Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[TommyD4207]

Jones was just big. Nothing about his game required him to be a contested catch guy. His route running was the elite of the elite.

I think that's kind of the point. If you're drafting a WR in the top 5, he damn well better be able to separate. The days of Keyshawn Johnson going #1 overall are 30 years behind us.

 

[signbabybrady]

All true. I draft none of those people at 4.

I didn't know you were down on Carter. I trust your college judgement so now you're scaring me on someone else.

I had settled on over drafting someone at 4 if Carter and Henry were gone. But since we Signed Milt and Landry I'd prefer the pick to be on offense but I wasn't passing up Carter just to force it. Now you're making me second guess him too lol this draft is rough.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

I think that's kind of the point. If you're drafting a WR in the top 5, he damn well better be able to separate. The days of Keyshawn Johnson going #1 overall are 30 years behind us.

Even with jones, one can debate if he was truly worth the spot he was picked. Never mind what they traded to get to that spot.

 

[The Gr8est]

Not to mention Parker had a pretty good career before he got here. We just got him at the end.

Obviously you don't take Parker at 4 overall but if we think Tet's floor is Parker and the sky is the limit then I'm all in.

Define pretty good career.

The Dolphins were not worried about sending him to a divisional rival.

As Groucho Marx once said “I refuse to join any club that would have ME as a member”.

Or something.

 

[Rob0729]

Hilarious hype tweet.
Half those plays the vaunted West Virginia defense (99th in yards allowed, 101st in PPG), they weren't even lined up.

If you're drafting a guy #4 based on this, well, I guess you can work for Woody Johnson.

I am not advocating for the Pats to draft or not to draft the guy. I have said many times on this board that I am not a draftnick and I know little about the college prospects. I am just stating that I think people are bringing past experiences into their evaluations of this guy because of guys like NKeal Harry.

I just grabbed the first video I found of the guy online. Again, I don't follow college football.

 

[Steve102]

Some WR that nobody cares about will be passed over and then hit the NFL blowing up the league.

He is out there.

This type of common sense will not be tolerated around these parts, Mister.

 

[TommyD4207]

Even with jones, one can debate if he was truly worth the spot he was picked. Never mind what they traded to get to that spot.

It's a good debate, because his cliff was sharp. He was made of glass, and once he hit 30 he was done. But without him the Atlanta Falcons don't ever win as much as they did.

 

[Rob0729]

 

[TommyD4207]

I didn't know you were down on Carter. I trust your college judgement so now you're scaring me on someone else.

I had settled on over drafting someone at 4 if Carter and Henry were gone. But since we Signed Milt and Landry I'd prefer the pick to be on offense but I wasn't passing up Carter just to force it. Now you're making me second guess him too lol this draft is rough.

I mean, none of these guys are bad prospects, really. I get why people like McMillan, I just am not enamored by his skills sets. Similarly, I don't think Carter's a bad player, he's just not worth #4. #4 is for Myles Garrett. Jared Verse (18), Chop Robinson (21)...that's about where he should go in a normal draft. A typical first-round EDGE available in every draft. Considering EDGE isn't a pressing need, you can get that guy next year in the draft if you need to.

It's Hunter or nobody at 4, to me. If it's someone else, I'll be really disappointed they blew the draft pick. A lot of the issue I'm having (and lots of people are having, and it's understandable because we NEVER pick this high not needing a QB), is the value in which the #4 pick holds. At 4, you're taking a 10-year starter and pro bowler, that's the expectation. You're not taking a guy who you'd question on picking up their 5th year option. You might be in that situation with Carter or McMillan or Campbell.

 

[signbabybrady]

Define pretty good career.

The Dolphins were not worried about sending him to a divisional rival.

As Groucho Marx once said “I refuse to join any club that would have ME as a member”.

Or something.

You know I just went and looked up his stats again and other than the one year he put up 1200 they weren't quite as good as I remembered.

Tet better be better than that to justify 4 but I'm not going to let my bad example sway me.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think the question remains do you see this guy making an impact like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, Tory Holt or Randy Moss who dropped. If not, don’t take him.

 

[JohnJH]

Jones was just big. Nothing about his game required him to be a contested catch guy. His route running was the elite of the elite. A real pleasure to watch him excite his craft the way he did

Dude was only a whole different level.

 

[PatsFan2]

You do know that you should add at least 0.1 sec to hand times pro day 40s, if you want to estimate what his laser timed (combine) 40 would have been, right. So, the time is closer to 4.58, which is what he looks like on firm. You fell for his and his agent's plan.

Are Pro Days Hand-Timed?

Are pro days hand-timed, and how else do they differ from the NFL Combine? Here's more information on the pro day circuit and how teams navigate through it.

www.profootballnetwork.com

Hand-timed 40-yard dash metrics aren’t as appealing for scouts and evaluators, but there’s a reason schools stick with them, and it’s fairly simple. Because a person times these runs with a stopwatch at the 40-yard mark, they’re more susceptible to human error and minute delays in response. The result? Generally, you get faster times.

It’s a known imperfection of the process surrounding pro days, but it’s one that’s here to stay. On top of stopwatches being cheaper than laser technology, they also provide the best numerical result for players. And because pro days are dictated by each individual school, putting prospects in the best position is what matters most. Arizona State football official Markus Alleyne echoed these sentiments in an article in the Sports Business Journal in 2021.

“Lasers are always slower, but any advantage that we can provide our kids, we’re going to do that. So we make the decision whether we’ll hold [the pro day] on grass or the turf. Turf is faster than grass, so we hold it on turf. Inside or outside? Inside has more regulated conditions, so we hold it inside. We try to give our student-athletes the best advantage possible."

At a Gaudy 6'4 219 you forgot that.

 

[Rob0729]

 

[signbabybrady]

I mean, none of these guys are bad prospects, really. I get why people like McMillan, I just am not enamored by his skills sets. Similarly, I don't think Carter's a bad player, he's just not worth #4. #4 is for Myles Garrett. Jared Verse (18), Chop Robinson (21)...that's about where he should go in a normal draft. A typical first-round EDGE available in every draft. Considering EDGE isn't a pressing need, you can get that guy next year in the draft if you need to.

It's Hunter or nobody at 4, to me. If it's someone else, I'll be really disappointed they blew the draft pick. A lot of the issue I'm having (and lots of people are having, and it's understandable because we NEVER pick this high not needing a QB), is the value in which the #4 pick holds. At 4, you're taking a 10-year starter and pro bowler, that's the expectation. You're not taking a guy who you'd question on picking up their 5th year option. You might be in that situation with Carter or McMillan or Campbell.

Fair enough. And I'm firmly in the Hunter camp I even want to consider trading up for him even though the cost will be steep. Also I think if Tenn doesn't go QB they are taking him so it's probably completely out of our control.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yes, they absolutely should.
I might have an ulterior motive for that.

 

[TommyD4207]

Fair enough. And I'm firmly in the Hunter camp I even want to consider trading up for him even though the cost will be steep. Also I think if Tenn doesn't go QB they are taking him so it's probably completely out of our control.

If this were (presumably) next year's draft, and we were another year into the rebuild, and shown a bunch of improvement in 2025, I'd be more ok with trading up.

Like, all things being equal, I'd think about trading up to get him.

Can't do it this year though, they need draft capital the next two years, and have to hit, a lot.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I mean, none of these guys are bad prospects, really. I get why people like McMillan, I just am not enamored by his skills sets. Similarly, I don't think Carter's a bad player, he's just not worth #4. #4 is for Myles Garrett. Jared Verse (18), Chop Robinson (21)...that's about where he should go in a normal draft. A typical first-round EDGE available in every draft. Considering EDGE isn't a pressing need, you can get that guy next year in the draft if you need to.

It's Hunter or nobody at 4, to me. If it's someone else, I'll be really disappointed they blew the draft pick. A lot of the issue I'm having (and lots of people are having, and it's understandable because we NEVER pick this high not needing a QB), is the value in which the #4 pick holds. At 4, you're taking a 10-year starter and pro bowler, that's the expectation. You're not taking a guy who you'd question on picking up their 5th year option. You might be in that situation with Carter or McMillan or Campbell.

Appreciate your viewpoint. The issue is if everyone feels the same way you do, who is going to trade up to 4? You’re going to have to provide a steep discount on the usual return for trading out from 4 in order to entice a buyer. And in that case, it may just be worthwhile to make the pick at 4. And certainly you have to make the pick if you’re unable to convince anyone to trade up.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

The University of Arizona's team name is the wild cat

 

[PatsFan2]

You do know that you should add at least 0.1 sec to hand times pro day 40s, if you want to estimate what his laser timed (combine) 40 would have been, right. So, the time is closer to 4.58, which is what he looks like on firm. You fell for his and his agent's plan.

Are Pro Days Hand-Timed?

Are pro days hand-timed, and how else do they differ from the NFL Combine? Here's more information on the pro day circuit and how teams navigate through it.

www.profootballnetwork.com

Hand-timed 40-yard dash metrics aren’t as appealing for scouts and evaluators, but there’s a reason schools stick with them, and it’s fairly simple. Because a person times these runs with a stopwatch at the 40-yard mark, they’re more susceptible to human error and minute delays in response. The result? Generally, you get faster times.

It’s a known imperfection of the process surrounding pro days, but it’s one that’s here to stay. On top of stopwatches being cheaper than laser technology, they also provide the best numerical result for players. And because pro days are dictated by each individual school, putting prospects in the best position is what matters most. Arizona State football official Markus Alleyne echoed these sentiments in an article in the Sports Business Journal in 2021.

“Lasers are always slower, but any advantage that we can provide our kids, we’re going to do that. So we make the decision whether we’ll hold [the pro day] on grass or the turf. Turf is faster than grass, so we hold it on turf. Inside or outside? Inside has more regulated conditions, so we hold it inside. We try to give our student-athletes the best advantage possible."

Don't know what you're trying to prove but the BB/Brady era is over. They're both banging young chicks you need to move on.