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Speculation regarding Brady's recovery setback rumors

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More specificly, the rumer that was circulating last week that Brady could miss the 2009 season. I believe this is total BS myself but who knows.

The Patriots have a history of underreporting/overreporting injury status for strategic purposes. Could these rumors of more Brady setbacks be started by the team? Would it be benificial for the team to perpetuate this rumor? Does it give them leverage in negotiations with Cassel?

I think that the more Brady's future is in question, the more value Cassel carries. Could this be a ploy to increase trade value for Cassel?
 
I think it's just Curran being wrong and refusing to move on from it. His latest article is all freaky about there being only about 8 months until the season starts, 7 months until preseason games start. But his timeline of gloom and doom makes no sense as ACL recovery is now 6 months. Even adding in a couple of weeks of slowdown for scar tissue removal the timeline still works.
 
Normally, I never buy into conspiracy theories concerning Belichick and the Pats, but in this case, it seems totally feasible. This is the sort of situation where the potential reward is huge, with Cassel being traded for possible multiple draft picks. Floating these kind of rumors strengthens the Patriots position and removes the scrutiny that would otherwise be there from the the use of the franchise tag. I'm not saying it's true, but it sure makes sense, especially that the most dire reports are coming from a guy that is more closely connected to the team than most.
 
You know, I'm really starting to get annoyed by Curran.
 
I think its the opposite. Since the pats keep things close to the vest (as pointed out by the OP), there is a vacuum of information.

The media abhors a vacuum, so its gets filled in with whatever scraps they can gather, right or wrong.

We the fan are left guessing what is correct, and what is not. There is no need for the pats to "plant" a story, as someone will step up and get it wrong...
 
any particular reason your comments couldn't be added to this thread?
 
More specificly, the rumer that was circulating last week that Brady could miss the 2009 season. I believe this is total BS myself but who knows.

The Patriots have a history of underreporting/overreporting injury status for strategic purposes. Could these rumors of more Brady setbacks be started by the team? Would it be benificial for the team to perpetuate this rumor? Does it give them leverage in negotiations with Cassel?

I think that the more Brady's future is in question, the more value Cassel carries. Could this be a ploy to increase trade value for Cassel?
Could be. Could be that BB does intend a franchise and trade and is setting up a defense for criticism ahead of time. Yes, I know the Bills did a franchise and trade of a FA several years ago, but it is relatively rare (certainly not one a year), and is not what the franchise tag was meant to be used for. Saying that other teams franchise and tag is about as good a defense as saying other teams try to steal signals. Okay for the Dolphins and Colts, but not for the Pats.

So BB could be preventing that by planting doubt. If so, well, BB respects Curran like he does Reiss, and he gives Reiss stuff all the time. Could be a smoke screen.

But...

But... the Curran Brady-rehab-not-on-schedule reports and the Brady-rehab on-schedule reports are not as contradictory as they sound.

Curran is saying that Brady has scar tissue which must be remove, necessitating another scoping, and more improtantly, he says the ACL and MCL are looser than they should be. No idea where he got that info, but if true, it would require another surgery which has two problems: 1) it cannot be done until the first is fully rehabbed, and 2) would require a full ACL rehab in itself.

People who dispute Curran say that Brady is on schedule because he is working out daily. No one has yet (that I've seen) directly disputed Curran and said, "No, Brady's ACL and MCL are not loose and they are fine."

Like everything else, there is more than one possibility even if all the facts are known. It isn't like there is a recovery that only can happen one way. Brady could recover fine, or the scar tissue/looseness could cause a problem.

I don't see this as Curran must be wrong because he is the only voice, at least until some in the Pats FO disputes him with more than, "Tom Brady is working out every day."

If it were Tomasse or Borges or one of the EEI donkeys, I might be more inclined to blow off the report. But just as with poor journalists we take with a grain of salt and say, "Prove it," we need to recongnize that some journalists are better and you will be right more than you will be wrong if you pay attention to Reiss, Curran, Gaspar, and Breer.
 
Has anyone wondered what the situation at his Job is like. Are they maybe looking for hits. I know we all respect him here but maybe things have not been quite as good on the national stage and maybe he needs this or the site needs this. If he winds up being wrong it is not like Thomasse spygate crap where it will blow up in his face because we are taking about rehab and recovery which is not as black and white as a source being truthful or not (which can be grey too).

Lets say he has the scope to remove scar tissue this would support him but if he came back for TC this would not support him but was he still not somewhat accurate. Or if he comes back on schedule we never hear of a scope but he clearly looks less mobile. What then? Is Curran wrong because he was back on time or right because he came back but maybe he is less mobile.
 
I don't understand the fan and media confusion over this.

If leaked reports were stating that Brady's knee was coming along fine, and that he was slated to start Week 1, and then they franchised Cassel, can you imagine the uproar from the players union and other team owners about the Patriots abusing the Franchise Tag in order to get a draft pick?

As it stands, the Patriots don't disclose health status period - but if they did, and were going to tag Cassel, stating that Brady had no health concerns is the LAST thing you would expect them to do.

These reports of recovery setbacks are EXACTLY what I'd expect if Brady's recovery was going along perfectly, given the desire to tag and trade Cassel.
 
I don't understand the fan and media confusion over this.

If leaked reports were stating that Brady's knee was coming along fine, and that he was slated to start Week 1, and then they franchised Cassel, can you imagine the uproar from the players union and other team owners about the Patriots abusing the Franchise Tag in order to get a draft pick?

As it stands, the Patriots don't disclose health status period - but if they did, and were going to tag Cassel, stating that Brady had no health concerns is the LAST thing you would expect them to do.

These reports of recovery setbacks are EXACTLY what I'd expect if Brady's recovery was going along perfectly, given the desire to tag and trade Cassel.

well what about the fact that there could really be a set back. That is where the confusion is. Is this a "plant" story so the Pats cover there ass or is it maybe true or maybe it is just wrong or maybe there is some truth but it we still don't know how it affects the season. Sure what your saying makes sense but just because it makes sense doesn't mean it is the case other things make sense as well.
 
well what about the fact that there could really be a set back. That is where the confusion is. Is this a "plant" story so the Pats cover there ass or is it maybe true or maybe it is just wrong or maybe there is some truth but it we still don't know how it affects the season. Sure what your saying makes sense but just because it makes sense doesn't mean it is the case other things make sense as well.


that's the genius of it.
 
More specificly, the rumer that was circulating last week that Brady could miss the 2009 season. I believe this is total BS myself but who knows.

The Patriots have a history of underreporting/overreporting injury status for strategic purposes. Could these rumors of more Brady setbacks be started by the team? Would it be benificial for the team to perpetuate this rumor? Does it give them leverage in negotiations with Cassel?

I think that the more Brady's future is in question, the more value Cassel carries. Could this be a ploy to increase trade value for Cassel?

Could be. I agree it's a possibility, mainly because I and several others have posted the exact same speculation in the numerous other Brady recovery threads.
 
If leaked reports were stating that Brady's knee was coming along fine, and that he was slated to start Week 1, and then they franchised Cassel, can you imagine the uproar from the players union and other team owners about the Patriots abusing the Franchise Tag in order to get a draft pick?

I don't seem to remember the uproar from the players union when the Chiefs did exactly the same thing with Jared Allen last year, or when the Jets did the same thing with Abraham the year before or...
 
I don't seem to remember the uproar from the players union when the Chiefs did exactly the same thing with Jared Allen last year, or when the Jets did the same thing with Abraham the year before or...

If the Chiefs were caught taping defensive signals, no one would give a crap. The Pats are under a microscope, especially now.
 
Synovia

That's different. They were not the Patriots. Remember your NFL order:

Colts
30 teams
Patriots

What will be very interesting is the reaction from Cassel's agents. They seem to be the most affected by this.

Do they approve of the franchise tag to get an optimal combination of money/organization? Would they stay quiet out of loyalty and respect/ gratitude?

Do they think the Pats are a long term viable option?

Is Cassel happy for $14 million and leave it there?
 
The Pats were under a microscope last year. Right now no one could give a crap about them.
 
well what about the fact that there could really be a set back. That is where the confusion is. Is this a "plant" story so the Pats cover there ass or is it maybe true or maybe it is just wrong or maybe there is some truth but it we still don't know how it affects the season. Sure what your saying makes sense but just because it makes sense doesn't mean it is the case other things make sense as well.

Of course you're right - and I'm also in the minority thinking that the Patriots need not trade Cassel before the draft (its not like they have a stronger need for extra draft picks this year compared to next) and might actually want to wait until early summer to see where Brady is.

But as far as leaks and rumors of news regarding Brady's health at this point, given the plan to franchise Cassel the Patriots had two options:

1. Leak a story that question's Brady's ability to play next year or,
2. Leak a story that question's Brady's ability to play next year.
 
I cant wait for the day we are speculating again how many td passes Brady will throw..
 
I think it's just Curran being wrong and refusing to move on from it. His latest article is all freaky about there being only about 8 months until the season starts, 7 months until preseason games start. But his timeline of gloom and doom makes no sense as ACL recovery is now 6 months. Even adding in a couple of weeks of slowdown for scar tissue removal the timeline still works.

He had ACL, MCL and infection. Any speculation of extended time needed is possible, but still speculation.

Curran's just trying to set himself up as a seer if brady takes a while which is entirely possible, but not definite.

He's a national reporter trying to work an angle. Why give it more creedence than it deserves.
 
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