PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots parting ways w/ Camren Williams, Director of College Scouting

[captain stone]

I’d almost say the seed has been planted for failure for Denver with the hiring just by going off some pretty bad drafts. However, wasn’t too high on Caserio either until he was able to step out of BB’s shadow. We’ll see how he does over there in Denver.

Little Nicky might've been one year away from unemployment if the idiot Panthers hadn't drafted a pocket-passing Midget ahead of him.

 

[upstater1]

I’m probably what some here would call a BB apologist. But even I think that BB ONLY gets a pass on Rd1 picks during the winning years. As a SB winner or finalist; it is the equivalent of picking 2 thru 7 plus an extra 7th each year. But even by using those degraded expectations; the draft outcomes the last 5-8 BB years were ‘below average’.

It is what it was. Sad that a coach who gave us so much, left feet first (so to speak).

But like I said, those are swing for the fences moves. Nothing explains, for instance, the drafting of Easley other than an attempt to hit it big at the end of the first round. And then to be so cavalier about trading a 1st for Brandin Cooks, a 2nd for Sanu, etc.

It was a veteran team and they were looking to max out their Super Bowl window by trading away the future. The QB was aged 37-42 during those years.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Little Nicky might've been one year away from unemployment if the idiot Panthers hadn't drafted a pocket-passing Midget ahead of him.

Agreed that a blind squirrel couldn’t of botched the 2nd and 3rd pick in the draft the way it landed. But I give credit where it’s due being able to acquire picks 2+3.

Nico Collins (89)Brevin Jordan (147)Derek Stingley Jr. (3)Kenyon Green (15)Jalen Pitre (37)Christian Harris (75)CJ Stroud (2)Will Anderson Jr. (3)Juice Scruggs (62)Tank Dell (69) Henry To’oTo’o (167) Jarrett Patterson (201)Kamari Lassiter (42)Calen Bullock (78) Cade Stover (123) all starters.

Add Jayden Higgins, Aireontae Ersery, Jaylin Noel, Jaylin Smith, Woody Marks and Jaylen Reed and you can see he’s one of the best in the league the last 4 or 5 years.

He doesn’t have to worry about being overruled because Bill’s golfing buddy from 1992 who happened to like lacrosse needed a favor to help justify his job and pathetic existence at a crummy college. It’s raining Rutgers hallelujah. Oh wait, it was Dirty Harry.

 

[patman52]

Apparently he’s taking a job with the Broncos, so this was likely a mutual parting for him to have another job real quickly.

The broncos Coash is a friend of bill.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

What did we do WRONG THIS YEAR?

 

[DaBruinz]

Does this mean we receive an extra 3rd-round draft pick next year? Sweet.

No. I believe that it only applies to coaches taking DC positions, a Coordinator taking a HC position or someone taking a GM position.

 

[Patriot Missile]

What did we do WRONG THIS YEAR?

Not much. Crushed free agency and the draft. Let’s see what happens?

 

[captain stone]

What did we do WRONG THIS YEAR?

Failed to sign either Cam Robinson or Jaylon Moore, for starters...

 

[goheels22002]

He had a lot of bad drafts. But on the other hand, drafting for a perennial Super Bowl team is very different from a draft witha. lot of early picks.

They are 2 entirely different things.

Plus getting several top draft picks taken away from you.

AND also trading premium draft picks for veterans to keep the Super Bowl run going.

The draft I judge him by are 2020 through 2023.

If you look at KC, you see a similar dynamic in play. They keep swinging for home runs and trading away draft picks for vets. But their bust rate, especially always picking 31 and 32, is pretty pretty high compared to the rest of the league.

Perennially good Super Bowl teams just have a different agenda in the draft. They always want to eek out one more Super Bowl.

So they will spend pick after pick on premium positions and their bust rate will be high.

Camren Williams became the College Scouting Director in 2022. He was the voice of that department for Christian Hernandez, Drake Maye, Pop Douglas, Keion White, Kayshon Boutte, the two tackles from last year (jury still out) and the 2025 Patriots draft that has everyone drooling. Camren did a good job during a short tenure. He was a low-level staffer before than under Belichick, Patricia, Judge and that crowd.

Camren Williams started with the Patriots in 2016 which means he was a staffer for three Super Bowls with the Patriots and watched the end of Brady's tenure. He could tell a great story.

My guess is that the Broncos took a look at the last two years and saw a talented guy caught in a coaching overhaul and hired him to get his insights into their draft room. Good luck to him.

 

[upstater1]

Camren Williams became the College Scouting Director in 2022. He was the voice of that department for Christian Hernandez, Drake Maye, Pop Douglas, Keion White, Kayshon Boutte, the two tackles from last year (jury still out) and the 2025 Patriots draft that has everyone drooling. Camren did a good job during a short tenure. He was a low-level staffer before than under Belichick, Patricia, Judge and that crowd.

Camren Williams started with the Patriots in 2016 which means he was a staffer for three Super Bowls with the Patriots and watched the end of Brady's tenure. He could tell a great story.

My guess is that the Broncos took a look at the last two years and saw a talented guy caught in a coaching overhaul and hired him to get his insights into their draft room. Good luck to him.

The recent hour long special from the Patriots certainly showed him in a good light. He seemed like the sharpest knife in the room and really the lead on practically everything.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The recent hour long special from the Patriots certainly showed him in a good light. He seemed like the sharpest knife in the room and really the lead on practically everything.

Maybe the Pats should have fired Groh, or moved him sideways, and promoted Williams?

 

[signbabybrady]

The recent hour long special from the Patriots certainly showed him in a good light. He seemed like the sharpest knife in the room and really the lead on practically everything.

What did he do? I just recall he was the one making the phone calls.

 

[upstater1]

What did he do? I just recall he was the one making the phone calls.

He was interviewed about scouting and draft strategy

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Why wouldn't Wolf be next? He's not a Vrabel guy and he's still showing that he's crappy at his job.

I would be surprised by that, but the Patriots are full of surprises. I don't think that last year's lame draft and FA period was Wolf's fault; I suspect that someone else (Bob Kraft?) was pulling the strings. I think that this year Vrabel put his foot down and told Bob to stop meddling. I think that his year is a better gauge of Wolf's abilities, and he really shined.

 

[captain stone]

Failed to sign either Cam Robinson or Jaylon Moore, for starters...

Forgot to mention that now-former LAR Joe Noteboom wasn't signed until After the draft, by the Murderer-Worshippers, who already had re-signed their starting LT on the eve of free agency... The injury-prone dude coulda still provided some quality-H2O competition for the Swing &/or #4 OT job vs VD Low, DTs Jacobs, and something or other called a Marcuss Bryant... If Membou couldn't beat out that stiff for the starting LT job at Missouri than I'm glad we didn't draft him either, at least if picking him came with the expectation that he would be switched to LT immediately...

 

[captain stone]

I would be surprised by that, but the Patriots are full of surprises. I don't think that last year's lame draft and FA period was Wolf's fault; I suspect that someone else (Bob Kraft?) was pulling the strings. I think that this year Vrabel put his foot down and told Bob to stop meddling. I think that his year is a better gauge of Wolf's abilities, and he really shined.

Surely you can't be serious.

 

[TommyD4207]

I would be surprised by that, but the Patriots are full of surprises. I don't think that last year's lame draft and FA period was Wolf's fault; I suspect that someone else (Bob Kraft?) was pulling the strings. I think that this year Vrabel put his foot down and told Bob to stop meddling. I think that his year is a better gauge of Wolf's abilities, and he really shined.

Yes, he was awesome at answering the phone and asking the other GMs if they wouldn't mind holding on for a minute while he asks his bosses what to do.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Failed to sign either Cam Robinson or Jaylon Moore, for starters...

Good for him. I would have fired him for signing either of them. Cam Robinson is a fat lazy pressure machine. The only reason to sign him would be if they wanted to end Mayes career this year.. criticizing a guy for not signing ****ty players is as stupid as it gets.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes, he was awesome at answering the phone and asking the other GMs if they wouldn't mind holding on for a minute while he asks his bosses what to do.

It was Wolf’s player evaluation system that they used, and Cowden is on record that the work that went into this draft started 18 months before it, and Vrabel, Cowden, and Streicher were only there for 3 months. You can hate Wolf all you want but pretending he’s just a secretary is stupid. I could respond by saying Cowden and Streicher didn’t do anything, but that would be just as stupid. The fact is that the front office as a whole had a great offseason, and trying to parse who did or said what, when we have absolutely no idea who did so is, once again, stupid.

Wolf Admits Patriots Have Shifted Draft Grading System to Packers’ Method​

Wolf says system provides a 'clearer' view of things moving forward.​

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February 27, 2024 at 4:57 pm ET


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One other interesting takeaway from Tuesday’s press conference with Eliot Wolfis the fact that when it comes to the grading system the team is using, Wolf admitted that there was one key change that made things a little different moving forward for the Patriots.

According to Wolf, the previous Patriots system was more nuanced and more “role-based,” whereas Wolf told reporters that their new system is more of an overall view in terms of a player’s skillset, which is similar to how they did things during his time with the Packers.

“We changed the grading system. It’s a little bit more similar to what we did in Green Bay,” explained Wolf. “The previous Patriots system was more, ‘this is what the role is,’ and this is more, kind of, value-based. So I think it makes it a lot easier for scouts to rate guys and put them in a stack of like, ‘this guy’s the best,’ ‘this guy’s the worst,’ and everything in-between falls into place rather than sort of more nuanced approaches.

“I just think it accounts value better, and it also makes it easier for the scouts in the fall as well as in the spring to determine where guys will get drafted.”

That essentially provides a little clearer overhead view of things, as opposed to trying to look for certain traits that may or may not be effective.

Wolf went on to explain that the overall view still accounts for things like players who are a perimeter receiver, slot receiver, not just an overall view as an athlete. However, he simply pointed out that it’s not quite as specific as how things were viewed previously.

“I mean, we’ll still have slot receivers, perimeter receivers, things like that,” said Wolf. “To me, it’s a little bit less about the grading system and more about the process that we’ve put in place.”

Player development was also something he pointed out as a point of emphasis, which could signal that we’ll see the younger guys seeing action a little sooner than we may have seen them in the past.

“I think there’s going to be a little bit more reliance on playing young players,” said Wolf. “I think it’s really important in today’s football to be able to play young players and develop from within.”

(EDITOR’S NOTE: The above appeared in a recent notebook column here.)

 

[The Gr8est]

Good for him. I would have fired him for signing either of them. Cam Robinson is a fat lazy pressure machine. The only reason to sign him would be if they wanted to end Mayes career this year.. criticizing a guy for not signing ****ty players is as stupid as it gets.

No one else seemed in a hurry to sign Cam Robinson either.