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Stat/Fact that is mind boggling: Brady has only lost 9 times to teams w/losing record

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Tom Brady is in his 12th NFL season as a starter.
In his career he has lost 9 games to teams that finished the season with losing records*

Take a minute to think about that. It is just insane.








*Assumes that the Jets finish this year with a losing record and the bengals and Panthers do not.
 
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Tom Brady is in his 12th NFL season as a starter.
In his career he has lost 9 games to teams that finished the season with losing records*

Take a minute to think about that. It is just insane.








*Assumes that the Jets finish this year with a losing record and the bengals and Panthers do not.

That is ridiculous! Thank you for sharing.
 
I'm sure Tom as impressed with that stat as we are.
 
The next questions are how many teams that finished the season with losing records has he faced and how does this compare to other top tier QB's???

IMO the most incredible statistic is to have 102 more wins than losses.....
 
Stat/Fact that is mind boggling to me

The next questions are how many teams that finished the season with losing records has he faced and how does this compare to other top tier QB's???

IMO the most incredible statistic is to have 102 more wins than losses.....

Feel free to research that
I think it is self evident. Assuming about half his games are against losing teams that gives you something like 80-9.
 
That is quite amazing.

You bring up an interesting topic that involves QB records and although I don't get too wrapped around the whole "best of all time" debate, its been said that a QB's legacy is defined by what they do in the postseason.
For that to apply, a QB needs to demonstrate the following:

1. The number of trips to the postseason
This gives value to the consistency of their team's performance in the regular season. I like to refer to this as the Eli factor. He's had some great runs in the post season and a lot of media members like to throw out the elite word around him when he has, but over the course of his career, he's had some significant down years. Over a 10 year career, a QB must go to the post season at least 7 times (just my opinion)

2. Won/loss record combined with point 1. I like to refer to this as the Peyton factor. Great regular record, great stats but boy, his record in the playoffs (9-11) really will be the asterisk when discussing the all time greats. This also takes into consideration those QB's that have great winning percentages (Trent Dilfer) but have had few trips to the postseason. A great QB over a 10 year career would have at least 7 trips to the postseason and would win 2/3 of their games (just throwing out rough numbers). That would require 3 or more games played each playoff season which would mean you would need to advance to the SB or the conference championship game. It would also imply that this QB would play in at least 21 playoff games (7 trips x 3) and win 14 of them (2/3).

3. Super Bowl wins
If the QB has met the above 2 qualifications, then this is the final factor.


This really in my opinion simply determines who earns the right to be considered in the pool of all time greats and looks at post season performance and the following in no particular order would make up this group:

Tom Brady 17-7 3 SB wins
Joe Montana 16-7 4 SB wins
John Elway 14-7 2 SB wins

An argument could be made for others (Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach given there was one less playoff game when they played) but in my view eliminates others that have performed well in the playoffs but have had fewer trips (Troy Aikman).
This certainly isn't something to write a thesis on and is not without argument but tries to establish measurement.

Sorry for hijacking your thread AJ, but you inspired me to consider this on a slow Saturday morning (and allows me to procrastinate a little more before having to do my honey-do's for the day).
 
That is quite amazing.

You bring up an interesting topic that involves QB records and although I don't get too wrapped around the whole "best of all time" debate, its been said that a QB's legacy is defined by what they do in the postseason.
For that to apply, a QB needs to demonstrate the following:

1. The number of trips to the postseason
This gives value to the consistency of their team's performance in the regular season. I like to refer to this as the Eli factor. He's had some great runs in the post season and a lot of media members like to throw out the elite word around him when he has, but over the course of his career, he's had some significant down years. Over a 10 year career, a QB must go to the post season at least 7 times (just my opinion)

2. Won/loss record combined with point 1. I like to refer to this as the Peyton factor. Great regular record, great stats but boy, his record in the playoffs (9-11) really will be the asterisk when discussing the all time greats. This also takes into consideration those QB's that have great winning percentages (Trent Dilfer) but have had few trips to the postseason. A great QB over a 10 year career would have at least 7 trips to the postseason and would win 2/3 of their games (just throwing out rough numbers). That would require 3 or more games played each playoff season which would mean you would need to advance to the SB or the conference championship game. It would also imply that this QB would play in at least 21 playoff games (7 trips x 3) and win 14 of them (2/3).

3. Super Bowl wins
If the QB has met the above 2 qualifications, then this is the final factor.


This really in my opinion simply determines who earns the right to be considered in the pool of all time greats and looks at post season performance and the following in no particular order would make up this group:

Tom Brady 17-7 3 SB wins
Joe Montana 16-7 4 SB wins
John Elway 14-7 2 SB wins

An argument could be made for others (Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach given there was one less playoff game when they played) but in my view eliminates others that have performed well in the playoffs but have had fewer trips (Troy Aikman).
This certainly isn't something to write a thesis on and is not without argument but tries to establish measurement.

Sorry for hijacking your thread AJ, but you inspired me to consider this on a slow Saturday morning (and allows me to procrastinate a little more before having to do my honey-do's for the day).

Please do not apologize for that excellent post.
 
It's hilarious how people were talking about Eli as this elite QB. They only win SBs when the D starts playing like it is the best in football and Eli stops being the **** up that he normally is.

Interestingly enough that goes for Peyton also if you consider his only SB run.
 
Thank you for the complement, Galeb.

I just read the 'Do you even respect Peyton Manning' thread and I see later on that the listing of all time QB's is made so I probably should have posted there although I wasn't really drawn to the title of the thread.

Also, this list and criteria applies only to Super Bowl era QB's only because I was just too lazy to look up others (Unitas, Graham, Starr, Baugh) and wasn't too sure how applicable my criteria would be.

In addition, I went to the pub for a pint about an hour ago (still here actually) and brought up this topic to a fellow hard core NFL fan and he suggested that using just a minimum number games (7 years out of 10 X 3 games/yr = 21 games) should be the minimum but then further refined to 70% of QB's season's resulting in playoff appearances since a guy now can play 15 years and 7 appearances doesn't measure consistency as well.
 
Very interesting stat Andy.

I'm curious to know how many of those teams Brady lost to were from divisional opponents. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them were, considering division games are always tough no matter what.
 
Very interesting stat Andy.

I'm curious to know how many of those teams Brady lost to were from divisional opponents. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them were, considering division games are always tough no matter what.

Good question
2013 Jets
2012 Cards
2011 Bills
2010 Browns
2009 Dolphins
2008 none
2007 none
2006 Dolphins
2005 none
2004 Dolphins
2003 Redskins, Bills
2002 none
2001 none

So that is 6 of 9.
Also, the 2012 Cardinals are the only losing team to beat Tom Brady at home in his career.
 
Thank you for the complement, Galeb.

I just read the 'Do you even respect Peyton Manning' thread and I see later on that the listing of all time QB's is made so I probably should have posted there although I wasn't really drawn to the title of the thread.

Also, this list and criteria applies only to Super Bowl era QB's only because I was just too lazy to look up others (Unitas, Graham, Starr, Baugh) and wasn't too sure how applicable my criteria would be.

In addition, I went to the pub for a pint about an hour ago (still here actually) and brought up this topic to a fellow hard core NFL fan and he suggested that using just a minimum number games (7 years out of 10 X 3 games/yr = 21 games) should be the minimum but then further refined to 70% of QB's season's resulting in playoff appearances since a guy now can play 15 years and 7 appearances doesn't measure consistency as well.

Have you considered getting all of the data and filtering after? Seeing both would make for an interesting comparison.
 
Who wins. Tom Brady vs a Hurricane. But, the Hurricane is named Hurricane Brady.
 
After a td taken away on a horrible holding call

Sorry, didn't mean to evoke the demons but many of those games were memorable.
1) opening day 31-0 loss to Buffalo in '03 Lawyer Milloy game
2) wash loss in 03 on dropped 4 th down by Graham
3) 04 loss to Miami on MNF. 29-28
4) Arizona game last year
And that is nearly half off the top of my head
 
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