This is utter nonsense, and such a hope - delusion - should play no role in any drafting or trade decisions. This will be at least a two-year rebuild, and decisions should be made on that basis, not on fans' need for immediate gratification.

We have been waiting 6 years for a playoff win. How much more patience should we have? We now going to wait 9 years for a playoff win? You have the patient of a saint

 

[lancerman]

Might become a solid WR, see Tee Higgins, in that worth the #4 overall?

No is the answer.

There's no sure things that high after Carter and Hunter. I have more questions with the lineman than Tet

 

[Wozzy]

That's fair

Only argument that I have, based on what I know of this draft (barely nothing) is that all "first round" OTs are trash and they are more likely than not be worth the 4th pick (then again, if they are a solid 10 year starter at G eventually,...). Tough discussion, because Tet is the one guy I have been enamored with in this class

I haven’t done a full breakdown of the draft class, usually happens in April after all the pro days have finished. We’re working on partial information now.

I also never accept mass media coverage, like “this draft is poor” because the media guys do next to no actual evaluation… most just rehash what they’ve been told.

We were told Logan Mankins or Richard Seymour weren’t worthy of their draft positions by media “experts,” and that turned out to be garbage.

There’s probably a stud OT or even WR who can be had later in the draft or if they trade back at 4. I just don’t think you extend that high pick for a 4.5 forty WR afraid to run agility drills.

 

[Wozzy]

There's no sure things that high after Carter and Hunter. I have more questions with the lineman than Tet

Is he Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald?

He ran a 4.5 forty at his pro day, the one thing I’m sure of is he does not possess elite speed or agility.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel desperate at the WR position. That’s how you end up taking Polk when he should have been drafted just ahead of Baker.

 

[signbabybrady]

We need O-linemen more than we need yet another middling WR prospect. We have - what? - thirty of them at this point? You have a far better chance historically of an unexpectedly good result drafting WR's in the middlish rounds than you do drafting a positive surprise at OL, certainly a LT, in those rounds. We should draft accordingly, which would include passing on any WR draftee with the 4th pick. I think we need to drop this fanboy obsession with the WR position and get the basics of a functioning team - nothing more basic than line play - in place first. We certainly should not waste resources on a "proven" (i.e. expensive and soon washed-up) WR who will be done for by the time the team is actually competitive in a couple years.

One hears talk (Cowherd, e.g.) about the Pats being "competitive" this year, even "in the playoff hunt." This is utter nonsense, and such a hope - delusion - should play no role in any drafting or trade decisions. This will be at least a two-year rebuild, and decisions should be made on that basis, not on fans' need for immediate gratification.

Everything we do should be done with the goal of getting in the playoff hunt. It might take two or 3 years but if we aren't aggressively trying then we just waste another year like last year. We have to shoot for the playoffs and if we come up short hopefully getting a little closer is just the first step.

Some players might only help us climb the first step or two and not be here if/when we reach the top of the steps doesn't mean we shouldn't go after someone to help us start the climb.

96 eventually helped us reach our goals in 01 and those were years apart.

Can't hold anything back if we want to climb out of this hole.

 

[Thelonious]

History says otherwise

Patriots have hit on quite a few O lineman in middle rounds of draft while they have busted egregiously bad on wide receivers

Thankfully, the person most responsible for all those terrible WR choices is gone*, and the statistics which apply to teams which draft well hopefully now apply to the Pats. Those stats show that O-linemen, LT's in particular, are rarely available in the draft after the first round, and that if they are sound they rarely show up in free agency either.

Wolf, unfortunately, who contributed to the failed WR draftee is, unfortunately still here. Hopefully Robert will recover from his mancrush and will toss him as well at some point.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel desperate at the WR position. That’s how you end up taking Polk when he should have been drafted just ahead of Baker.

You can say this same statement about almost every player with top ten consideration this year.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they want to finish the DL rebuild with a light heavyweight like Graham.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on just a TE (Warren).

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on an LT who projects to guard.

You can even do it with Carter and Hunter.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel the best prospect is some two way gimmick.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on another defensive player especially one with foot issues.

 

[Thelonious]

We have been waiting 6 years for a playoff win. How much more patience should we have? We now going to wait 9 years for a playoff win? You have the patient of a saint

The need to be patient arises out of the fact that for the past five years or more the team has been badly GM'd and badly HC'd. Such deficiencies exact a price and that bill is still due. Impatiently snatching at shiny objects will not get that account straightened out;

 

[Thelonious]

fanboy obsession or desire to equip our franchise QB with a competent receiving weapon during his most important developmental years?

I'd rather see to it that he does not get injured or rendered gun-shy (It does happen.) because he is playing behind and incompetently-contructed O-line. He won't be able to throw the ball to your glitzy WR if he is on his ass the whole game anyway.

 

[Thelonious]

Everything we do should be done with the goal of getting in the playoff hunt. It might take two or 3 years but if we aren't aggressively trying then we just waste another year like last year. We have to shoot for the playoffs and if we come up short hopefully getting a little closer is just the first step.

Some players might only help us climb the first step or two and not be here if/when we reach the top of the steps doesn't mean we shouldn't go after someone to help us start the climb.

96 eventually helped us reach our goals in 01 and those were years apart.

Can't hold anything back if we want to climb out of this hole.

I made no comment as to how "aggressive" we should be: the answer is, "as aggressive as the facts allow. My comment was regarding what sort of players we should draft, not on how "aggressively" we should pursue them.

 

[signbabybrady]

They are better of shoring up the LT position this year and using a 1st rounder next year on a wr.

Not saying its on you but we've been over this a thousand times on the surface I don't think many disagree about LT.

But if Tet is just the better prospect than Campbell you might still need both again next year if you force Campbell. Same for the other way around too.

Wolf and Vrabel really are getting put in the fire on this decision. It's not quite like last year where there really was no choice but to go Maye.

Not going to be a good look if Vrabel screws up his first pick with us and it could get Wolf fired.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Thankfully, the person most responsible for all those terrible WR choices is gone, and the statistics which apply to teams which draft well hopefully now apply to the Pats. Those stats show that O-linemen, LT's in particular, are rarely available in the draft after the first round, and that if they are sound they rarely show up in free agency either.

I hope you are right. Since your a stats guy, how many 32 5”8 wingspan lineman have made great left tackles in the nfl?

If you want to draft the left tackle position, make sure you get the right guy

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I'd rather see to it that he does not get injured or rendered gun-shy (It does happen.) because he is playing behind and incompetently-contructed O-line. He won't be able to throw the ball to your glitzy WR if he is on his ass the whole game anyway.

Maybe, but it’s a crying shame our young franchise QB will once again have to carry the offense through the season without one redzone threat or capable playmaker.

As someone said in another thread,
How long does it take to solve a positional problem? It’s been 5 ****ing seasons since the Pats have had any player that could qualify as close to a #1 WR.

It’s honestly impressive to be so horrible at signing or drafting a receiver for so long.

 

[signbabybrady]

History says otherwise

Patriots have hit on quite a few O lineman in middle rounds of draft while they have busted egregiously bad on wide receivers

fanboy obsession or desire to equip our franchise QB with a competent receiving weapon during his most important developmental years?

We have been waiting 6 years for a playoff win. How much more patience should we have? We now going to wait 9 years for a playoff win? You have the patient of a saint

I hope you are right. Since your a stats guy, how many 32 5”8 wingspan lineman have made great left tackles in the nfl?

If you want to draft the left tackle position, make sure you get the right guy