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Despite being so terribly underpaid, Brady has managed to make more money in the NFL than any player in history not named Manning, somewhere around 210-215 million. Not including this season.
 
Doubt that Brady coming off a season-ending injury in 2008 would have matched Eli's deal in 2009. Hence, the one-year delay in extending him.
What are your thoughts in regards to extending Brady, Miguel? I assume that some consideration will be given after this upcoming season, but that they could end up just waiting the entire 2 year period and then reassessing the situation. I think that could be the case with Gronk, as well.

Yes, these are two extremely important, once in a generation type of players, but I don’t know if I would necessarily be in a rush to extend either one of them prior to the spring of 2019, at the earliest. Just curious as to where you stand. Apologies if you are constantly addressing this issue as I do not have a current subscription to BSJ.
 
Despite being so terribly underpaid, Brady has managed to make more money in the NFL than any player in history not named Manning, somewhere around 210-215 million. Not including this season.
Pretty misleading point when you factor in how many years it's taken him to do it and how fast he'll be caught with the size of the contracts being dealt out recently.
 
Pretty misleading point when you factor in how many years it's taken him to do it and how fast he'll be caught with the size of the contracts being dealt out recently.

If you take total career earnings and divide that by seasons played Brady isn't even in the top 10.

Brady has earned an average of 10.9 million per season.

Peyton - 13.8
Eli - 15.6
Brees - 11.4
Flacco - 13.6
Bradford - 14.3
Rivers -- 13.3
Palmer - 11.6
Ben - 12.1
Stafford - 17.9
Ryan - 14.9
Romo - 13.6
Newton - 12.7
Luck - 13.1
 
Belichick would not have the capacity to be both ruthless and successful without Brady. There have been a number of Patriots teams with glaring, debilitating weaknesses that were covered for by Brady.

I suspect with a slightly lesser QB Belichick has at least a few 8-8 records on his resume with the Pats.
Does anyone else not remember that BB was 5-13 when Brady took over?

That roster was very pedestrian in the 2001 season. Does BB even last past 2001 season had Brady not played?

As much as I love the Pats, you’ve got it admit, that team was one of the worst Super Bowl winners in history.

Brady is not a “system” QB and He accelerated the rebuilding process with the Pats. Had he not played the way he did, I don’t think BB would be the coach past year 3.

So yes, I agree with what you’re saying.

One could very easily argue that Brady has made Belichick's job among the easiest in the NFL. You put the GOAT QB on any team and then have them be willing to take a pay cut to allow the rest of the team to be competitive in the salary cap era, and it will create success wherever he goes.
Tom Brady is the most unique player in sports history. I would love to know why he left so much money on the table? The answer may be obvious, but you’re taking a huge risk that your organization is going to have the capability of putting a competitive team together year after year.

After 2003, Brady really could’ve taken the Patriots to the cleaners and would’ve been the highest paid quarterback in history every year.

I got absolutely blasted on another thread for bringing this up, but I agree with you that Brady has made BB’s job much easier.

Players and coaches go hand-in-hand. Good coaching will elevate good players. Bad coaching will expose good players. Here’s a couple good examples:

Troy Aikman admitted that when Jimmy Johnson left, Barry Switzer’s coaching style dragged the team down. He also admitted they were getting older but felt Switzer was pretty worthless.

The Lakers in the late 90’s were extremely talented. But because of poor coaching, they kept losing to inferior teams like the Utah Jazz (twice) in the playoffs and to the Spurs in 1999. Enter Phil Jackson, and they win three straight titles. Del Harris only survived so long with the Lakers because of their talent alone. They were able to mask his coaching deficiencies.

Phil Jackson’s system only works with very good players who are very smart. He tried to run the system in New York with Derek Fisher but failed miserably because the players were not very good.

I totally disagree when people say the Brady is a “system” quarterback when the “system” has changed throughout the years.

How does a player morph from a run-pass balanced system to dropping back 50 times a game? Only a handful quarterbacks in NFL history have been able to do that effectively. But Brady is the best at it.

You could argue he is the co offensive coordinator for the team. Not too many players have the ability to run an offense at the line of scrimmage.

You need to be a good player to execute any coaches system. Aside from Michael Jordan, Brady has been able to do that better than any player in sports history.

And players definitely have their say on how they want to run the system, they are not robots.

Just look at film during the 2001 season and you’ll see Brady talking to Bledsoe on the sidelines talking about what plays he likes and doesn’t like.

BB is obviously a very good coach. But with any coach, you need to have players that are good enough to execute your system. He just ended up finding the best quarterback in NFL history.
 
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Every thread descends into the abyss of would BB be as successful if he did not choose to replace Bledsoe with Brady?? Usually resulting in some sort of conclusion that BB would not have survived as the HC of the NEPATS, he would have been "pedestrian"... while ignoring the fact that most GM's agree that BB is probably the best GM in the NFL...

The brilliance of BB is that he played to the strengths of his team.. he knew that with Brady he would build a team around him. No one will ever know, despite rampant speculation, how well he would have done without #12... no one will ever know what he would have done without #12...

Here is something to ponder every Superbowl win by a Parcells team had BB as D coordinator.. would have Parcells legacy been as great without BB???

Enjoy the ride folks and avoid sportstalk radio, it will lead you down a precarious path of conspiracy, hyperbole, suspicion and speculation..
 
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Every thread descends into the abyss of would BB be as successful if he did not choose to replace Bledsoe with Brady?? Usually resulting in some sort of conclusion that BB would not have survived as the HC of the NEPATS, he would have been "pedestrian"... while ignoring the fact that most GM's agree that BB is probably the best GM in the NFL...

The brilliance of BB is that he played to the strengths of his team.. he knew that with Brady he would build a team around him. No one will ever know, despite rampant speculation, how well he would have done without #12... no one will ever know what he would have done without #12...

Here is something to ponder every Superbowl win by a Parcells team had BB as D coordinator.. would have Parcells legacy been as great without BB???

Enjoy the ride folks and avoid sportstalk radio, it will lead you down a precarious path of conspiracy, hyperbole, suspicion and speculation..

BB is the best coach in NFL history. He has no peer. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted. However, his job has been made light years easier by Brady. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted either.
 
Actually, he's not. Cooks is a receiver that just caught 65 balls for over 1,000 yards and 7 scores in an offense in which one could make the argument that he was limited. The market rate for his position is what he got but in the end, he still hauled in 10 football fields worth of yards for his squad and his skills are actively sought after in this league. The Patriots sought those skills themselves just a year ago and gave up capital to do so. The Patriots, however, had their own value system and, even though he's still one of the more physically talented wideouts in the league, they let him go. He makes my point that, with this team specifically, talent level does not always come into play with value. So if you're talking about playing ability or talent level on the field, you should specify that in the future.

You are mentioning his stats as if they make him any less of a disappointment based on what they thought they were getting when they traded for him. Go back and read the interviews around camp time or listen to guys like Chatham say. Everyone was waiting for Josh to let Cooks wild much like the Steelers are using Brown. But they quickly realized during the first part of the season that he is simply not that versatile.

This tanked his value in the Pats system and that is the reason he is gone. So your assumption that they sought after those skills is totally wrong. They thought they were getting someone considerably more versatile. It was one of the bigger scouting errors of BBs stay here and only salvaged because the Rams gave up so much.

The problem is, as I've pointed out, that you never originally made it clear that you were talking about any scenario in which is play slipped or begins slipping. Nobody that's being reasonable would have gotten that out of your OP. You either failed to clarify it before or you're moving the goal posts now.

If you don't realize that the performance of a player is part of how you determine if he is considered value on a contract then you should really read up on a lot of football 101. This is fundamental stuff that you are apparently missing.

With coming off of the season and Super Bowl he'd just had, you'd be out of your mind to believe that it wouldn't. But he didn't. And that's the point that we keep coming back to. He's taken these pay cuts while continuing to perform at a high level and he's doing it solely for the benefit of the team. It hasn't, to date, been a "value" play to guard against the "ruthless" Bill Belichick from moving on from him.

He was coming off losing in the AFCCG against the Broncos when he signed that extension. And again you are again using hindsight to say he is taking pay cuts while performing at historic levels when those were things you just didn't know with any certainty going into the 2016 season. Considering he was almost 40 and a young JG was knocking on his door he wouldn't even have the necessary leverage to ask for more money. If he asks for 30 the Pats just do nothing and play out the previous contract that was still going for a while which gives them an even clearer transition path to JG and more leverage.

Again you need to think things through from a big picture instead of just thinking Brady is some demi god who can ask for whatever he wants.
 
Bullsh*t. Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and has maintained that level of play for almost 2 decades. Someone would have figured this out eventually and given him a shot.
Not as laughable as suggesting that one single man is the difference between Brady being the greatest QB of all time and selling cars somewhere.

Brady may not have had the same level of success without Belichick’s, but he wouldn’t be some 9 to 5er. We will never know what Brady would be without Belichick, but we have 6 years of seeing Belichick without Brady. He had all of 1 playoff victory in there.

You are missing the reason why I overexaggerated about Brady selling cars. It was my response to him saying BB would be an average coach without Brady which is similarly laughable.

And for some reason people bring up BBs past in Cleveland but then don't bring up that Brady could not even win a starting job at Michigan against poor competition.

Guess what ? People learn and grow. Neither BB in Cleveland nor Brady in Michigan or at the very start of his tenure with the Pats were in any shape or form the polished versions of themselves they are now.

Nobody is claiming that BB made Brady but at the same time I don't see why anyone should think the opposite either. It is a synergetic relationship where Brady benefits a lot from the culture, mindset and offensive schemes that BB has set up in NE and BB obviously benefits from having a generational decisionmaker at the most crucial position in this sport.
 
BB is the best coach in NFL history. He has no peer. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted. However, his job has been made light years easier by Brady. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted either.

Without Brady, Belichick would have made the team competitive but not dynasty material. Enter Brady...
 
You are mentioning his stats as if they make him any less of a disappointment based on what they thought they were getting when they traded for him. Go back and read the interviews around camp time or listen to guys like Chatham say. Everyone was waiting for Josh to let Cooks wild much like the Steelers are using Brown. But they quickly realized during the first part of the season that he is simply not that versatile.

This tanked his value in the Pats system and that is the reason he is gone. So your assumption that they sought after those skills is totally wrong. They thought they were getting someone considerably more versatile. It was one of the bigger scouting errors of BBs stay here and only salvaged because the Rams gave up so much.

You mean the guy that was so much of a disappointment that reports surfaced that they were ultimately talking about a new contract with him after the season but had him valued differently based on their own principles? Yeah, that guy can still get it done on the field. He carries with him a skillset that other teams actively pursue. So no, your counter argument here doesn't work. If you don't want Cooks, there is a laundry list of other players that the Patriots let go that could still get it done on the field (even if for another couple or few years) that we can go with.

If you don't realize that the performance of a player is part of how you determine if he is considered value on a contract then you should really read up on a lot of football 101. This is fundamental stuff that you are apparently missing.

But it really isn't. For multiple reasons. Only one of which being that the Patriots have their own market value at several positions and have shown that in the past. Another reason being that Brady could have and could still demand market value for his position and the contract would still be a value one... at age 41.

He was coming off losing in the AFCCG against the Broncos when he signed that extension. And again you are again using hindsight to say he is taking pay cuts while performing at historic levels when those were things you just didn't know with any certainty going into the 2016 season. Considering he was almost 40 and a young JG was knocking on his door he wouldn't even have the necessary leverage to ask for more money. If he asks for 30 the Pats just do nothing and play out the previous contract that was still going for a while which gives them an even clearer transition path to JG and more leverage.

No, its not hindsight at all. It's common sense. He was coming off a season in which he missed 4 games and yet still threw for over 3,500 yards while posting a 28-2 TD/INT ratio and a 112.2 QB rating. Then he came off of a historic comeback in the Super Bowl. There was absolutely zero signs that his play slowed down. He could have demanded what the market set for his position and the team still would have been in a disastrous decision to either pay him (they would have) or move on (and BB would have been rightly ostracized by the region). But, again, he made BB's life easier just like he's done throughout his entire career. He took less. Turns out he could still play. As we sit here today, the guy can still play. There is absolutely nothing about how last season turned out that indicates that his play is slowing down. So even the going market rate for the position would have been a bargain for Tom Brady at age 40.

Again you need to think things through from a big picture instead of just thinking Brady is some demi god who can ask for whatever he wants.

I am thinking about things from a big picture perspective. Brady isn't a demi-god, but he's been the reason the wheels on this empire have turned. He's made BB's job among the easiest, if not the easiest, in the NFL. Without him taking these pay cuts, we don't have the Super Bowl appearances nor the championships we have. If I can turn the tide on you since you seem to want to take a potshot at me with the "demi-god" comment, you need to practice logic here because there's nothing wrong with what I'm saying. You should get over this feeling of the hair standing up on the back of your neck whenever someone on here says something remotely critical Bill. You come off as a fan of the man in the hoodie before being a fan of the laundry.
 
this entire thread and 0.99c gets you a cup of coffee at cumby's

lol......he's so awesome he only took $200M.....

the organization put him in position to be famous and marry a chick twice as rich as him
 
You are mentioning his stats as if they make him any less of a disappointment based on what they thought they were getting when they traded for him. Go back and read the interviews around camp time or listen to guys like Chatham say. Everyone was waiting for Josh to let Cooks wild much like the Steelers are using Brown. But they quickly realized during the first part of the season that he is simply not that versatile.

This tanked his value in the Pats system and that is the reason he is gone. So your assumption that they sought after those skills is totally wrong. They thought they were getting someone considerably more versatile. It was one of the bigger scouting errors of BBs stay here and only salvaged because the Rams gave up so much.



If you don't realize that the performance of a player is part of how you determine if he is considered value on a contract then you should really read up on a lot of football 101. This is fundamental stuff that you are apparently missing.



He was coming off losing in the AFCCG against the Broncos when he signed that extension. And again you are again using hindsight to say he is taking pay cuts while performing at historic levels when those were things you just didn't know with any certainty going into the 2016 season. Considering he was almost 40 and a young JG was knocking on his door he wouldn't even have the necessary leverage to ask for more money. If he asks for 30 the Pats just do nothing and play out the previous contract that was still going for a while which gives them an even clearer transition path to JG and more leverage.

Again you need to think things through from a big picture instead of just thinking Brady is some demi god who can ask for whatever he wants.
He said Brady was continuing to play at a high level, not historic levels. And coming off a loss in the a AFCCG? You put it like that to devalue him, like how dare he not take less money or something after losing that game....
Like it was all his fault and that's why he lost his leverage. Well I remember that game and I remember him driving the team down the field under constant pressure to score what would have been a tie if it weren't for a missed extra point earlier in the game. He played more than well enough to win in that game......and just not knowing with any certainty how he'd do going into the 2016 season? Jimmy at his heals? How certain could anyone be on how good he'd be going into the 2016 season? Well history shows he was very good for a game and a half, but he couldn't stay on the field. Meanwhile the 39 yr old did and he indeed played at historic levels. Then the 40 yr old played at even greater historic levels the next yr. Now I agree it would be crazy to sign him to some of these long range highest paid player deals we're seeing lately but to suggest that he's been playing for less because he knows that's all he's worth is wrong. MVP of the league and the players voted him the best player....the best player, not just the best quarterback. Yeah that sounds like a guy that is taking less because he's lost his value.
 
BB is the best coach in NFL history. He has no peer. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted. However, his job has been made light years easier by Brady. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted either.

It may make it easier, however if there was no Brady does anyone believe that he have tried to find someone who may have similar qualities, either that or he may have changed his defensive philosophy... not sure how many remember the brouhaha when Brady replaced Bledsoe.. that recognition alone is noteworthy...
 
It also goes to show that the mythical "Patriot Way" is really just "draft the greatest QB of all time in the 6th round, who happens to be the consummate team-first player and is willing to sacrifice tens of millions of dollars to stay in NE."

In other words, it's not an organizational philosophy which will not be terribly easy to duplicate - either by NE's rivals or by NE themselves when the time comes.

To be fair, it's more like
who happens to be the consummate team-first player and happens to be married to the wealthiest spouse in NFL history and thus realizes that, because wins and rings matter more to him than dollars, he can afford to sacrifice tens of millions of dollars to stay in NE.
 
Well history shows he was very good for a game and a half, but he couldn't stay on the field.

Obligatory reminder: A single freak injury suffered against a team that managed to knock at least a half-dozen QBs out of games does not mean "he couldn't stay on the field."
 
this entire thread and 0.99c gets you a cup of coffee at cumby's

lol......he's so awesome he only took $200M.....

the organization put him in position to be famous and marry a chick twice as rich as him

I...gotta say you're right here.
 
Obligatory reminder: A single freak injury suffered against a team that managed to knock at least a half-dozen QBs out of games does not mean "he couldn't stay on the field."
Well, I'm not sure how freak it was. His style of play might make him more susceptible to it. I only brought that up to illustrate the irony of suggesting that thei inevitable physical decline of an old guy would devalue him compared to the young guy Jimmy that was right at his heals. Of the two, who was the one that was more physically able to play?
 
Hard to marry rich when the indian equivalent of your fetid existence is FaceStopsClock..

It worked for John Kerry... twice.
 
1) It is disruptive to everyone to maximize by becoming a free agent every 4 years for their entire career. Few quarterbacks maximize in this way.

2) So, what we have is that Brady has signed contracts for $4M less than the top paying QB in the league for the past 15 years. I don't find that shocking or even unusual. Did anyone sign contracts every 4 years for the top of the QB money?

3) This argument would have been much more powerful and startling if Brady has signed his last extension for say $5M a year in a $20+M world.

BOTTOM LINE
Brady chose not to go into free agency every four years. Rather, he decide to sign extensions that were for a bit less than the very top in the league.

We are making a huge deal out of someone signing an extension for say $20M a year, when the top money is $24M. OK, it's been a great deal for the patriots. However, having stability and avoiding free agency could also be viewed as an OK deal for Brady. It may very well be worth $4M a year to him to stay with the same team, organization, city and coaching staff.
 
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