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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.What are your thoughts in regards to extending Brady, Miguel? I assume that some consideration will be given after this upcoming season, but that they could end up just waiting the entire 2 year period and then reassessing the situation. I think that could be the case with Gronk, as well.Doubt that Brady coming off a season-ending injury in 2008 would have matched Eli's deal in 2009. Hence, the one-year delay in extending him.
Pretty misleading point when you factor in how many years it's taken him to do it and how fast he'll be caught with the size of the contracts being dealt out recently.Despite being so terribly underpaid, Brady has managed to make more money in the NFL than any player in history not named Manning, somewhere around 210-215 million. Not including this season.
Pretty misleading point when you factor in how many years it's taken him to do it and how fast he'll be caught with the size of the contracts being dealt out recently.
Does anyone else not remember that BB was 5-13 when Brady took over?Belichick would not have the capacity to be both ruthless and successful without Brady. There have been a number of Patriots teams with glaring, debilitating weaknesses that were covered for by Brady.
I suspect with a slightly lesser QB Belichick has at least a few 8-8 records on his resume with the Pats.
Tom Brady is the most unique player in sports history. I would love to know why he left so much money on the table? The answer may be obvious, but you’re taking a huge risk that your organization is going to have the capability of putting a competitive team together year after year.One could very easily argue that Brady has made Belichick's job among the easiest in the NFL. You put the GOAT QB on any team and then have them be willing to take a pay cut to allow the rest of the team to be competitive in the salary cap era, and it will create success wherever he goes.
Every thread descends into the abyss of would BB be as successful if he did not choose to replace Bledsoe with Brady?? Usually resulting in some sort of conclusion that BB would not have survived as the HC of the NEPATS, he would have been "pedestrian"... while ignoring the fact that most GM's agree that BB is probably the best GM in the NFL...
The brilliance of BB is that he played to the strengths of his team.. he knew that with Brady he would build a team around him. No one will ever know, despite rampant speculation, how well he would have done without #12... no one will ever know what he would have done without #12...
Here is something to ponder every Superbowl win by a Parcells team had BB as D coordinator.. would have Parcells legacy been as great without BB???
Enjoy the ride folks and avoid sportstalk radio, it will lead you down a precarious path of conspiracy, hyperbole, suspicion and speculation..
Actually, he's not. Cooks is a receiver that just caught 65 balls for over 1,000 yards and 7 scores in an offense in which one could make the argument that he was limited. The market rate for his position is what he got but in the end, he still hauled in 10 football fields worth of yards for his squad and his skills are actively sought after in this league. The Patriots sought those skills themselves just a year ago and gave up capital to do so. The Patriots, however, had their own value system and, even though he's still one of the more physically talented wideouts in the league, they let him go. He makes my point that, with this team specifically, talent level does not always come into play with value. So if you're talking about playing ability or talent level on the field, you should specify that in the future.
The problem is, as I've pointed out, that you never originally made it clear that you were talking about any scenario in which is play slipped or begins slipping. Nobody that's being reasonable would have gotten that out of your OP. You either failed to clarify it before or you're moving the goal posts now.
With coming off of the season and Super Bowl he'd just had, you'd be out of your mind to believe that it wouldn't. But he didn't. And that's the point that we keep coming back to. He's taken these pay cuts while continuing to perform at a high level and he's doing it solely for the benefit of the team. It hasn't, to date, been a "value" play to guard against the "ruthless" Bill Belichick from moving on from him.
Bullsh*t. Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and has maintained that level of play for almost 2 decades. Someone would have figured this out eventually and given him a shot.
Not as laughable as suggesting that one single man is the difference between Brady being the greatest QB of all time and selling cars somewhere.
Brady may not have had the same level of success without Belichick’s, but he wouldn’t be some 9 to 5er. We will never know what Brady would be without Belichick, but we have 6 years of seeing Belichick without Brady. He had all of 1 playoff victory in there.
BB is the best coach in NFL history. He has no peer. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted. However, his job has been made light years easier by Brady. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted either.
You are mentioning his stats as if they make him any less of a disappointment based on what they thought they were getting when they traded for him. Go back and read the interviews around camp time or listen to guys like Chatham say. Everyone was waiting for Josh to let Cooks wild much like the Steelers are using Brown. But they quickly realized during the first part of the season that he is simply not that versatile.
This tanked his value in the Pats system and that is the reason he is gone. So your assumption that they sought after those skills is totally wrong. They thought they were getting someone considerably more versatile. It was one of the bigger scouting errors of BBs stay here and only salvaged because the Rams gave up so much.
If you don't realize that the performance of a player is part of how you determine if he is considered value on a contract then you should really read up on a lot of football 101. This is fundamental stuff that you are apparently missing.
He was coming off losing in the AFCCG against the Broncos when he signed that extension. And again you are again using hindsight to say he is taking pay cuts while performing at historic levels when those were things you just didn't know with any certainty going into the 2016 season. Considering he was almost 40 and a young JG was knocking on his door he wouldn't even have the necessary leverage to ask for more money. If he asks for 30 the Pats just do nothing and play out the previous contract that was still going for a while which gives them an even clearer transition path to JG and more leverage.
Again you need to think things through from a big picture instead of just thinking Brady is some demi god who can ask for whatever he wants.
He said Brady was continuing to play at a high level, not historic levels. And coming off a loss in the a AFCCG? You put it like that to devalue him, like how dare he not take less money or something after losing that game....You are mentioning his stats as if they make him any less of a disappointment based on what they thought they were getting when they traded for him. Go back and read the interviews around camp time or listen to guys like Chatham say. Everyone was waiting for Josh to let Cooks wild much like the Steelers are using Brown. But they quickly realized during the first part of the season that he is simply not that versatile.
This tanked his value in the Pats system and that is the reason he is gone. So your assumption that they sought after those skills is totally wrong. They thought they were getting someone considerably more versatile. It was one of the bigger scouting errors of BBs stay here and only salvaged because the Rams gave up so much.
If you don't realize that the performance of a player is part of how you determine if he is considered value on a contract then you should really read up on a lot of football 101. This is fundamental stuff that you are apparently missing.
He was coming off losing in the AFCCG against the Broncos when he signed that extension. And again you are again using hindsight to say he is taking pay cuts while performing at historic levels when those were things you just didn't know with any certainty going into the 2016 season. Considering he was almost 40 and a young JG was knocking on his door he wouldn't even have the necessary leverage to ask for more money. If he asks for 30 the Pats just do nothing and play out the previous contract that was still going for a while which gives them an even clearer transition path to JG and more leverage.
Again you need to think things through from a big picture instead of just thinking Brady is some demi god who can ask for whatever he wants.
BB is the best coach in NFL history. He has no peer. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted. However, his job has been made light years easier by Brady. That much cannot, and should not, be doubted either.
It also goes to show that the mythical "Patriot Way" is really just "draft the greatest QB of all time in the 6th round, who happens to be the consummate team-first player and is willing to sacrifice tens of millions of dollars to stay in NE."
In other words, it's not an organizational philosophy which will not be terribly easy to duplicate - either by NE's rivals or by NE themselves when the time comes.
who happens to be the consummate team-first player and happens to be married to the wealthiest spouse in NFL history and thus realizes that, because wins and rings matter more to him than dollars, he can afford to sacrifice tens of millions of dollars to stay in NE.
Well history shows he was very good for a game and a half, but he couldn't stay on the field.
this entire thread and 0.99c gets you a cup of coffee at cumby's
lol......he's so awesome he only took $200M.....
the organization put him in position to be famous and marry a chick twice as rich as him
Well, I'm not sure how freak it was. His style of play might make him more susceptible to it. I only brought that up to illustrate the irony of suggesting that thei inevitable physical decline of an old guy would devalue him compared to the young guy Jimmy that was right at his heals. Of the two, who was the one that was more physically able to play?Obligatory reminder: A single freak injury suffered against a team that managed to knock at least a half-dozen QBs out of games does not mean "he couldn't stay on the field."
Hard to marry rich when the indian equivalent of your fetid existence is FaceStopsClock..